Stealing bandwidth

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Raist

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2011, 09:30:08 AM »
So what if your neighbors aren't home and you use their wifi? Is it stealing since they lost absolutely nothing?

The english language needs a word for taking something that isn't yours but not causing anyone to lose anything.

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EnigmaZV

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2011, 10:07:51 AM »
Sharing is probably the closest we've got.  This would be a case of involuntary sharing, or forced sharing.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »
Sharing is probably the closest we've got.  This would be a case of involuntary sharing, or forced sharing.

Sharing still has the implication that someone doesn't have something they once did for a small amount of time.

"stealing wifi" is just using a renewable resource that wouldn't have been used otherwise in nearly all circumstances.

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2011, 03:59:28 PM »
So what if your neighbors aren't home and you use their wifi? Is it stealing since they lost absolutely nothing?

The english language needs a word for taking something that isn't yours but not causing anyone to lose anything.

Sorta like software piracy?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2011, 04:49:12 PM »
So what if your neighbors aren't home and you use their wifi? Is it stealing since they lost absolutely nothing?

The english language needs a word for taking something that isn't yours but not causing anyone to lose anything.

Call it commensalism. In biology, it's a symbiotic relationship where one creature benefits and the other is unaffected.

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2011, 05:05:51 PM »
Sorta like software piracy?

No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2011, 05:16:55 PM »
Sorta like software piracy?

No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

The publishers voluntarily allow their software to be pirated?  ???
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2011, 05:23:41 PM »
The publishers voluntarily allow their software to be pirated?  ???

What do the publishers have to do with this?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2011, 05:54:34 PM »
The publishers voluntarily allow their software to be pirated?  ???

What do the publishers have to do with this?

They are the "victims" of software piracy.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2011, 06:09:58 PM »
They are the "victims" of software piracy.

Which has what to do with my initial statement?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2011, 08:43:39 PM »
They are the "victims" of software piracy.

Which has what to do with my initial statement?

Nothing at all.  It was in response to this statement.
No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

Please try to keep up, will you?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2011, 08:57:16 PM »
They are the "victims" of software piracy.

Which has what to do with my initial statement?

Nothing at all.  It was in response to this statement.
No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

Please try to keep up, will you?
Ah, so you're basically derailing threads again. Not nice.
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2011, 11:00:10 AM »
SOMEONE STOLE OUR BANDWIDTH

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2011, 11:23:36 AM »
They are the "victims" of software piracy.

Which has what to do with my initial statement?

Nothing at all.  It was in response to this statement.
No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

Please try to keep up, will you?

That was what I meant by "my initial statement." I didn't think it was necessary to specify that I meant my initial statement on the subject, rather than the first thing I ever said.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2011, 11:35:30 AM »
That was what I meant by "my initial statement." I didn't think it was necessary to specify that I meant my initial statement on the subject, rather than the first thing I ever said.

Then perhaps we have different working definitions of the term "initial statement".  Perhaps you should have quoted the statement that you were referring to.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2011, 11:40:32 AM »
Then perhaps we have different working definitions of the term "initial statement".  Perhaps you should have quoted the statement that you were referring to.

In any case, now that we both know which statement I was referring to, perhaps you could explain what your statement had to do with it.

For clarity, by "your statement", I meant this:

They are the "victims" of software piracy.

And by "it", I meant this:

No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2011, 11:59:13 AM »

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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2011, 01:00:41 PM »
Then perhaps we have different working definitions of the term "initial statement".  Perhaps you should have quoted the statement that you were referring to.

In any case, now that we both know which statement I was referring to, perhaps you could explain what your statement had to do with it.

For clarity, by "your statement", I meant this:

They are the "victims" of software piracy.

And by "it", I meant this:

No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

Software publishers do not voluntarily give their software to software pirates.  If they did, then it wouldn't be piracy, would it?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2011, 01:11:24 PM »
Software publishers do not voluntarily give their software to software pirates.  If they did, then it wouldn't be piracy, would it?

What you've said is perfectly true, but completely irrelevant to what I asked for. Try again.
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EnigmaZV

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« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2011, 10:22:56 AM »
Then perhaps we have different working definitions of the term "initial statement".  Perhaps you should have quoted the statement that you were referring to.

In any case, now that we both know which statement I was referring to, perhaps you could explain what your statement had to do with it.

For clarity, by "your statement", I meant this:

They are the "victims" of software piracy.

And by "it", I meant this:

No. In most, probably all cases of software piracy, the giving is entirely voluntary.

Software publishers do not voluntarily give their software to software pirates.  If they did, then it wouldn't be piracy, would it?

Software publishers do, however, voluntarily sell their software to software pirates.  Maybe they should stop doing that if they were so concerned.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2011, 10:32:23 AM »
Software publishers do not voluntarily give their software to software pirates.  If they did, then it wouldn't be piracy, would it?

What you've said is perfectly true, but completely irrelevant to what I asked for. Try again.

Then perhaps you should try saying something relevant.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2011, 11:09:30 AM »
Then perhaps you should try saying something relevant.

Lol wut? You've responded with something irrelevant to what I've said, why is it my responsibility to change my statement to suit your response?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2011, 11:42:45 AM »
They don't need their bandwidth!

Does that make it okay for me to jump onto a half-empty subway without paying?  They don't need the extra space.

Your rights end when you start broadcasting onto my property.

If you blast your stereo all night and it is annoyingly audible from my property I should have the right to call the police.

If you blast free Wi-Fi and it is publically available from my property I should have the right to use it.

If you throw bags of money over the side of my fence I should have the right to keep it.

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« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2011, 11:51:37 AM »
In a way, I have to agree with Tom, that if you are blasting you Wi-Fi strong enough that other people are receiving it, they should have a right to use it. After all, their own Wi-Fi could get interfered with because of yours. I know this to be true because in the dorms, people have all sorts of wireless printers and shit, and I can see like 20 things to connect to. As a result, the interference bogs down my own internet.

So they either need to make their signal strength weaker, or deal with me printing black pages on their printer.

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2011, 12:25:37 PM »
Ethernet.

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« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2011, 01:00:35 PM »
Ethernet.
And not be able to use my shiny iphone with my Wi-Fi from within my dorm room and 2 feet from my computer? 

Madness.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2011, 03:09:31 PM »
In a way, I have to agree with Tom, that if you are blasting you Wi-Fi strong enough that other people are receiving it, they should have a right to use it. After all, their own Wi-Fi could get interfered with because of yours. I know this to be true because in the dorms, people have all sorts of wireless printers and shit, and I can see like 20 things to connect to. As a result, the interference bogs down my own internet.

So they either need to make their signal strength weaker, or deal with me printing black pages on their printer.
Are you retarded? So I need to perfectly adjust my signal strength so it perfectly fits within the boundaries of my property, otherwise it's free for the neighbours to take?
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EnigmaZV

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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2011, 03:13:03 PM »
Correct, or you could simply password protect your signal.  Mine is password protected, and only people with pre-programmed MAC addresses can access my wifi network.
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« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2011, 03:16:34 PM »
Mine too.  Too bad it doesn't stop people parked in my driveway from asking me for the password.  ::)

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2011, 03:27:03 PM »
In a way, I have to agree with Tom, that if you are blasting you Wi-Fi strong enough that other people are receiving it, they should have a right to use it. After all, their own Wi-Fi could get interfered with because of yours. I know this to be true because in the dorms, people have all sorts of wireless printers and shit, and I can see like 20 things to connect to. As a result, the interference bogs down my own internet.

So they either need to make their signal strength weaker, or deal with me printing black pages on their printer.
Are you retarded? So I need to perfectly adjust my signal strength so it perfectly fits within the boundaries of my property, otherwise it's free for the neighbours to take?

As Tom pointed out, it is not unreasonable to ask people to keep their music within the confines of their homes. How is this any different?

Would I be out of line to ask you to build a fence that perfectly fits within the boundaries of your property so that your dog does not shit on my yard?