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Saddam Hussein

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Stealing bandwidth
« on: January 23, 2011, 03:36:15 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/opinion/14rubinstein.html

Why do so many people try to justify this?  It's ridiculous and blatant rationalization, and I think it's yet another sign of the age of technology bringing out the worst in people.

I'm not stealing, I'm just sharing!

Yeah, without permission.  Go ask your neighbors if you can take their bandwidth for free, then I might have more sympathy for you.

People who don't protect themselves are stupid, it's basically offering bandwidth for free!

Yes, they are stupid.  And leaving your door unlocked is also stupid.  That is no more justification for stealing bandwidth than it is for burglary.

They don't need their bandwidth!

Does that make it okay for me to jump onto a half-empty subway without paying?  They don't need the extra space.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 04:04:05 PM »
Then please don't post on these fora as you are spending Daniel's bandwidth.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM »
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 06:09:35 PM »
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.

And how does this enable you to devote 10% of your bandwidth to other users?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2011, 07:04:11 PM »
Quote from: parsec on January 23, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.

And how does this enable you to devote 10% of your bandwidth to other users?


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cmdshft

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2011, 07:22:42 PM »
Quote from: parsec on January 23, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.

And how does this enable you to devote 10% of your bandwidth to other users?

I never said anything about that, just that the guest network can be sandboxed from the main network and restricted. In theory, by restricting to just HTTP browsing and some other protocols (like for AIM and stuff), that can be achieved, especially if you restrict what can be browsed (restrict sites like YouTube, Netflix and other sites that can potentially hog bandwidth).
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 07:46:10 PM »
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: parsec on January 23, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.

And how does this enable you to devote 10% of your bandwidth to other users?

I never said anything about that, just that the guest network can be sandboxed from the main network and restricted. In theory, by restricting to just HTTP browsing and some other protocols (like for AIM and stuff), that can be achieved, especially if you restrict what can be browsed (restrict sites like YouTube, Netflix and other sites that can potentially hog bandwidth).

As can be done on any OS.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2011, 08:12:39 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on January 23, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/opinion/14rubinstein.html

Why do so many people try to justify this?  It's ridiculous and blatant rationalization, and I think it's yet another sign of the age of technology bringing out the worst in people.

I'm not stealing, I'm just sharing!

Yeah, without permission.  Go ask your neighbors if you can take their bandwidth for free, then I might have more sympathy for you.

People who don't protect themselves are stupid, it's basically offering bandwidth for free!

Yes, they are stupid.  And leaving your door unlocked is also stupid.  That is no more justification for stealing bandwidth than it is for burglary.

They don't need their bandwidth!

I see.  I guess that makes it okay for me to jump onto a half-empty subway without paying.
they have a degree in english. they are shit heads

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 08:13:41 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 23, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
they have a degree in english. they are shit heads

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Lol. I thought you would never gonna post here anymore. You're terrible.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2011, 08:54:57 PM »
A guy I work with showed me how to put together a directional Wi-Fi antenna that has a range of up to 3 miles or so for under $100. As soon as I build one, I'ma steal so much internet.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2011, 11:43:34 PM »
Quote from: parsec on January 23, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: Johannes on January 23, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
they have a degree in english. they are shit heads

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Lol. I thought you would never gonna post here anymore. You're terrible.

Just terrible.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2011, 11:57:14 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on January 23, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: parsec on January 23, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: Johannes on January 23, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
they have a degree in english. they are shit heads

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Lol. I thought you would never gonna post here anymore. You're terrible.

Just terrible.

He is.
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Lorddave

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 03:12:41 PM »
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 23, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I've done it and it's saved me.

I had an iPod Touch and no working cell phone while down in NYC to meet someone.  Unfortunately it took me longer to reach the meeting area than I thought it would and I missed her.  Yes this was a date.

Anyway, using open Wi-Fi signals I was able to send her an e-mail and let her know that I didn't chicken out but was late.

If I had more control over my wi-fi signal I may even set it up so that 1% of my bandwidth is open to anyone who needs it.

If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.
If I was willing to pay $200 I may consider it.
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Quote from: wise on May 26, 2023, 05:06:05 AM
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

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cmdshft

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 09:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on January 24, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Quote from: cmdshft on January 23, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
If you use an Apple Airport Extreme base station, you can set up a private network that is password protected, and a guest network that is open and sandboxed from your private one, and I believe you can restrict what can and can't be done on the guest network.
If I was willing to pay $200 I may consider it.


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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 11:07:11 AM »
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 11:21:59 AM »
This thread was derailed from the first reply.  I expected someone like Parsifal to jump in and give this long and eloquent defense of stealing bandwidth.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM »
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 03:57:04 PM »
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

Yeah.
He's in Australia.  He's bandwidth is limited as it is.  If anyone were to steal from him, how would he download every single new Debian Release? :P
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2011, 11:33:46 AM »
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

I am curious to know why Saddam would think this as well.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 11:59:36 AM »
Quote from: Parsifal on January 26, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

I am curious to know why Saddam would think this as well.

Because he doesn't understand the difference between sharing and stealing.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 12:11:44 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 26, 2011, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on January 26, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

I am curious to know why Saddam would think this as well.

Because he doesn't understand the difference between sharing and stealing.

Smartass. :P

I just threw out Parsifal's name randomly.  It's part of his duties to serve as the forum scapegoat.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 12:16:44 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 26, 2011, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on January 26, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

I am curious to know why Saddam would think this as well.

Because he doesn't understand the difference between sharing and stealing.

I think it's more a case of the definition of property.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 01:59:25 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on January 23, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
They don't need their bandwidth!

Does that make it okay for me to jump onto a half-empty subway without paying?  They don't need the extra space.

That is actually something else entirely as the train uses more fuel if you step on. An arbitrarily fast broadband connection isn't going to get slower because I hog a part which isn't used in any other instance.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 07:14:56 PM »
Vaguely related post...

Got a new phone today, the box warns that "In France, WLAN is only to be used indoors"

Erm what? And why?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2011, 10:46:13 PM »
Quote from: frostee on January 26, 2011, 07:14:56 PM
Vaguely related post...

Got a new phone today, the box warns that "In France, WLAN is only to be used indoors"

Erm what? And why?

They eat frogs' legs over there, do you really expect their laws to make sense?
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2011, 11:03:59 PM »
Frog legs are tasty.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2011, 08:25:41 AM »
Quote from: frostee on January 26, 2011, 07:14:56 PM
Vaguely related post...

Got a new phone today, the box warns that "In France, WLAN is only to be used indoors"

Erm what? And why?

The stink will destroy your connection..
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2011, 08:31:48 AM »
5 Ghz is only approved for use indoors. You have to use a different range for outdoor use. It is more a law about interference than where you can use your wifi.

tl;dr your phone doesn't really meet radio transmission standards in france.
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Re: Stealing bandwidth
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2011, 08:11:30 AM »
Quote from: Parsifal on January 26, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on January 25, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Why would Parsifal advocate stealing bandwidth?

I am curious to know why Saddam would think this as well.

Because bandwidth wants to be free.
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