Eclipses

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Eclipses
« on: February 28, 2011, 06:24:41 AM »
Well if the subject wasn't clear enough, how do eclipses work in FET? I guess you could justify solar eclipses if the periods of the sun and moon are different and their heights are different too with the same radius. but lunar eclipses couldn't be accounted for.

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 07:31:45 AM »
During a lunar eclipse the moon shrimp go to the sun side of the moon to benefit from the suns rays. They "recharge" the algae that lives in their transparent carapace.

During a solar eclipse the sun is in front of the moon which casts a shadow on the earth. The behaviour of the moon shrimp at this point is unknown.


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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 09:51:57 AM »
So do the...shrimp arbitrarily decide to move to whichever side of the moon? And what do they live off of, being on a disc with no oxygen floating around in the sky

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 10:22:46 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 01:15:32 PM »
How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 02:16:35 PM »
How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?
  It is my belief that all the light originates from the surface of the moon. The sun is similar to a spotlight and all it's rays hit the earth.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 04:42:39 PM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
if they're "photodependant" why would the eclipses be abnormal, if anything they would be constant as the moonshrimp try to get closer to the sun. Also if the sun could be blocked out by a moon in a solar eclipse, then the sun would have to be above the sun, obviously, but if they are essentially disc shaped, how would the shrimp get their light from the sun at all?
Maybe my issue is more with these moonshrimp than anything, any chance i could get a explanation to what they are or how they work?

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 07:03:27 PM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2011, 02:39:52 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2011, 04:07:26 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

No it isn't. Bio-luminescent organisms are evolved to live without the sun. Hence why they grew their own lights. Also animal cells don't have chloroplasts.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 06:17:04 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2011, 07:01:00 AM »
How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?
  It is my belief that all the light originates from the surface of the moon. The sun is similar to a spotlight and all it's rays hit the earth.
I'm sorry but that is non responsive to the question so the original question remains. Is there any evidence that the light is originating from the moon instead of being reflected from the sun?

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 07:31:15 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

No it isn't. Bio-luminescent organisms are evolved to live without the sun. Hence why they grew their own lights. Also animal cells don't have chloroplasts.

I guess that it's more of a plant-like shrimp than a bacteria-like shrimp.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 07:41:11 AM »
How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?
  It is my belief that all the light originates from the surface of the moon. The sun is similar to a spotlight and all it's rays hit the earth.
I'm sorry but that is non responsive to the question so the original question remains. Is there any evidence that the light is originating from the moon instead of being reflected from the sun?

I see evidence of it every night I wear my sunglasses and gaze at the moon. It is quite beautiful!

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2011, 07:48:45 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2011, 07:53:46 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2011, 07:56:35 AM »
I see evidence of it every night I wear my sunglasses and gaze at the moon. It is quite beautiful!
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How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2011, 08:11:00 AM »
How do we distinguish the difference between light from moon shrimp and light reflecting off the surface of the moon?

James has had contact with the shrimp, and there are moonshrimp recipes.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2011, 08:12:42 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

Moon shrimp lack the manual dexterity to use, or insert, batteries. We must also remember that moon shrimp are very small and that there are no batteries available that would fit them. Not even AAA.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2011, 08:28:41 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

Moon shrimp lack the manual dexterity to use, or insert, batteries. We must also remember that moon shrimp are very small and that there are no batteries available that would fit them. Not even AAA.

Who suggested that moon shrimp might be battery powered?  ???
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2011, 08:30:50 AM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

Moon shrimp lack the manual dexterity to use, or insert, batteries. We must also remember that moon shrimp are very small and that there are no batteries available that would fit them. Not even AAA.

Who suggested that moon shrimp might be battery powered?  ???

You asked for the evidence to support the claim that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries and he gave that. Keep up please.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2011, 11:17:19 PM »
No moon shrimp are photodependent so follow the sun.
If the moon shrimp make their own light (bio- or sono-luminecently), then why would they need light from the sun?  ???

That's like asking "If a solar powered torch produces light why does it need the sun?"

That would depend on the purpose of the solar cells.  If the solar power is charging the torch's battery, that's one thing.  If the solar power is powering the bulb directly, however, then it would be quite useless.

I can assure you that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries.

All you ever seem to do is avoid the question and spout even more BS in its place.
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2011, 11:55:17 PM »
who says that moon shrimp are not all conductive! and they all transfer the battery power all throughout each other!

jk, but

i thought it was the antimoon
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2011, 12:19:51 AM »
The antimoon doesn't have moonshrimp.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2011, 10:44:30 AM »
You asked for the evidence to support the claim that moon shrimp are not powered by batteries and he gave that. Keep up please.

Although moon shrimp lacks the manual dexterity to insert batteries themselves, there exists another species on the moon called the anti-moonshrimp which possess semi-opposable thumbs. Thanks to that, this species is known to have extensive precision grip that helps them insert zinc-carbon based cell batteries in the moon shrimp's internal compartment, which then powers the moon shrimp when the sun is not directly shining on them.
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2011, 10:54:19 AM »
The antimoon doesn't have moonshrimp.

Yes. The shrimp on the antimoon must be powered by some other means, since as all scientists agree the anti moon cannot see the sun.

It could be some form of nuclear energy, or tiny black holes.

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2011, 12:08:01 PM »
The antimoon doesn't have moonshrimp.

Yes. The shrimp on the antimoon must be powered by some other means, since as all scientists agree the anti moon cannot see the sun.

It could be some form of nuclear energy, or tiny black holes.

Are you going to research the anti-moon shrimp (for lack of a better word) as extensively as the moonshrimp? I'm very impatient for the results, I think it should be able to answer some fundamental questions about eclipses.
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2011, 10:16:08 PM »
The antimoon doesn't have moonshrimp.

Yes. The shrimp on the antimoon must be powered by some other means, since as all scientists agree the anti moon cannot see the sun.

It could be some form of nuclear energy, or tiny black holes.

Oh look, more BS from Crust. Who woulda thunk it.
I said that they were answered.  I didn't say that they were answered correctly.

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2011, 06:21:28 AM »
Are you going to research the anti-moon shrimp (for lack of a better word) as extensively as the moonshrimp? I'm very impatient for the results, I think it should be able to answer some fundamental questions about eclipses.

At the moment we are a long way away from researching the anti-moon shrimp, largely due the heavy cutbacks imposed by our government. this kind if science rarely attracts funding as much as so called "cancer cures". However its safe to assume that anti-moon shrimp exist.