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Re: Tides
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2011, 01:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on March 07, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 05:33:44 AM
You're saying that the tides are caused by regular, uniform, predictable earthquakes?

Not at all. I'm just saying that earthquakes are evidence that the crust is subject to constant seismic activity, making it more likely that it is the crust moving than the ocean.

Is not "it is the crust moving than the ocean" equal to "earthquakes are responsible for tides"? 
Not necessarily;  the crust could bob without an earthquake in theory.

Then my main point still stands; Parsifal is claiming that regular, uniform, and predictable crustinator movements are the cause of tides.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2011, 02:37:08 PM »
Quote from: kstno1son on February 27, 2011, 12:45:02 AM
Tides comes in, tide goes out. Explain that.

Is the request for explaination directed at FET or RET?

Quote from: vhu9644 on February 27, 2011, 01:50:31 AM
this has been asked in a earlier thread
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=46038.0

Sorry... I couldn't get much past the first page before it turned into a massive cluster-F* of one side trying ot bash the other side... is there a better reference that clearly states the FET to explain tides?

I would suspect that the simplist explaination for FET would be most likely the most accurate, if I were to speculate, I'd probably guess that UA is not absolutely uniform on the Earth, and this causes a slight 'wobble' effect which can cause the water in the oceans to shift around the planet to adjust to this wobble.  But that would be a guess on my part as I'm more of a RE thinker than a FE thinker.  I deffer to the FE thinkers for a more concise explaination.

Quote from: Crustinator on February 27, 2011, 05:18:50 AM
Tides are caused by an alignment of moon shrimp and sea shrimp. It is now widely accepted among scientists that moon shrimp probably were once sea shrimp who reached the moon when the tides were a lot higher.

Ok... that just sounds totally made up... do you have any sources on this? ...because it sounds like it is total fiction/fantasy.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2011, 02:38:35 PM »
It has to do with Einsteins principle of the flexing of the Earth.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2011, 02:48:57 PM »
Quote from: Crustinator on March 05, 2011, 09:12:43 AM
Until you are able to provide evidence that moon shrimp do not exist we must assume that they do. It is the only rational course of action.

Until you are able to provide evidence that ____________ does not exist we must assume that it/they do. It is the only rational course of action....

A. Santa Claus
B. The Easter Bunny
C. The Tooth Fairy
D. Unicorns
E. etc....


There is a major flaw in that line of logic....
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Re: Tides
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2011, 05:44:00 PM »
Quote from: Oracle on March 07, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: Crustinator on February 27, 2011, 05:18:50 AM
Tides are caused by an alignment of moon shrimp and sea shrimp. It is now widely accepted among scientists that moon shrimp probably were once sea shrimp who reached the moon when the tides were a lot higher.

Ok... that just sounds totally made up... do you have any sources on this? ...because it sounds like it is total fiction/fantasy.

My appologies... I didn't realize this was a serious point of view... apparently there is more documentation on this that I have yet to discover on it... but in my own defense, it does sound incredibly bizarre and fantastical.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2011, 06:09:41 PM »
Quote from: Oracle on March 07, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: Oracle on March 07, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: Crustinator on February 27, 2011, 05:18:50 AM
Tides are caused by an alignment of moon shrimp and sea shrimp. It is now widely accepted among scientists that moon shrimp probably were once sea shrimp who reached the moon when the tides were a lot higher.

Ok... that just sounds totally made up... do you have any sources on this? ...because it sounds like it is total fiction/fantasy.

My appologies... I didn't realize this was a serious point of view... apparently there is more documentation on this that I have yet to discover on it... but in my own defense, it does sound incredibly bizarre and fantastical.
Don't bother listening to crustinator.  He's trying to take legitimate views of flat earthers and display them to appear more crazy than they actually are by invention of lies.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2011, 07:49:13 PM »
Moon shrimp are bs. 
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Re: Tides
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM »
As James notes he is talking about shrimp like bacteria.  I for one think that its quite likely there is bioluminescent life due to fortrean findings over the course of man kind.  However, to say they are shrimp like is somewhat against the samples we have seen of manna.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2011, 09:10:40 PM »
Are there any recipes calling for shrimp-like bacteria that will be cited as evidence of their existence?
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Re: Tides
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2011, 09:23:44 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
As James notes he is talking about shrimp like bacteria. 

Unfortunately, shrimp and bacteria are nothing alike.

Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
I for one think that its quite likely there is bioluminescent life due to fortrean findings over the course of man kind.  However, to say they are shrimp like is somewhat against the samples we have seen of manna.

Have any of the fortrean findings ever been determined to be bioluminescent life forms or been confirmed to come from the moon?
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Re: Tides
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2011, 12:44:47 AM »
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
Then my main point still stands; Parsifal is claiming that regular, uniform, and predictable crust movements are the cause of tides.

Correct. If that was your only point, congratulations on succeeding in repeating what I have already said.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2011, 03:03:32 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
As James notes he is talking about shrimp like bacteria.  I for one think that its quite likely there is bioluminescent life due to fortrean findings over the course of man kind.  However, to say they are shrimp like is somewhat against the samples we have seen of manna.

Crustinator's points seem much more credible than this shrimp like nonsense. It's either shirm or it isn't shrimp, bacteria are not even closely related to shrimp.
Not to forget that the anti-moon shrimp give a better explanation for the eclipses than the explanations provided so far.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2011, 03:26:35 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on March 07, 2011, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on March 07, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 05:33:44 AM
You're saying that the tides are caused by regular, uniform, predictable earthquakes?

Not at all. I'm just saying that earthquakes are evidence that the crust is subject to constant seismic activity, making it more likely that it is the crust moving than the ocean.

Is not "it is the crust moving than the ocean" equal to "earthquakes are responsible for tides"? 
Not necessarily;  the crust could bob without an earthquake in theory.

Then my main point still stands; Parsifal is claiming that regular, uniform, and predictable crustinator movements are the cause of tides.

I think we have just found the cause of tides.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2011, 04:05:53 AM »
My point was how ridiculous that theory is.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2011, 04:33:59 AM »
Quote from: Hessy on March 08, 2011, 04:05:53 AM
My point was how ridiculous that theory is.

That's interesting, because you haven't made it yet.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2011, 05:53:31 AM »
Quote from: Parsifal on March 08, 2011, 04:33:59 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 08, 2011, 04:05:53 AM
My point was how ridiculous that theory is.

That's interesting, because you haven't made it yet.

Then let me make myself more clear; the notion that crust movements are responsible for tides is obscenely implausible.  Tides are predictable to the point where we know exactly when high/low tide will be in a given location days, weeks, or even months in the future.  Tides are also regular; one day's tide won't be significantly different from the next. 

The fact that you think something as irregular and unpredictable as crust movements is ridiculous.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2011, 03:00:12 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: Oracle on March 07, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: Oracle on March 07, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: Crustinator on February 27, 2011, 05:18:50 AM
Tides are caused by an alignment of moon shrimp and sea shrimp. It is now widely accepted among scientists that moon shrimp probably were once sea shrimp who reached the moon when the tides were a lot higher.

Ok... that just sounds totally made up... do you have any sources on this? ...because it sounds like it is total fiction/fantasy.

My appologies... I didn't realize this was a serious point of view... apparently there is more documentation on this that I have yet to discover on it... but in my own defense, it does sound incredibly bizarre and fantastical.
Don't bother listening to crustinator.  He's trying to take legitimate views of flat earthers and display them to appear more crazy than they actually are by invention of lies.

John, as I'm sure you know, there are many branches of FET. We must all work together to fin a solution to this vexing problem. I am willing to overlook the fact that moon shrimp has much more evidence, and is supported by many more scientists, in order to work against the RE conspiracy menace.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2011, 03:13:55 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on March 07, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 07, 2011, 05:33:44 AM
You're saying that the tides are caused by regular, uniform, predictable earthquakes?

Not at all. I'm just saying that earthquakes are evidence that the crust is subject to constant seismic activity, making it more likely that it is the crust moving than the ocean.

Moving with respect to what? The mantle+core? how exactly would this system work?
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Re: Tides
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2011, 05:33:01 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on March 08, 2011, 04:33:59 AM
Quote from: Hessy on March 08, 2011, 04:05:53 AM
My point was how ridiculous that theory is.

That's interesting, because you haven't made it yet.

Considering that movements of the crust are readily detectable and continuously monitored around the world, your argument does fail.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2011, 02:25:25 PM »
Quote from: markjo on March 07, 2011, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
As James notes he is talking about shrimp like bacteria. 

Unfortunately, shrimp and bacteria are nothing alike.

Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
I for one think that its quite likely there is bioluminescent life due to fortrean findings over the course of man kind.  However, to say they are shrimp like is somewhat against the samples we have seen of manna.

Have any of the fortrean findings ever been determined to be bioluminescent life forms or been confirmed to come from the moon?
Saying they are nothing alike is pretty ridiculous.   I am sure you can appreciate that.

No, they have not been determined to be bioluminescent.  Another likely explanation is the moons surface itself is luminescent through chemical reaction.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2011, 03:08:05 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 29, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
Quote from: markjo on March 07, 2011, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
As James notes he is talking about shrimp like bacteria. 

Unfortunately, shrimp and bacteria are nothing alike.

Quote from: John Davis on March 07, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
I for one think that its quite likely there is bioluminescent life due to fortrean findings over the course of man kind.  However, to say they are shrimp like is somewhat against the samples we have seen of manna.

Have any of the fortrean findings ever been determined to be bioluminescent life forms or been confirmed to come from the moon?
Saying they are nothing alike is pretty ridiculous.   I am sure you can appreciate that.

No, they have not been determined to be bioluminescent.  Another likely explanation is the moons surface itself is luminescent through chemical reaction.

Apologies, but it sounds like pure guess work to me, I mean you could just say that is it a secondary reflection of the sun's light after it has already reflected off the earth's surface and back to the moon again.

Or that it is related to an electromagnetic induction of the surface as it goes near and far from the sun's orbital path that causes the illumination and the phases.
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Re: Tides
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2011, 07:09:18 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 29, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
No, they have not been determined to be bioluminescent.  Another likely explanation is the moons surface itself is luminescent through chemical reaction.

Yet another (even more) likely explanation is that the moon simply reflects sunlight.
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« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2011, 07:14:59 PM »
Quote from: markjo on March 29, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: John Davis on March 29, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
No, they have not been determined to be bioluminescent.  Another likely explanation is the moons surface itself is luminescent through chemical reaction.

Yet another (even more) likely explanation is that the moon simply reflects sunlight.

Bah... that's crazy talk... especially if the sun and moon are flat disks parallel to the surface of the earth and shining their light down upon us as a spotlight.

Why the mere suggestion that the moon reflects the sunlight would directly imply that the disk of the moon is angled at approximately 45o to the surface of the earth for proper redirection of the horizontal rays of a globular sun.
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2011, 07:32:29 PM »
Before James' breakthrough, I was considering stress on the surface of the moon as the answer.  I count myself lucky that I could then dispense with the development of the Peach Stress Luminescence Hypothesis as I have loads of other concerns.

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Re: Tides
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2011, 08:26:13 PM »
Quote from: markjo on March 29, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: John Davis on March 29, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
No, they have not been determined to be bioluminescent.  Another likely explanation is the moons surface itself is luminescent through chemical reaction.

Yet another (even more) likely explanation is that the moon simply reflects sunlight.
Also possible.  However, less so in the framework of the theories we are talking of.
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