Two Suns seen yet again

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 10:22:21 AM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 10:23:18 AM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
So is throwing a label on something without having the proper data to back it up.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 10:35:48 AM »
Do you have some sort of point to make here?
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 10:37:27 AM »
Looks like a NASA spyplane exploding in mid air to me. The "two suns" is a coverup designed by NASA to distract us.

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 10:41:59 AM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
So is throwing a label on something without having the proper data to back it up.

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What's going on? Life's Little Mysteries asked Jim Kaler, the University of Illinois astronomer who squelched the excitement over the aforementioned exploding Betelgeuse and who has written books on the day and night sky. The double sun image is an effect of optical refraction, he said, but it's a "pretty darn rare" one, and one not fully explained by science.

"I doubt it's been computer modeled," Kaler said. "There must have been some blob of atmosphere somewhere that caused this truly spectacular phenomenon, which in a sense is a mirage."

Not fully explained, but it is partially explained. Thread close time?
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 10:55:51 AM »
With as polluted as the air is in some parts of China, I'm not at all surprised that they're seeing weird things in the sky over there.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 10:59:16 AM »
That looks like two balloons.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 01:28:59 PM »
what does this have to do with disc earth theory?

please Master Lord Willmire, move this thread.

Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 01:53:31 PM »
Two suns eh? Flat Earth victory.  8)

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 05:42:31 PM »
thats cool ive never heard of that before

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 06:09:43 PM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
So is throwing a label on something without having the proper data to back it up.
You mean like how you do everyday? But I guess that's irrelevant. Still you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
Clearly the one on the right is a mirage. This isn't a new phenomena. If it wasn't a mirage, people all over the world would have seen it, not just in one spot. So the two idea's are A) the atmosphere made another sun appear for one location on the globe, or B) the atmosphere hid the second sun for everywhere else on the globe. I'll take the former



And as for everyone else, I sincerely hope you all realize that if their where actually two sun's more than a handful would have seen it, and in multiple locations. It's a key characteristic that mirages are one location/time/vantage point events.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 08:20:20 PM »
Isn't just posting a link considered low-content posting?
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 09:06:23 PM »
That would depend on the content of that link.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 09:14:05 PM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
So is throwing a label on something without having the proper data to back it up.
You mean like how you do everyday? But I guess that's irrelevant. Still you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
I didn't but you are about to:
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Clearly the one on the right is a mirage.
Told you.

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This isn't a new phenomena. If it wasn't a mirage, people all over the world would have seen it, not just in one spot. So the two idea's are A) the atmosphere made another sun appear for one location on the globe, or B) the atmosphere hid the second sun for everywhere else on the globe. I'll take the former
This does not logically follow and you know it.  You also falsely ascribe only two hypothesis without seeing proper data to back up either.  Scientific method fails again?  perhaps.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 09:15:24 PM »
With as polluted as the air is in some parts of China, I'm not at all surprised that they're seeing weird things in the sky over there.
True but similar accounts near China predate their pollution.  I brought up a similar instance in the past with a navy higher officer sighting the same thing only to be called crazy.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 09:17:27 PM »
Its easy to say this isn't flat earth supportive, but its not easy to say "this is so and so" without having any real data to back that up.  That is a disgrace to yourselves as globularists, and as humans.

The appropriate response here for a  zeteticist should be:

Thats really cool;  I wonder what does that.  Lets gather data.  Not "thats really cool;  I bet fairies did it/god did it/its atmospheric"
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 09:35:45 PM »
Its easy to say this isn't flat earth supportive, but its not easy to say "this is so and so" without having any real data to back that up.  That is a disgrace to yourselves as globularists, and as humans.

The appropriate response here for a  zeteticist should be:

Thats really cool;  I wonder what does that.  Lets gather data.  Not "thats really cool;  I bet fairies did it/god did it/its atmospheric"

How do you propose to gather data about such a rare phenomenon?
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 10:44:50 PM »
Do you have some sort of point to make here?
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2011, 12:23:16 AM »
Its easy to say this isn't flat earth supportive, but its not easy to say "this is so and so" without having any real data to back that up.  That is a disgrace to yourselves as globularists, and as humans.

The appropriate response here for a  zeteticist should be:

Thats really cool;  I wonder what does that.  Lets gather data.  Not "thats really cool;  I bet fairies did it/god did it/its atmospheric"

How do you propose to gather data about such a rare phenomenon?

As the scientist suggested in the link, use computer models.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2011, 12:51:40 AM »
Or just take your sweet time. Our civilisation didn't rise in a matter of weeks (at least not according to conventional history).
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2011, 02:50:29 AM »
Thats really cool;  I wonder what does that.  Lets gather data.  Not "thats really cool;  I bet fairies did it/god did it/its atmospheric"

That's the scientific method, why do you think they say they can't fully explain it? They can speculate i.e. atmospheric properties etc... but without evidence to back up those claims it's still just speculation.




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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 06:57:45 AM »
There are many celestial bodies all about the place. It is fascinating to see them in this manner.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 08:32:49 AM »
There are many celestial bodies all about the place. It is fascinating to see them in this manner.
There are many examples of....well...the sun, and the moon....hmmm...I cannot think of any celestial bodies that are that big other than those two.

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2011, 09:00:40 AM »
There are many celestial bodies all about the place. It is fascinating to see them in this manner.
There are many examples of....well...the sun, and the moon....hmmm...I cannot think of any celestial bodies that are that big other than those two.
Or shine as brightly.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2011, 09:25:16 AM »
There are many celestial bodies all about the place. It is fascinating to see them in this manner.
There are many examples of....well...the sun, and the moon....hmmm...I cannot think of any celestial bodies that are that big other than those two.
Or shine as brightly.
Another good point.

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2011, 02:15:10 PM »
Atmospheric phenomenon are awesome.
So is throwing a label on something without having the proper data to back it up.
You mean like how you do everyday? But I guess that's irrelevant. Still you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
I didn't but you are about to:
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Clearly the one on the right is a mirage.
Told you.

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This isn't a new phenomena. If it wasn't a mirage, people all over the world would have seen it, not just in one spot. So the two idea's are A) the atmosphere made another sun appear for one location on the globe, or B) the atmosphere hid the second sun for everywhere else on the globe. I'll take the former
This does not logically follow and you know it.  You also falsely ascribe only two hypothesis without seeing proper data to back up either.  Scientific method fails again?  perhaps.
It does, and you haven't shown that it doesn't. Those are not hypotheses, but postulates. Not understanding SM doesn't mean its false. This is only evidence to my previous claim that you either don't understand SM, or are purposefully confusing it to prove points.

How can two suns exist, if they are only seen in one location at one time?
Two explanations go as follows:
A) There is one sun. But once in a while in one location and in one moment, the atmosphere made it appear as though there are two.
B) There are two suns. Every moment and location besides this and similar sightings, something like the atmosphere is hiding the second sun.

Obviously if there is a second sun and nothing is hiding it, it should be visible from somewhere and sometime that is not the few locations and times that it has been. Namely, drawing a vector from the x,y point of the sun (theta, phi for RE), to the point on the earth, there should be a location on that vector*-1 where the two suns are.

My only assumptions were the known laws of optics. Never did I use the idea that there is one sun, to show that it was one sun.

Of course both A) and B) are possible, but A) is a simpler explanation, is more likely from a probability standpoint. It's far more likely that the Sun appeared do to atmospheric effects, in a few isolated incidents, than for it to have been hidden for the rest of the times and locations.

As a scientist you should pick the most likely conclusion based on the data, not the least likely one. My hypothesis may have been that there is one Sun, but I only used the fact that we normally SEE one Sun to show it. There is a difference. This is another case, like many past, where someone here has claimed that Zeteticism is better than SM with the help of lies and/or logical fallacies.
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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2011, 04:08:37 PM »
Perhaps the sun divides sometimes like an egg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_yolk#Double-yolk_eggs

I can see no reason why the same process would not apply to the sun.

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Re: Two Suns seen yet again
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2011, 08:27:07 PM »
Perhaps the sun divides sometimes like an egg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_yolk#Double-yolk_eggs

I can see no reason why the same process would not apply to the sun.

perhaps because the Sun is not an egg