Quick Moon Question

I've been poking about here and there and have come across references to moonlight being harmful, but cannot locate a more complete explanation, can somebody please direct me to that or provide that information here? Thank you!

I have no idea why they think that. It popped up in a thread about moon shrimp, what with their bioluminescent light being dangerous somehow.

It's probably because they think they're werewolves and because it's a myth that people don't believe it's probably true that they are affected adversely by moonlight. Or something.

Though widely known since antiquity, the harmful effects of Moonlight are well-catalogued in Rowbotham, 1881: pp. 141-150.
Here's a web link to the relevant chapter: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm

Since then, several newer papers have been published on the subject; if you'd like I will collate them and provide citations in this thread - but ENaG is a good starting point.

The red moon is a well known and documented phenomenon. I am afraid your sources are some 150 years out of date.

The Moon does not completely disappear as it passes through the umbra because of the refraction of sunlight by the Earth’s atmosphere into the shadow cone; if the Earth had no atmosphere, the Moon would be completely dark during an eclipse. The red coloring arises because sunlight reaching the Moon must pass through a long and dense layer of the Earth’s atmosphere, where it is scattered. Shorter wavelengths are more likely to be scattered by the air molecules and the small particles, and so by the time the light has passed through the atmosphere, the longer wavelengths dominate. This resulting light we perceive as red. This is the same effect that causes sunsets and sunrises to turn the sky a reddish color; an alternative way of considering the problem is to realize that, as viewed from the Moon, the Sun would appear to be setting (or rising) behind the Earth.

I am afraid I didn't find anything about harmful effects. I searched the entire document for words like "dangerous", "harmful", "harm" et cetera, but nothing came up at any point.

I am afraid I didn't find anything about harmful effects. I searched the entire document for words like "dangerous", "harmful", "harm" et cetera, but nothing came up at any point.

It's in there. Perhaps you should actually read the article rather than searching for key phrases.

Though widely known since antiquity, the harmful effects of Moonlight are well-catalogued in Rowbotham, 1881: pp. 141-150.
Here's a web link to the relevant chapter: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm

Since then, several newer papers have been published on the subject; if you'd like I will collate them and provide citations in this thread - but ENaG is a good starting point.

Those newer articles would be nice.  I'd rather read something relatively recent.  It would seem much has changed in the scientific world since 1881....

Quote from: silver on February 07, 2011, 05:49:49 AM

I am afraid I didn't find anything about harmful effects. I searched the entire document for words like "dangerous", "harmful", "harm" et cetera, but nothing came up at any point.

Its in there. Perhaps you should actually read the article rather than searching for key phrases.

I did read it all. Well, I skimmed some parts, like the endless quotes about a red moon. I must have faded out at some point. Enlighten me, please, with a quote.

Quote from: James on February 07, 2011, 04:54:41 AM

Though widely known since antiquity, the harmful effects of Moonlight are well-catalogued in Rowbotham, 1881: pp. 141-150.
Here's a web link to the relevant chapter: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm

Since then, several newer papers have been published on the subject; if you'd like I will collate them and provide citations in this thread - but ENaG is a good starting point.

Those newer articles would be nice.  I'd rather read something relatively recent.  It would seem much has changed in the scientific world since 1881....

Here's my Moon reading list, in which the many harmful and dangerous side-effects of the Moon may be sourced:

Bhattacharjee, C., Bradley, P. et al. (2000) 'Do Animals Bite More During A Full Moon? Retrospective Observational Analysis'. In BMJ: British Medical Journal, Vol. 321, No. 7276. pp. 1559-1561.

Thakur, C. P., & Sharma, D. (1984) 'Full Moon And Crime'. In British Medical Journal (Clinical Research Edition). Vol. 289, No. 6460. pp. 1789-1791.

Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly, pp. 114-119.

Rowbotham, S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co., pp. 141-150.

Moonlight has long been known to be beneficial to us.

There is a growing trend now to use moonlight directly for therapeutic methods.

Click here
http://www.starlightuses.com/

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Berny
There is something that causes blindness TB - maybe you should stop doing it in the moonlight.

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Really? I Google searched "moonlight harmful" and only one thread from the FES came up, and that was Ichi's documentation of plants.

Moonlight has long been known to be beneficial to us.

There is a growing trend now to use moonlight directly for therapeutic methods.

Click here
http://www.starlightuses.com/

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Berny
There is something that causes blindness TB - maybe you should stop doing it in the moonlight.

I think you need to look at my signature Berny.

Quote from: berny_74 on February 07, 2011, 07:42:52 AM

Moonlight has long been known to be beneficial to us.

There is a growing trend now to use moonlight directly for therapeutic methods.

Click here
http://www.starlightuses.com/

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Berny
There is something that causes blindness TB - maybe you should stop doing it in the moonlight.

I think you need to look at my signature Berny.

Yes you lost the Canadian flag.
Meany

Berny
<sniffles>

Quote from: berny_74 on February 07, 2011, 07:42:52 AM

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Really? I Google searched "moonlight harmful" and only one thread from the FES came up, and that was Ichi's documentation of plants.

Well that thread is part of the flat earth society no?
And at least a search for the flat earth society no longer pops up an image of Saddam Hussein.
Did you really want to equate the society with the american supported puppet dictator who got to big for his britches?

Berny

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on February 07, 2011, 07:50:23 AM

Quote from: berny_74 on February 07, 2011, 07:42:52 AM

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Really? I Google searched "moonlight harmful" and only one thread from the FES came up, and that was Ichi's documentation of plants.

Well that thread is part of the flat earth society no?
And at least a search for the flat earth society no longer pops up an image of Saddam Hussein.
Did you really want to equate the society with the american supported puppet dictator who got to big for his britches?

Berny

I am not denying Ichi's thread is about the harmful affects of moonlights, I am instead questioning:

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

When there is only one link from the FES on the first page.

Quote from: berny_74 on February 07, 2011, 09:23:43 AM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on February 07, 2011, 07:50:23 AM

Quote from: berny_74 on February 07, 2011, 07:42:52 AM

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

Really? I Google searched "moonlight harmful" and only one thread from the FES came up, and that was Ichi's documentation of plants.

Well that thread is part of the flat earth society no?
And at least a search for the flat earth society no longer pops up an image of Saddam Hussein.
Did you really want to equate the society with the american supported puppet dictator who got to big for his britches?

Berny

I am not denying Ichi's thread is about the harmful affects of moonlights, I am instead questioning:

Quote

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up the flat earth society.

When there is only one link from the FES on the first page.

You study Englsh I study cooking.
Pedantry is not my specialty.
I should have said -

In fact a general search on moonlight and harmful only pulls up Ichi's thread in the flat earth society, the rest are in general about how moonlight is not harmfull

Berny
Satisfied Parsifal?

Ahh yes, I see the relevant passages, thank you! I really was just asking for clarification at this point and not a debate (although of course I should've known better heh).

Would you care as to give me an exact quote so I can find the section instead of having to read all of that text again in detail?

Would you care as to give me an exact quote so I can find the section instead of having to read all of that text again in detail?

The nonsense starts here...

The light of the moon is damp, cold, and powerfully septic; and animal and nitrogenous vegetable substances. exposed to it soon show symptoms of putrefaction. Even living creatures by long exposure to the moon's rays, become morbidly affected. It is a common thing on board vessels going through tropical regions, for written or printed notices to be issued, prohibiting persons from sleeping on deck exposed to full moonlight, experience having proved that such exposure is often followed by injurious consequences.

Quote from: Joeval on February 07, 2011, 06:18:22 AM

Quote from: James on February 07, 2011, 04:54:41 AM

Though widely known since antiquity, the harmful effects of Moonlight are well-catalogued in Rowbotham, 1881: pp. 141-150.
Here's a web link to the relevant chapter: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm

Since then, several newer papers have been published on the subject; if you'd like I will collate them and provide citations in this thread - but ENaG is a good starting point.

Those newer articles would be nice.  I'd rather read something relatively recent.  It would seem much has changed in the scientific world since 1881....

Here's my Moon reading list, in which the many harmful and dangerous side-effects of the Moon may be sourced:

Bhattacharjee, C., Bradley, P. et al. (2000) 'Do Animals Bite More During A Full Moon? Retrospective Observational Analysis'. In BMJ: British Medical Journal, Vol. 321, No. 7276. pp. 1559-1561.

Thakur, C. P., & Sharma, D. (1984) 'Full Moon And Crime'. In British Medical Journal (Clinical Research Edition). Vol. 289, No. 6460. pp. 1789-1791.

Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly, pp. 114-119.

Rowbotham, S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co., pp. 141-150.

James,

The references you have given appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with Robotham's claim that moonlight is a "damp, cold, and powerfully septic" and that "vegetable substances exposed to it soon show symptoms of putrefaction".  

The modern studies I have seen document psychological (behavioural) effects of the moon on some animals and individuals, with largely inconclusive results.  More importantly they do not contain anything about the mysterious "physical" effects of moonlight, which incidentally is startlingly similar to sunlight:

Moonlight

Sunlight

Quote from: silver on February 07, 2011, 01:06:55 PM

Would you care as to give me an exact quote so I can find the section instead of having to read all of that text again in detail?

The nonsense starts here...

Quote

The light of the moon is damp, cold, and powerfully septic; and animal and nitrogenous vegetable substances. exposed to it soon show symptoms of putrefaction. Even living creatures by long exposure to the moon's rays, become morbidly affected. It is a common thing on board vessels going through tropical regions, for written or printed notices to be issued, prohibiting persons from sleeping on deck exposed to full moonlight, experience having proved that such exposure is often followed by injurious consequences.

Thank you.

the many harmful and dangerous side-effects of the Moon

You mean the fallicious, baseless guesswork that could be attributed to any other dozens of ailments, environmental factors, and events?

Quote from: Ranger 3 on February 07, 2011, 01:56:12 PM

Quote from: silver on February 07, 2011, 01:06:55 PM

Would you care as to give me an exact quote so I can find the section instead of having to read all of that text again in detail?

The nonsense starts here...

Quote

The light of the moon is damp, cold, and powerfully septic; and animal and nitrogenous vegetable substances. exposed to it soon show symptoms of putrefaction. Even living creatures by long exposure to the moon's rays, become morbidly affected. It is a common thing on board vessels going through tropical regions, for written or printed notices to be issued, prohibiting persons from sleeping on deck exposed to full moonlight, experience having proved that such exposure is often followed by injurious consequences.

Thank you.

You're welcome. But...

Would you care as to give me an exact quote so I can find the section instead of having to read all of that text again in detail?

1. You didn't read it the first time, no need to pretend you did.

2. It's gobbledygook, so you didn't miss anything anyway.

Quote from: James on February 07, 2011, 07:22:36 AM

the many harmful and dangerous side-effects of the Moon

You mean the fallicious, baseless guesswork that could be attributed to any other dozens of ailments, environmental factors, and events?

Reminds me of the lightbulb debate. Do they emit light or do they suck in dark? They must suck in dark, because when they go bad, they turn dark, hence, they must be full of dark.