a question for REers

Why do REers always refuse to accept the evidence that the earth is flat? whether u believe it or not it is true

Can you be more specific?  If you name a single piece of evidence that you think RE's reject without reason, please name it and I will try to explain.

almost every REer ive met has said that penquins r just living things, its not true. penguins are half bird half otter and cannot fly and move slowly so they are easier to catch, for the pplz gaurding the 150 ft ice wall need something to survive off of

What happened to Osseldorf? We need some hoaxers around here who are actually funny.

Why do REers always refuse to accept the evidence that the earth is flat? whether u believe it or not it is true

Because the opposite has already been proven, it has passed every step of the scientific method.

Seflix,

  We don't belive penguins are half bird and half otter because there is no evidence for it.  Every biologist in the world has labled penguins as a member of the bird family.  I would like to know why you belive the contrary.

ummm... because they are part of the conspericy.

Again I ask the_earth_does_not_exist, what is you evidence?

And please don't use the kind of logic you do in your profile tag line.  Belief doesn't make something true.  Please just provide evidence to support your conclusion.

Why do you people even respond to him?

 :roll:

Because it's the right thing to do.

An open scientific exchange of ideas is the only ways to arrive at the truth.

you guys too r lost in the governments lies, remember it was the government that put the penguins in the bird family but they are just food for the secret agents gaurding the ice wall

Again Seflix, you have stated a hypothesis without providing support.

What evidence do you have to back up what you said in the previous post?

Max Fagin = someone who thinks just because he beielves somthing, that makes it true  

An open scientific exchange of ideas is the only ways to arrive at the truth.

And please don't use the kind of logic you do in your profile tag line. Belief doesn't make something true. Please just provide evidence to support your conclusion.

WTF

How about having a 'scientific exchange of ideas' with me about why 'Belief doesn't make somthing true before you say anything.

Like God, my concept of the earth not existing cannot be proven. Does that make it not true (ask religious people... btw, im not religious at all so i find this statement funny).

My sig would accualy make more sence if i could put some more stuff into it. as it is, i only had enough text for what i have.


My theory is basicly, nothing is real. Nothing at all.
Now, the earth is not real. The earth does not exist.
It is not flat. There is not enough proof that it is.
It is not round. There is not enough proof that it is.

This concept can technicly be applied to anything and everything around you.
That desk does not exist. You just think it does. etc.
Basicly, nothing exists. You dont exist.
You just think you exist.
But i dont. I have never seen you. Therefore you dont exist.
Can you prove to me that anything exists?
You cant. Its impossible. I wont let you. I will use messed up logic to deny everything.

Belief doesn't make something true.

like i said, take it to anyone who is religious. My theory is no more disprovable than a religion.

Also, your being like "THERE IS NO EVEDENCE THEREFORE I WONT ACCEPT ITS TRUE NO MATTER WHAT (unless evedence is found)"....
so, why are you asking about penguins?
Your problem seems to lay at the root of the thoery, the Consperisy.
If you dont accept a consperisy as a possible (or even *gasp* resionalbe) explanation, then you shouldnt be arguing about things like this. Argue about the Consperisy instead.  8-)

what evidence do u have that the earth is round u havent shared much

Solipsism is so, like, last century.

[/ditzy teenage girl impression]

what evidence do u have that the earth is round u havent shared much

Sod off and stop being so ignorant or I'll cut your knackers off with a chainsaw.

Why don't you listen to the evidence for RE theory? Theres much more that for FE.

Your post coverd to much ground for me to effectivly adress.  But I can tackle some of your major points.

No, I can never prove to you that the earth exists.  Science isn't concerned with proof.

What science is concerned with is evidence.

I can provide evidence to you that the earth exists.

I can also perform experiments that generate repetable results that say "the earth exists."
 
Can you provide evidence that the earth does not exist?  Your idea that nothing exists is an interesting one, but completely untestable.  Therefore, it does not belong in a scientific discusion about the shape of the earth.

Fianlly, anybody can say what they belive.  That is why we don't allow faith and belife in a scientific debate.

Peoples belifes (Mine included) can be diluded.

But good solid evidence can not.

Anyway, the challenge remains open to Sefix and T.E.D.N.E.  What evidence do you have to indicate the earth is flat (or does not exist)

As for supplying evidence, here are three big pieces.

As an astronomer, the shape of the earth is important to how I aim my telescope.  When it travel to different latitudes, the stars travel farther north and south, to the amount predicted if I lived on a sphere.  I understand that if FE were correct, we would observe a simmilar effect, but to a smaler extent.  I have measured how the stars appear to move with lattitude, and the spheracle model is the only one that matches.

I have watched the motion of other celestial bodies.  I have watched the Sun, the Moon, Mars and Jupiter all go through their full "days" and observed their position in the sky throughout the year.  The only model that accounts accuratelly for their motions is the theory of universal gravitation combined with copernican model that says all celestial bodies are round (The earth included) and orbit the sun.  If the FEers can provide a different model with the power to predict the positions of the planets more accuaratally then the current model, I will be convinced.

We have Photographes from space which show the curvature of the earth.  Yes, I know you claim them as part of the conspiracy, and I am willing to accept the idea that they could be faked, but before you can make that claim, you need to provide evidence that they are not legitamate.  Until then they will remain viable evidence.

Now, please present your evidence.

This isn't open scientific debate. You're trying to convince someone who's sole purpose is to annoy on these forums. In other words, you're taking the bait. It's useless to try and convince hoaxers. Heck, it's useless to try and convince anyone on this forum most of the time. :roll:

who is this Seflix person. hes everywhere

Still waiting on a submission of FE evidence, the challenge is open to any FEer, Seflix included.

Sefix dosn't really beleive, like me.

dick munchers

almost every REer ive met has said that penquins r just living things, its not true. penguins are half bird half otter and cannot fly and move slowly so they are easier to catch, for the pplz gaurding the 150 ft ice wall need something to survive off of

for the record, we decided that the ice wall must be much higher to hold the air in.

For the record:  I presented evidence, while T.E.D.N.E. did not.  Thus, by the evidence that has been presented so far on this topic, we can assume that the Earth is not flat, and therefor the ice wall does not exist.

If any FE'er can provide evidence that effectively counters the claims I made in my previous post, I will renounce my RE belifes.  That's how science works. . .

I don't think the FEers are keen on arguing anymore, since they don't talk much in here , and I still got much more info to update there

I argue.

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Why do REers always refuse to accept the evidence that the earth is flat? whether u believe it or not it is true

Because the opposite has already been proven, it has passed every step of the scientific method.

You can take your scientific method and shove it up your...well you get the picture.