UA question

I read through the FAQ and did a search, and nowhere could I find this answered. If it has been, excuse my search-fu and enlighten me.

In the UA model, dark energy looms above and pulls everything towards it at 9.81 m/s^2. However, it obviously distinguishes between what to pull and what not to. Otherwise we would all be in freefall, as it would affect and pull us all equally as in this explanation that your own FAQ so sweetly links to,



 

you and the elevator could be in the gravitational field of a mass, for instance that of the earth, as long as the elevator was in free fall. In that case you, everything else within the elevator and the elevator itself would all be accelerated at exactly the same rate so that, inside, no influence of gravity could be detected.

As to what it pulls, that means we can rule out every single element known to humanity; there aren't any weightless elements that just float around! That also means the moon can't be affected by UA, as it apparently doesn't affect the elements that it's made of. The much speculated upon moon shrimp would also just fall right off the surface of the moon, even if we assume it somehow stays there through mechanics as of yet unknown; there's nothing holding them there!

To me this seems like UA simply does not work! Tell me how this mysteriously specific force works its wonders!

As always, I'll expect you to back up any new and/or undocumented statements and theories with at least some kind of factual, empirical and verifiable evidence.

In the UA model, dark energy looms above and pulls everything towards it at 9.81 m/s^2. However, it obviously distinguishes between what to pull and what not to.

This is where you already have it wrong. It does not "loom above and pulls everything towards it"

It is below and is "pushing" everything upwards.

That does not really matter, it would have the exactly same effect if you'd bother thinking about it.

That does not really matter, it would have the exactly same effect if you'd bother thinking about it.

no it would not.

Think about it. Dark energy above, dark energy below, it doesn't really matter. Something allegedly pushes everything upwards. However, it doesn't push me upwards too, or I'd be in free fall. As the elevator example above shows, if you are pushed just as much as your environment you're in free fall.

If it was the equivalent of a giant rocket engine pressing against the earth from below, we would feel gravity. However a universal force that affects everything will not give the same result as I'd be accelerated upwards just as much as the earth. However, that wouldn't work because the moon, the stars and the sun would fall down onto the earth then (or well the earth would bump into them on the way up), as there would be nothing keeping them up.

I'm just saying that UA seems to be very specific about what it pushes up. I'm just asking you to explain how that mysterious phenomenon works.

It's jolly simple. Dark energy pushes against the earth and goes around it:
          /                    \ 
        /_______________\
        \                       /
          \                   / 
            \               /
/=Dark Energy. A crude diagram, but you get the idea.

Quote from: silver on February 24, 2011, 10:50:43 PM

That does not really matter, it would have the exactly same effect if you'd bother thinking about it.

no it would not.

prove it

It's jolly simple. Dark energy pushes against the earth and goes around it:
          /                    \ 
        /_______________\
        \                       /
          \                   / 
            \               /
/=Dark Energy. A crude diagram, but you get the idea.

>implying that the force bearing particle for UA doesn't go in a straight line.
If UA has some force bearing particle U, and deep in the earth is a plate that blocks the field for the earth, the it wouldn't suddenly sneak back in
this is what would happen

     \                              /   
      \                            /
       \ _______________ /
        \                       /
          \                   / 
 

Think of it this way: I put a a flat object on a shoreline so that it is sticking out of the sand. A wave comes in, and what happens? does the water continue spreading after it breaks against the object? No. It laps around it. That is what the UA would be like.

Quote from: parsec on February 24, 2011, 11:00:12 PM

Quote from: silver on February 24, 2011, 10:50:43 PM

That does not really matter, it would have the exactly same effect if you'd bother thinking about it.

no it would not.

prove it

Please read at least through the posts in this thread.

Think of it this way: I put a a flat object on a shoreline so that it is sticking out of the sand. A wave comes in, and what happens? does the water continue spreading after it breaks against the object? No. It laps around it. That is what the UA would be like.

Hmm...so now dark energy is theorized to behave like liquid water? I would avoid FET models that rely on UA, myself.

Quote from: Hazbollah on February 25, 2011, 06:37:46 AM

Think of it this way: I put a a flat object on a shoreline so that it is sticking out of the sand. A wave comes in, and what happens? does the water continue spreading after it breaks against the object? No. It laps around it. That is what the UA would be like.

Hmm...so now dark energy is theorized to behave like liquid water? I would avoid FET models that rely on UA, myself.

Not really, it was just an analogy. I am unaware of the latest thought going into the nature of the UA. The possibility of it having a water-like propagation is interesting, though.

I would describe it more like fluid than water.

What types of energy are known to have fluidic properties?

What types of energy are known to have fluidic properties?

wind energy.

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct.  However, last I knew, that has yet to be established as the consensus among FE theorists.  Indeed, more FE theorists seem to support the infinite plane model.

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct.  However, last I knew, that has yet to be established as the consensus among FE theorists.  Indeed, more FE theorists seem to support the infinite plane model.

Irrelevant.

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:30:39 AM

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct.  However, last I knew, that has yet to be established as the consensus among FE theorists.  Indeed, more FE theorists seem to support the infinite plane model.

Irrelevant.

Just to let you know, Parsec (and anyone else who is a fan of one word replies), I consider posts like this to be low content.  Please elaborate as to which part(s) you consider to be irrelevant and why.

Quote from: parsec on February 26, 2011, 08:33:03 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:30:39 AM

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct.  However, last I knew, that has yet to be established as the consensus among FE theorists.  Indeed, more FE theorists seem to support the infinite plane model.

Irrelevant.

Just to let you know, Parsec, I consider posts like this to be low content.  Please elaborate as to which part(s) you consider to be irrelevant and why.

Because you  made a straw-man argument by joining convenient parts of several previous posts together and relating it to the UA model.

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:41:58 AM

Quote from: parsec on February 26, 2011, 08:33:03 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:30:39 AM

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct.  However, last I knew, that has yet to be established as the consensus among FE theorists.  Indeed, more FE theorists seem to support the infinite plane model.

Irrelevant.

Just to let you know, Parsec, I consider posts like this to be low content.  Please elaborate as to which part(s) you consider to be irrelevant and why.

Because you  made a straw-man argument by joining convenient parts of several previous posts together and relating it to the UA model.

The UA us used in both finite disc and infinite plane FE models.  Since there is no consensus as to which model is correct, it's difficult to know whether the suggested fluid properties of the UA are applicable.

it's difficult to know whether the suggested fluid properties of the UA are applicable.

what suggested properties?

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 09:45:55 AM

it's difficult to know whether the suggested fluid properties of the UA are applicable.

what suggested properties?

It's jolly simple. Dark energy pushes against the earth and goes around it:
          /                    \ 
        /_______________\
        \                       /
          \                   / 
            \               /
/=Dark Energy. A crude diagram, but you get the idea.

Please try to keep up, will you?

Think of it this way: I put a a flat object on a shoreline so that it is sticking out of the sand. A wave comes in, and what happens? does the water continue spreading after it breaks against the object? No. It laps around it. That is what the UA would be like.

No. The gravitons if you will won't interact with each other to re-spread. They wouldn't under go a Brownian motion of sorts like the water does. Also, in the case of the water consider a wave originating from the x axis going upwards, the fluid has a certain pressure. This causes the fluid to expand at any given point. Since this is more or less uniform, so although the molecules from (0,5) won't all reach (0,10), as much will spread to (-3--->3,10), water from (-3-->3, 5) will reach (0,10), so the net density of water is conserved. If we block (0,5), sure that water won't make it to (0,10), but the water from (-3--->3,5) will

i also think the problem is that the water is going straight, so there are no two different lines of motion

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct. 

Actually the bow shock of a disc results in a vortex above the opposite surface of the disc and little, if any, laminar flow across the opposite surface of the disc. The questions of the nature of the sun and moons circumnavigation above the pole, may be related to this swirling motion (turbulence) above the FE.

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:30:39 AM

Wind energy is known to create all sorts of turbulence as it goes around large, flat objects.  This would suggest that if the UA had similar properties, then the UA would create a great deal of turbulence as it goes past the FE.  Of course that's assuming that the finite disc model is correct. 

Actually the bow shock of a disc results in a vortex above the opposite surface of the disc and little, if any, laminar flow across the opposite surface of the disc. The questions of the nature of the sun and moons circumnavigation above the pole, may be related to this swirling motion (turbulence) above the FE.

Its interesting that you should stumble upon this.  Even without a UA it is clear to me that eddies exist within the space medium above earth.