NASA

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:30:32 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:21:08 PM

And you continue to refuse to back up your allegation that the rock was presented as originating on the moon with facts.

Please read the thread. The Ex-US Ambassador who gave it to the Prime Minister said he was under the impression that it was from the moon.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45822.msg1145206#msg1145206

Those quotes don't say anything about the moon.

His quote "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK" implies that he believed it to be from the moon.

His quote "I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that" implies that he believed it to be the real deal.

One thing you really need to learn is that you saying something does not make that thing true.

One thing you really need to learn is that you saying something does not make that thing true.

I didn't say it. The Ex-US Ambassador who handed over the rock said it.

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considering the ammount of effort they go to keep the conspiracy alive wouldnt you think they would of thought about it? i think there has been a misunderstanding at some point because:
a: they wouldnt give it away so soon

You're assuming that they went to the moon and that the moon rocks are valuable.

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b: they guy they gave it to may of made some mistake

A mistake like stealing his own moon rock?

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c: when does the media get anything right!?

The media didn't give the Prime Minister a fake moon rock. NASA did.

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also why petrified wood anyway? wouldnt this be the most obvious thing to analise to see what  it was? surely if they was going to give any fake rocks they would be grey and look like a stereotypical moon rock?

No one is saying that NASA is hiring the brightest people here. Petrified wood is easily mistaken as an earth rock. It looks interesting, which is why they gave it to the Prime Minister.

NASA was claiming that moon rocks were identical in composition to earth rocks, so they likely figured that any old rock on the side of the road would do.

FAIL

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:44:58 PM

One thing you really need to learn is that you saying something does not make that thing true.

I didn't say it. The Ex-US Ambassador who handed over the rock said it.

You said that the rock was presented as a moon rock, the Ambassador did not.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:30:32 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:21:08 PM

And you continue to refuse to back up your allegation that the rock was presented as originating on the moon with facts.

Please read the thread. The Ex-US Ambassador who gave it to the Prime Minister said he was under the impression that it was from the moon.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45822.msg1145206#msg1145206

Those quotes don't say anything about the moon.

His quote "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK" implies that he believed it to be from the moon.

His quote "I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that" implies that he believed it to be the real deal.

implied doesnt mean they told him it was from the moon,  implied does not mean he didnt actually know that was a regular rock
i can say, he is stuck in bed due to health problems.  you can imply he is sick, but, he could have muscle dystrophy, he could be dead (a change in health) or he could be having health problems, such as being uable to support his own weight

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on February 27, 2011, 04:00:37 PM

Yes it does. It makes the picture appear longer. Magazines do stuff like this all the time. That's what you do if you want to manipulate a real photograph. Now if the landing was faked, they could just go back to their miniature studio, and snap another photo. Or go back to photo shop and add some more stuff. All this does is prove that the photo was manipulated, not that the original was a fake, or that all NASA photo's are faked

First of all it's from a book, not a magazine. Secondly, they don't "do it all the time".

Highlighted parts from the video: http://i52.tinypic.com/2vccg11.jpg

The RE excuse is that the publisher did it to "fill up empty space" or something like that. That doesn't fill up empty space. There's still a whole lot of empty space. Why would a publisher tamper with a NASA photograph like that? It makes no sense.

RE'er excuses are a dime a dozen. And bad ones at that.

airbrushing is normally used for retouching of photos

and if you take one person's account higher than all the other people, that is bad practice, especially for zeteticism.

if so, all the REers just say OH! LOOK Berny went to antarctica! there was no ice wall!

Quote from: squevil on February 27, 2011, 04:58:48 PM

dude that last post is BS.
"its a book not a magazine" lol. im pretty sure it wouldnt matter, thay are still printed on paper.
but like your link said why would NASA give out a moon rock after only having it for 2 months?

NASA would only be hesitant about giving it away if it they had really gone to the moon and the rocks were valuable.

However, as it's not from the moon it's not valuable. Hence why NASA would have no qualms about giving such things away.

sorry for triple post
you can give something valuble for something more valuable in return.  depends what you weigh them as
nasa could have given out rocks so the research of moon rocks can be sped up, and can be used by all nations in case they wished to plan their own moon mission
it can help them build alliances
it is for the greater good
nasa wants to share for other reasons

Any picture showing the earth as a globe is a fake.

The shuttle launches are real, but the shuttle missions are fake.

You don't take one moment to explain WHY they're fake. I fail to comprehend why they would be fake. I can sit down with my telescope and see other planets, even the sun, all of which are roundly shaped. Explain.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 09, 2011, 12:16:13 PM

Any picture showing the earth as a globe is a fake.

The shuttle launches are real, but the shuttle missions are fake.

You don't take one moment to explain WHY they're fake. I fail to comprehend why they would be fake. I can sit down with my telescope and see other planets, even the sun, all of which are roundly shaped. Explain.

You can also watch the video of the shuttle mission, as they enter space and then complete the mission. Not fakable.

Quote from: BasicPhysics on March 02, 2011, 03:11:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 09, 2011, 12:16:13 PM

Any picture showing the earth as a globe is a fake.

The shuttle launches are real, but the shuttle missions are fake.

You don't take one moment to explain WHY they're fake. I fail to comprehend why they would be fake. I can sit down with my telescope and see other planets, even the sun, all of which are roundly shaped. Explain.

You can also watch the video of the shuttle mission, as they enter space and then complete the mission. Not fakable.

You can also watch the video of Gandalf defending middle Earth and battling evil monsters. Not "fakable".

Quote from: One on March 02, 2011, 01:48:18 PM

Quote from: BasicPhysics on March 02, 2011, 03:11:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 09, 2011, 12:16:13 PM

Any picture showing the earth as a globe is a fake.

The shuttle launches are real, but the shuttle missions are fake.

You don't take one moment to explain WHY they're fake. I fail to comprehend why they would be fake. I can sit down with my telescope and see other planets, even the sun, all of which are roundly shaped. Explain.

You can also watch the video of the shuttle mission, as they enter space and then complete the mission. Not fakable.

You can also watch the video of Gandalf defending middle Earth and battling evil monsters. Not "fakable".

You need to stop using logical fallacies.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:37:56 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:30:32 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:21:08 PM

And you continue to refuse to back up your allegation that the rock was presented as originating on the moon with facts.

Please read the thread. The Ex-US Ambassador who gave it to the Prime Minister said he was under the impression that it was from the moon.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45822.msg1145206#msg1145206

Those quotes don't say anything about the moon.

His quote "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK" implies that he believed it to be from the moon.

His quote "I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that" implies that he believed it to be the real deal.

implied doesnt mean they told him it was from the moon,  implied does not mean he didnt actually know that was a regular rock
i can say, he is stuck in bed due to health problems.  you can imply he is sick, but, he could have muscle dystrophy, he could be dead (a change in health) or he could be having health problems, such as being uable to support his own weight

The ambassador's quotes I provided very clearly tell us that he believed the rock to be from the moon: "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK."

I don't recall NASA sending any astronauts to Mars or anywhere else to collect rock samples. The rock was given as part of the astronaut's welcome home tour after Apollo 11. It was obviously given as a moon rock.

Tom, stop making assumptions. If your arguments were math: they'd look something like this:

Transitive property:
A=B, therefore A=C

Reflexive property:
A=B

Symmetric property:
If A=B, then B=conspiracy.

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

Quote from: vhu9644 on March 01, 2011, 11:28:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:37:56 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 01, 2011, 04:30:32 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 01, 2011, 04:21:08 PM

And you continue to refuse to back up your allegation that the rock was presented as originating on the moon with facts.

Please read the thread. The Ex-US Ambassador who gave it to the Prime Minister said he was under the impression that it was from the moon.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45822.msg1145206#msg1145206

Those quotes don't say anything about the moon.

His quote "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK" implies that he believed it to be from the moon.

His quote "I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that" implies that he believed it to be the real deal.

implied doesnt mean they told him it was from the moon,  implied does not mean he didnt actually know that was a regular rock
i can say, he is stuck in bed due to health problems.  you can imply he is sick, but, he could have muscle dystrophy, he could be dead (a change in health) or he could be having health problems, such as being uable to support his own weight

The ambassador's quotes I provided very clearly tell us that he believed the rock to be from the moon: "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK."

I don't recall NASA sending any astronauts to Mars or anywhere else to collect rock samples. The rock was given as part of the astronaut's welcome home tour after Apollo 11. It was obviously given as a moon rock.

You're still making quite a leap there. Are you saying it is impossible for an (in your case theoretical) astronaut to give someone a gift that did not come from the moon?

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 07:16:52 PM

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

So you deny that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop?

Quote from: Tausami on March 02, 2011, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 07:16:52 PM

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

So you deny that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop?

Remind me again, what does the raindrop thing have to do with supporting any aspect of FET?

Quote from: Tausami on March 02, 2011, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 07:16:52 PM

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

So you deny that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop?

Is it the same raindrop though?

Berny
Thinks EG, Clocktower's overpowering Alt should release Clocktower from his prison.

Quote from: Tausami on March 02, 2011, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 07:16:52 PM

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

So you deny that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop?

yes we do deny it, becuase technically, inside that 1 last raindrops, it is 2 raindrop's worth of information, so technically, i could say your end resualt is worth two raindrops

I had kind of hoped markjo would be the one to start taking care of this shit when he started doing this.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 08:24:34 PM

Quote from: Tausami on March 02, 2011, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 02, 2011, 07:16:52 PM

The math you learned is most likely incorrect.

For example, there are many examples in nature where 1 + 1 = 1

Not from a scientific perspective. If you're thinking about the raindrop thing, it ends up with twice the mass, so technically 1+1=2.

So you deny that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop?

yes we do deny it, becuase technically, inside that 1 last raindrops, it is 2 raindrop's worth of information, so technically, i could say your end resualt is worth two raindrops

Let's not stray too far off topic.  This raindrop discussion is best left for another forum.

Let me tell you what happened in my country with the moon rocks.

As a political game, the Government of the USA gave our then President a moon rock covered in acrylic, which the President decided to use as a personal souvenir. When the opposing party saw this opportunity they made a big scandal out of the President having taken the rock, and it ended in some shelf in some governmental institution, having served no purpose at all. In fact, there is no way we can find out whether that rock really came from the moon, or to research anything at all from it. It is most probably contaminated anyhow.

This political gamesmanship is a way the government of the USA has tried to earn something from the useless rocks, nothing more. Nobody can really know if the rocks are real, so the story of somebody finding out that they are fake seems quite a bit suspicious. Did he receive it covered in acrylic? Did he remove the acrylic protection and contaminate the rock to find out if it was a fake? Did he crack the rock to see the uncontaminated interior?

My guess is that the recipient of the rock decided to make some publicity for himself, not caring whether the rock was good or fake. If he really had a legitimate scientific interest he would have gone to NASA and presented a project proposal. They are the ones who have the scientifically useful rocks from the moon.

By applying the idea that you should not base an observation on a preconceived idea.

Could the moon be made from wood?

so how does NASA being fake = Flat earth?  Also, is only our planet "flat"?  because I see other planets in the telescope and they seem pretty round to me, same with the moon...  Not to mention gravity wouldn't work the way it does if the earth was flat, in fact I'm pretty sure gravity itself wouldn't allow a flat/disc earth.  NASA has been to space, also there's NOTHING about them not going in space in the "controversy" section of NASA's wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA#Controversy , only that they are testing radiation on monkeys for deep space travel, but I guess you know why they're really doing that too.

so how does NASA being fake = Flat earth?  Also, is only our planet "flat"?  because I see other planets in the telescope and they seem pretty round to me, same with the moon...  Not to mention gravity wouldn't work the way it does if the earth was flat, in fact I'm pretty sure gravity itself wouldn't allow a flat/disc earth.  NASA has been to space, also there's NOTHING about them not going in space in the "controversy" section of NASA's wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA#Controversy , only that they are testing radiation on monkeys for deep space travel, but I guess you know why they're really doing that too.

may i?... yes i can...
please read the FAQ! the FES has some 'answers' to your questions there dude

what if the petrified wood had some meaning?
iron oxides mixed with maganese oxides or carbon are what makes petrified wood black and red (thats what it looks like to me, please dont ridicule me about this)
maybe they represent that the moon is like the earth in composition, except for no organic material
maybe they represent the materials used by nasa to make the lunar lander?
maybe they represent the blood of mankind? (iron oxide)

idk, it is not stated what it meant, and if it came from the moon