When will people understand?

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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2011, 03:43:22 PM »
And the second one i listed?

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2011, 03:46:39 PM »
Ya, he isn't reading the articles we posted showing that the quotes he used were totally quote mined.


Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2011, 03:51:32 PM »
guy guys lets stick to the argument about stem cells, and the fact no one is claiming that they have brain waves, So why is harvesting fetal stem cells bad?


So basically by time a women realizes shes pregnant...then its a baby.

Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days on the Electroencephalogram (EEG). H. Hamlin, "Life or Death by EEG," JAMA, Oct. 12, 1964, p. 120

Brain function, as measured on the Electroencephalogram, "appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks gestation," or six weeks after conception. J. Goldenring, "Development of the Fetal Brain," New England Jour. of Med., Aug. 26, 1982, p. 564
but the point is that the stem cells we harvest come from a source that has no brain waves.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2011, 03:51:57 PM »
Fine I void the first quotes.  Even though there is an independent site that backs them up.  

Its hilarious you guys quote science for evolution and global warming but choose to ignore when it doesn't back up your beliefs.  

I mean I actually laugh.

Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2011, 03:53:15 PM »
WARDOGG, why is it wrong harvest fetal stem cells?
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2011, 03:53:48 PM »
Fine I void the first quotes.  Even though there is an independent site that backs them up. 

Its hilarious you guys quote science for evolution and global warming but choose to ignore when it doesn't back up your beliefs. 

I mean I actually laugh.

We are not ignoring science. We are ignoring your application of it.

We don't incorrectly quote people to try and skew their research to support our arguments. That is the difference between us, and you.

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Trekky0623

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2011, 04:00:29 PM »
We're on a complete fucking tangent. We moved from stem cell harvesting to abortion.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2011, 04:08:56 PM »
Killing babies is wrong, for any reason. No babies were harmed or killed in the production of this miracle.

What about parasitic twins? Is it wrong to abort one of them, so that at least one will survive?

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Trekky0623

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2011, 04:24:41 PM »
Just so we're clear, brain activity was measured. Brain waves were not. You can't even measure a fetus's brain with an EEG until 20 to 24 weeks, simply because it does not have the required materials to think with until then. So I would recommend if you are going to abort, the first trimester or early second trimester is fine. Any later and you risk killing a conscious being.

But this is all retarded since fetal stem cell harvesting does not harvest from months old fetuses.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2011, 04:58:53 PM by Trekky0623 »

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Beorn

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2011, 04:26:36 PM »
Fine I void the first quotes.  Even though there is an independent site that backs them up.  

Its hilarious you guys quote science for evolution and global warming but choose to ignore when it doesn't back up your beliefs.  

I mean I actually laugh.

Maybe if you don't quote mine we don't need to ignore it.
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Mr Pseudonym

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2011, 04:57:29 PM »
Basically my thoughts too.

When it's an embryo it's nothing more than a bunch of cells.  It has the same look and consistency of a colony of bacteria.
Once it starts to develop a brain and have actual brain waves, then it's no longer just a collection of cells.

Kinda like your arm isn't a human, it's your arm.  If you cut it off, it's not human even though it holds all your DNA in a bunch of cells.
In fact, if you had to say what makes us Human, you'd have to say it's the brain.

It's not the heart.  People with artificial hearts are still human.
It's not our limbs.  People with missing limbs are still human.

So thus, it's the Brain that makes us Human.  Once that's formed, it's a baby.  Before that, it's a collection of cells.

I actually really like this argument.
Standard argument that divides pro-choicers and pro-lifers down the middle.
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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2011, 06:35:46 AM »
Even though there is an independent site that backs them up.  

No there isn't.

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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: When will people understand?
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2011, 03:37:19 PM »
Killing babies is wrong, for any reason. No babies were harmed or killed in the production of this miracle.

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Adult Stems are sucessful yet again. Why are we still wasting money on Embryonic research? What is it with liberals refusing to believe in science? Adult stem cells lead to cures. Embryonic stem cells do not. The debate is over.

So because adult stem cells are successful in one area, they are in all?