Fireworks on the Moon

  • 103 Replies
  • 31487 Views
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2006, 05:42:24 PM »
"Humble Sciencist made up this 70 km/s"

O-o-oh!!!!! What a shame!!!!!

Well, where, where, where did I get this 70 km/s? How I could be so deceiving???

THIS is the source:

"The thing was only weighed a couple tons and was only moving about 70 Km per second when it hit the ground. The crater it left was only supposed to be a dozen or so meters wide."

Guess who posted this truthful information?

Surprisingly, it was...  Max Fagin.

Look here:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46494&sid=240a708b0717a559730993509daedccd#46494

So, who "made up this 70 km/s"?

"Thanks for catching the fact that Humble_Scientist said 70 km per second, I think we can agree that's wrong. "

Nice.

"Small advice to Max Fagin: in your place, I would verify any numbers given by FE, as they are often notoriously incorrect (to say at least)."

Lovely, isn't it?
"It is not necessary that hypotheses should be true, or even probable; it is sufficient that they lead to results of calculation which agree with calculation".
Copernicus

*

TheEngineer

  • Planar Moderator
  • 15483
  • +0/-0
  • GPS does not require satellites.
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2006, 05:53:50 PM »
pwned.


"I haven't been wrong since 1961, when I thought I made a mistake."
        -- Bob Hudson

*

dysfunction

  • The Elder Ones
  • 2261
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2006, 06:02:25 PM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
pwned.


Wow, completely.
the cake is a lie

?

graphix72

  • 26
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2006, 07:34:07 PM »
Hahaha that's funny!  Great job, Humble!

*

Max Fagin

  • 695
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2006, 08:13:16 PM »
Your absolutely right, Humble_Scientist.  I take all the blame for the erroneous number.  I'm sorry I accused you of being the source of the error, and I'm also sorry that I didn't check my previous posts to see if I might have been the source of the mistake.  Again my apologies.

But ironically, there is a message here that is applicable to every debate on this forum.  What we just experienced was a perfect demonstration of why we developed the scientific method, and why it should be used in discussions of FE.  

It's simple really:
People make mistakes.

That's why the scientific method has been so successful at describing the world around us.  It realizes that everyone (Myself included) is capable of being incorrect.  To err is.

So the only way you avoid mistakes, or at least minimize the damage once you've made one, is to be skeptical.  And if something is wrong (like my statement about the velocity of SMART-1) it will be corrected very quickly (As Humble_Scientist did.)

If for example, Instead of the scientific method, I were to use the Zeteitc method that is promoted by so many FE'ers (See posts by user The_Earth_Does_Not_Exist for a good demonstration) I would not be admitting to my mistake.  I would instead be saying something along the lines of "I didn't say that, because I refuse to acknowledge the evidence."

So once again my apologies.  I will be much more careful in the future, and (Like any good scientist) I hope to be proven wrong many, many more times. (It's so much more exciting when you're incorrect.)
"The earth looks flat; therefore it is flat."
-Flat Earthers

"Triangle ABC looks isosceles; therefore . . ."
-3rd grade geometry student

*

Max Fagin

  • 695
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2006, 08:25:50 PM »
Oh, I see . . .
"The earth looks flat; therefore it is flat."
-Flat Earthers

"Triangle ABC looks isosceles; therefore . . ."
-3rd grade geometry student

?

graphix72

  • 26
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2006, 08:45:52 PM »
I love Saladfingers.

?

Rick_James

  • The Elder Ones
  • 4311
  • +0/-0
  • Rick <3 Gayer
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2006, 09:08:15 PM »
Quote from: "graphix72"
I love Saladfingers.


Same - I'll start a new thread so as not to derail this one. Carry on lads!

Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2006, 09:09:40 PM »
Atleast he's posting different images.

In any case, this is a prime example of someone overlooking information due to dogma.
ttp://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/search.php

"Against criticism a man can neither protest nor defend himself; he must act in spite of it, and then it will gradually yield to him." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

*

Max Fagin

  • 695
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2006, 09:25:15 PM »
Mephistopheles, are you refering to me?

If you are, I would like to point out that admitting when one is wrong is not a common trait among belivers of dogma. . .
"The earth looks flat; therefore it is flat."
-Flat Earthers

"Triangle ABC looks isosceles; therefore . . ."
-3rd grade geometry student

?

graphix72

  • 26
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2006, 10:22:39 PM »
Hey, the moon looks full tonight.  I wonder where that damn thing landed anyway. I wonder if it really is made of cheese and if there is a man inside. I hope the crash didn't kill him.

*

MaDeR

  • 73
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #101 on: September 08, 2006, 12:25:18 PM »
Quote from: "Humble_Scientist"

"The thing was only weighed a couple tons and was only moving about 70 Km per second when it hit the ground. The crater it left was only supposed to be a dozen or so meters wide."

Guess who posted this truthful information?

Surprisingly, it was...  Max Fagin.

Look here:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46494&sid=240a708b0717a559730993509daedccd#46494

Pwned, I agree. I don't check FIRST apperance of "70 km/s" in this thread.

Quote from: "Humble_Scientist"

"Small advice to Max Fagin: in your place, I would verify any numbers given by FE, as they are often notoriously incorrect (to say at least)."
Lovely, isn't it?

Looks like we all must verify anyone numbers. It is no end to this paranoia? ;)
ne side: hundreds years, hundred thousand sciencist looking for way to know Reality.
Second side: bunch of fudamentalist freaks waving their Holy Books.
Choose.

*

Max Fagin

  • 695
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2006, 09:01:46 PM »
I just want to start this topic back up now that die hard FE'ers like dogplatter seem to be posting again.

Doesn't SMART-1's impact seem to say that the space program isn't all a conspiracy, and imply less so that the moon is a sphere?
"The earth looks flat; therefore it is flat."
-Flat Earthers

"Triangle ABC looks isosceles; therefore . . ."
-3rd grade geometry student

?

graphix72

  • 26
  • +0/-0
Fireworks on the Moon
« Reply #103 on: September 10, 2006, 09:22:46 PM »
No.  You are just a figment of my imagination.  Go away.  Quit talking to me.