There are many problems with this theory!

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Re: There are many problems with this theory!
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2011, 12:40:34 PM »
I am disappointed such long post had so little content. :(
I'm disappointed none of my retorts were addressed.

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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2011, 02:24:31 PM »
That's strange, because I had the same feeling when I was launching out from the loading stations at Rock'n'Rollercoaster at Walt Disney World and Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point. But that whole thing was just a side thought that popped into my head. I personally do not know much about it, but then again, I sincerely doubt you do either.

As for your accelerometer statement, what you are saying may explain the phenomenon in FET, but trying to use it as proof against RET just proves that you don't know how it works (some physicist...). An accelerometer measures acceleration by the movements of an internal ball. If the accelerometer is stationary, the force of gravity still acts on the ball which pulls it down and the machine reads it. If the machine itself is experiencing the same acceleration as the ball, the ball will not move in relation to the machine and, therefore, the machine will read 0m/s^2.
I think you are forgetting that it is relative. If you are stationary and everything else is moving, you are actually moving with respect to everything else. If the air is rushing past you because it is moving, you will feel as though you are moving. If your eyes tell you the earth is coming at you as is everything else, your brain will interpret that as you moving.

Ah. As I said, that was just a random thought that popped into my head. Btw, I wasn't confusing gravity with G-force, I was just making a comparison.

No one has ever explicitly seen or detected the cause of UA either.
UA is caused by dark energy. Even RE scientists will claim the universe is 70% dark energy. How does all that energy manifest itself? As the driving force for the universe.

I bolded my point. Given that no one has explicitly seen either mechanism in action, they are equally absurd in this context. Also, what IOA said.

UA is a very concise and simple solution to the causes of why things fall to earth. Gravity suggesting that everything projects a force on everything else, with no additional power source driving all this pulling and attractive force, that no one can see or verify, is a lot more complicated than accepting everything accelerates in one direction due to the enormous amount of dark energy in the universe. I'm sorry but this is where FET must invoke Occam's Razor. It is the simplest and most concise solution.

I do not subscribe to Occam's Razor (read the 2nd paragraph of the Wikipedia article), but I do subscribe to the idea of agreeing to disagree. In fact, that was my entire point.

1) For an object that is experiencing no acceleration in a given reference frame, for every force there is an equal and opposite force. The Earth is pushing against you, and you are pushing against the Earth. This proves nothing.
1) It proves nothing and likewise it also disproves nothing.

TB mentioned how you "feel the Earth pushing up against your feet" or something like that. My point was that it could be interpreted either way.


I'll leave 2 out because a) it was a fairly irrelevant and "stupid" post on my part, and b) because IOA continues the thought better.


3) "Puller particles" are no more absurd than universal acceleration. Both rely on mechanisms that we have yet to observe explicitly. Your next statement proves this as you speculate on what might be causing universal acceleration.
3) As you said before every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Every ying has its yang. Every positive can be matched with a negative. So how would pusher particles or anti-puller particles manifest themselves? Do they rip things apart? I think this way madness lies.

I also said "For an object that is experiencing no acceleration in a given reference frame." Gravity causes acceleration. But this is exactly what I was referencing in my post; there is no empirical evidence. All you did was speculate. Everything we are currently talking about is speculation. What makes anything more absurd than anything else?

As a side note, have you noticed how whenever TB joins a thread all other FEers disappear? Might this have something to do with the fact that no one agrees with him? If they do agree with him, they have to realize that they produce much more effective arguments than he does. TB is one of the worst debaters I've seen for FET.
As for your side note, why would we need to help Tom Bishop? We usually bail from the thread confident he will be able to answer all your queries. Most of us have no where near his level of FE expertise and I always fear, should an REr be lucky enough to engage Tom in a thread, the last thing they will need is my input. A mountain goat will always prefer to sip from the source of a stream where the water is at its most pure. And for my part, I can sit back and read, hoping to get dowsed in some of the spray.

Actually, you are probably the best debater I've seen supporting FET. TB is always biased and tends to deflect questions he can't/doesn't want to answer. You, on the other hand, actually post, and respond to, real content, or at the very least more so than anyone else supporting FET. In fact, the italicized sentence from my initial post was aimed at you.

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Re: There are many problems with this theory!
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2011, 05:03:05 PM »
UA is a very concise and simple solution to the causes of why things fall to earth.

But it doesn't explain why objects experience a mutual attraction that is proportional to their mass and inversely proportional to the square of their distance.
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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2011, 05:29:17 PM »
I am disappointed such long post had so little content. :(
I'm disappointed none of my retorts were addressed.

You're new here, aren't you?

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« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2011, 07:48:07 PM »
It's an observation. It's a direct observation that the earth rises upwards when you walk off the edge of a chair.

It all depends on your frame of reference.  If you use earth as a frame of reference, then it's you that are moving towards the earth, not the other way around.  Or, you could choose another frame of reference where both you and the earth are moving towards each other.

Well, either the earth is accelerating upwards or these "puller particles" are a cause for gravity. On one hand we have a phenomenon which is known to exist: Acceleration. No one doubts that acceleration exists in the universe. On the other hand we have these sub-atomic puller particles which no one has ever seen or detected.


No. It's either unproven puller particles, or unproven dark matter. You sound like Squeeler from Animal Farm.

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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2011, 12:38:45 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


Please quote where the article states that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were sent by NASA to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state.  I actually read the article and couldn't find Armstrong or Aldrin mentioned once.

Or you could just edit your statement so as to remove the parts that are blatantly disingenuous.

I see you chose option c: "Leave the thread and not answer for my dishonesty."  Well played, Tom.
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Re: There are many problems with this theory!
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2011, 01:22:11 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


Please quote where the article states that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were sent by NASA to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state.  I actually read the article and couldn't find Armstrong or Aldrin mentioned once.

Or you could just edit your statement so as to remove the parts that are blatantly disingenuous.

I see you chose option c: "Leave the thread and not answer for my dishonesty."  Well played, Tom.

Read the plaque image on that link. It mentions that Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin went to the Netherlands to present that fake moon rock to the prime minister.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/

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« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2011, 01:26:33 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


Please quote where the article states that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were sent by NASA to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state.  I actually read the article and couldn't find Armstrong or Aldrin mentioned once.

Or you could just edit your statement so as to remove the parts that are blatantly disingenuous.

I see you chose option c: "Leave the thread and not answer for my dishonesty."  Well played, Tom.

Read the plaque image on that link. It mentions that Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin went to the Netherlands to present that fake moon rock to the prime minister.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/



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Also, it is also possible that someone stole the rock and replaced it with red cedar wood. You're the only one who thinks that it's part of a massive conspiracy.

Finally, limes. I want to know whether or not that works outside of Random Musings.

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« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2011, 01:29:53 PM »
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Also from the link:

"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

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Also, it is also possible that someone stole the rock and replaced it with red cedar wood. You're the only one who thinks that it's part of a massive conspiracy.

In the article his staff says that they remember him getting that little red rock from the moon.

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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2011, 01:31:50 PM »


Also, it is also possible that someone stole the rock and replaced it with red cedar wood. You're the only one who thinks that it's part of a massive conspiracy.

Finally, limes. I want to know whether or not that works outside of Random Musings.
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Tom is not the only one that believes in that conspiracy.
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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2011, 01:32:06 PM »
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1) As has been described to you before, when you step off a chair, you observe that you follow a parabolic path towards the surface of the Earth. There is no specific way to discern whether the Earth comes up to meet you or whether you fall down to the Earth using purely Zetetic observation.

If someone throws you a baseball you know that the baseball is moving towards you because you can see it move.

Likewise, when you step off a chair and observe the earth rise upwards you know that the earth is moving because you can see it move. You do not observe yourself traveling towards the earth. You observe that the earth lifts upwards and smacks itself into the bottom of your feet. You can see, directly, that the earth is moving upwards.

No sees "graviton particles" or whatever dribble you RE'rs mumble about in your closets. When stepping off a chair all that is seen is that the earth rises upwards.

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2) I suppose that's one way of looking at it. I can think of a couple other reasons (diplomatic - although I admit I don't know much about the political atmosphere of the time period - and scientific) why they would have done this. I don't know exactly why they did it, but then again, neither do you. You are rather closed-minded for shutting out other reasonable possibilities and only focusing on the one that conveniently supports your theory.

So they did it for "diplomatic reasons"? What kind of "diplomatic reasons" were those?

NASA was clearly caught trying to fool people into believing that they had gone to the moon and brought back rocks from its surface.

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3) You are correct that there is no evidence to support light bending. You should, however, believe in it if you believe in FET seeing as how it doesn't work without it.

"Bendy Light" isn't part of conventional Flat Earth Theory. Read Earth Not a Globe. There is no bendy light described in the text. In ENAG light travels in straight paths.

Tom, don't quote the conspiracy  FAQ. I seem to remember Doyh dismissing everything in it in about an hour.
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Re: There are many problems with this theory!
« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2011, 01:41:34 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

Nowhere on the plaque does it mention that Armstrong or Aldrin gave the rock to the head of state.  It just says the rock commemorates their visit.

I am still failing to see the part where it says NASA sent "Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state."
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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2011, 01:56:48 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

Nowhere on the plaque does it mention that Armstrong or Aldrin gave the rock to the head of state.  It just says the rock commemorates their visit.

I am still failing to see the part where it says NASA sent "Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state."

It doesn't matter who actually handed over the gift. Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin were in the room. It was a gift from all of them.

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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2011, 01:59:43 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

Nowhere on the plaque does it mention that Armstrong or Aldrin gave the rock to the head of state.  It just says the rock commemorates their visit.

I am still failing to see the part where it says NASA sent "Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state."

It doesn't matter who actually handed over the gift. Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin were in the room. It was a gift from all of them.

Where does it say that?

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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2011, 02:02:35 PM »

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.


"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

Nowhere on the plaque does it mention that Armstrong or Aldrin gave the rock to the head of state.  It just says the rock commemorates their visit.

I am still failing to see the part where it says NASA sent "Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state."

It doesn't matter who actually handed over the gift. Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin were in the room. It was a gift from all of them.

Where does it say they were in the room?  If it was from all of them, why is Middendorf the only one who is credited with giving the gift?

It matters because you're accusing two people of doing something they didn't do.
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« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2011, 02:16:05 PM »
Acquired "during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts." It seems reasonable to believe Tom's assertion.
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« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2011, 02:22:14 PM »
Acquired "during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts." It seems reasonable to believe Tom's assertion.

The full quote:
"Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

The plaque only mentions a visit to the Netherlands by the astronauts.

Where does it say they were in the room?  If it was from all of them, why is Middendorf the only one who is credited with giving the gift?
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« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2011, 04:07:31 PM »
Acquired "during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts." It seems reasonable to believe Tom's assertion.

Except that it was Middendorf, not the three astronauts, that gave it to him. This is complete fiction. Tom saw this and drew conclusions based on non-existent evidence and assumptions. Next he'll be telling us that we need faith.

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« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2011, 04:23:29 PM »
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Also from the link:

"The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing."

Did you miss this bit of the article?
Quote from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/
It was on show in 2006, and a space expert informed the museum it was unlikely NASA would have given away any moon rocks three months after Apollo returned to Earth.
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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2011, 04:37:25 PM »
Acquired "during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts." It seems reasonable to believe Tom's assertion.

Except that it was Middendorf, not the three astronauts, that gave it to him. This is complete fiction. Tom saw this and drew conclusions based on non-existent evidence and assumptions. Next he'll be telling us that we need faith.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

When  you look at Tom's post you can see a picture of the tag and the fake "moon rock" . You don't need to have faith, just half way decent vision.
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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2011, 04:40:55 PM »
There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.

There is also the fact that NASA didn't send Armstrong or Aldrin with the moon rock to begin with:
"Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details."
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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2011, 06:15:34 PM »
Did you miss this bit of the article?
Quote from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/
It was on show in 2006, and a space expert informed the museum it was unlikely NASA would have given away any moon rocks three months after Apollo returned to Earth.

Did you miss the bit of the article where they did give away moon rocks to foreign countries?

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.

There is also the fact that NASA didn't send Armstrong or Aldrin with the moon rock to begin with:
"Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details."

The plaque clearly says that the moon rock was a gift from NASA and the US.
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« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2011, 06:28:11 PM »
Did you miss this bit of the article?
Quote from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/
It was on show in 2006, and a space expert informed the museum it was unlikely NASA would have given away any moon rocks three months after Apollo returned to Earth.

Did you miss the bit of the article where they did give away moon rocks to foreign countries?

Did you miss that part that it was unlikely that that would be one of them?

There is evidence of a NASA conspiracy. That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.

There is also the fact that NASA didn't send Armstrong or Aldrin with the moon rock to begin with:
"Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details."

The plaque clearly says that the moon rock was a gift from NASA and the US.

Where does the plaque say that the rock came from the moon?
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2011, 06:53:32 PM »
What part of the plaque mentions NASA? It says that it is commemorating the three astronauts for their space missions. This is like saying that a man clearly faked his death because his gravestone says his name on it, so he must have made it.

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« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2011, 04:10:56 AM »
The plaque clearly says that the moon rock was a gift from NASA and the US.

The lies just keep adding up.
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« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2011, 09:08:42 AM »
For a physicist, you sure do like to jump to conclusions Tom. Is it a possibility that everything was part of some massive conspiracy? Of course. But there are also plenty of other explanations and reasons why these things happen that you are simply throwing out the window. Such as how it is never stated that it is actually a moon rock.

By the way, why is this rock the only one that seems to have a problem? Why aren't any of the other of the "official" moon rocks being labeled as fakes as well? What makes New Zealand so special?

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« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2011, 08:45:38 AM »
Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to recap Tom's lies in this thread:

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That NASA would send Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to give fake moon rocks to foreign heads of state is direct evidence of deception and hoaxing.

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The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.
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Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details.
We can see from the above quotes that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin did not give the moon rock to the foreign head of state.  We can also see that Middendorf received the rock from the U.S. State Department, not NASA.

Lie:
Read the plaque image on that link. It mentions that Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin went to the Netherlands to present that fake moon rock to the prime minister.

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With the compliments of the Ambassador of the United Stats of America J. William Middendorf, II to commemorate the visit to The Netherlands of the Apollo-11 astronauts Neil A. Armstrong Michael Collins Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr. R.A.I International Exhibition and Congress Centre Amsterdam, October 9, 1969
The plaque mentions that Neil Amrstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin went to the Netherlands.  It does not mention that they presented the fake moon rock to the prime minister.

Lie:
It doesn't matter who actually handed over the gift. Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin were in the room. It was a gift from all of them.

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Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.
The gift was from J. William Widdendorf, not all of them.  Nowhere is it mentioned that they were all in the room.

Lie:
The plaque clearly says that the moon rock was a gift from NASA and the US.

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Not only does the plaque not say this, NASA isn't even mentioned on the plaque.  This isn't just misreading or misinterpreting something, this is straight up lying.
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« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2011, 08:54:58 AM »
Not that I'm defending Tom's conclusions, but he does seem to simply be making some not-completely-unreasonable inferences. The real question is, what is the point of this specific debate? It doesn't really seem to establish anything important, either way.
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« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2011, 09:30:15 AM »
The point is that Tom uses arguments like this to try to cast doubt on NASA's honesty and credibility.  Essentially Tom is saying something along the lines of "if NASA lied about the moon rocks then they must have lied about the whole moon program".
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Re: There are many problems with this theory!
« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2011, 10:00:22 AM »
The point is that Tom uses arguments like this to try to cast doubt on NASA's honesty and credibility.  Essentially Tom is saying something along the lines of "if NASA lied about the moon rocks then they must have lied about the whole moon program".
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Also, this casts doubts on Tom's honesty and credibility.
By eliminating all present contradicting possibilities you would arrive at the present truth. It's impossible to arrive at a future truth.