Has the zetetic model contributed anything to the development of humankind?

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You cannot use words like "proof" is a reasoned debate

Yes I can. Rowbotham's work has been confirmed and verified by others. Therefore his work meets the status of "proof".

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Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 19, 2011, 03:58:30 PM

No. Earth Not a Globe proves that the earth is flat. Therefore the shuttle and NASA's other space ventures must be a sham.

Are you suggesting that Rowbotham was infallible in his reasoning?

Rowbotham's work is correct because it has been validated and confirmed by others.

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When you're on your death bed you have better things to think about -- like your impending death, all the people you will be leaving behind, and who will support your family once you are gone.

If it were me, I'd want the world to know the truth before I die. I don't know, I guess I'm just not that much of a coward.

If it the government is willing to take out ex-NASA employee Thomas Baron's family, what makes you think that they wouldn't be willing to take out yours?

Really Tom? You still think that they murdered him with a train?

Zeteticism has not contributed anything to the development of humankind.

Well, either they were murdered or the entire family decided to have a group suicide together by parking their car on some train tracks.

Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled an accident by the Florida Highway Patrol. The investigating trooper concluded that Baron had tried to beat a train at a crossing. Had Baron been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

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When you're on your death bed you have better things to think about -- like your impending death, all the people you will be leaving behind, and who will support your family once you are gone.

If it were me, I'd want the world to know the truth before I die. I don't know, I guess I'm just not that much of a coward.

If it the government is willing to take out ex-NASA employee Thomas Baron's family, what makes you think that they wouldn't be willing to take out yours?

Really Tom? You still think that they murdered him with a train?

Well, either they were murdered or the entire family decided to have a group suicide together by parking their car on some train tracks.

How many family group suicides do you see?

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Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 20, 2011, 04:42:05 PM

Quote from: IOA on January 20, 2011, 04:38:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 20, 2011, 04:30:07 PM

When you're on your death bed you have better things to think about -- like your impending death, all the people you will be leaving behind, and who will support your family once you are gone.

If it were me, I'd want the world to know the truth before I die. I don't know, I guess I'm just not that much of a coward.

If it the government is willing to take out ex-NASA employee Thomas Baron's family, what makes you think that they wouldn't be willing to take out yours?

Really Tom? You still think that they murdered him with a train?

Well, either they were murdered or the entire family decided to have a group suicide together by parking their car on some train tracks.

How many family group suicides do you see?

Thomas Baron's death is ruled an accident by the Florida Highway Patrol. The investigating trooper concluded that Baron had tried to beat a train at a crossing.

Didn't Apollo defenders once claim that Baron had committed suicide?

Yes. That report was based on discussions among historians that occurred in about 2002 but was ultimately revealed to be little more than hearsay. Investigative journalist Gary Corsair reports the findings of the Florida Highway Patrol, and has uncovered no evidence of suicide.

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Runways...yeah, cos the shuttle can land on just any runway - doesnt need one of the longest in the world at all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Landing_Facility

Since the shuttle is not going into space and since it is not traveling at escape-velocity type speeds, I doubt it needs "one of the longest runways in the world" to land.

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And then to build the stack you need the fourth largest building in the world, but I'm sure there are plenty of those around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Assembly_Building

The second fuel stack could be built in the same Vehicle Assembly Building.

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And of course we all know that the shuttle can always launch two weeks or less after it was used. 100% record there, never any technical or weather delays at all.

If there was a delay NASA would just blame it on one of their space projects taking too long. Or a technical issue with re-entry, or they could say that they wanted to wait for weather conditions to improve before re-entry. There a million and one excuses they could give.

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You then have to explain why tugs are fetching another set of boosters out of the sea west of Africa. Claim they are just big fireworks maybe?

Why would they need to fetch them out of the water?

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This is so funny, I can go on picking holes in anything you come back with on this forever. Major FET fail.

You didn't pick any holes.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 20, 2011, 09:30:35 PM

Well, either they were murdered or the entire family decided to have a group suicide together by parking their car on some train tracks.

Tom, you're ignoring a third possibility:

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Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled an accident by the Florida Highway Patrol. The investigating trooper concluded that Baron had tried to beat a train at a crossing. Had Baron been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

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Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 20, 2011, 09:30:35 PM

Well, either they were murdered or the entire family decided to have a group suicide together by parking their car on some train tracks.

Tom, you're ignoring a third possibility:

Quote from: http://www.xmission.com/~jwindley/baron.html

Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled an accident by the Florida Highway Patrol. The investigating trooper concluded that Baron had tried to beat a train at a crossing. Had Baron been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

All streets with train track intersections have train crossings by law. What kind of "accident" did he have?

Zeteticism has not contributed anything to the development of humankind.

Train crossings don't necessarily block traffic when a train is coming, even today.

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Train crossings don't necessarily block traffic when a train is coming, even today.

Actually, they do.

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Train crossings don't necessarily block traffic when a train is coming, even today.

Actually, they do.

Quote from: markjo on January 23, 2011, 07:43:21 PM

Train crossings don't necessarily block traffic when a train is coming, even today.

Actually, they do.

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Train crossings don't necessarily block traffic when a train is coming, even today.

Actually, they do.

According to Transport Canada, in 2002, at least 15 people were killed and 14 seriously injured in 77 railway crossing accidents/collisions in Ontario.  When compared to the national average, 30% of 261 railway-crossing accidents/collisions occured in Ontario.

No, they don't.

All public roads must have gates by law. That road is obviously a little private road leading to someone's farm or something.

Here's an article where the DOT says that all public roads must have gates, but private roads may opt out:

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x98867492/Kentucky-truck-driver-ticketed-after-Yorkville-train-collision

All public crossings in the United States are required to be marked by at least a crossbuck; most crossings intersecting rural roads have this setup. If the crossing has more than one railroad track, the crossbuck will usually have a small sign beneath it denoting the number of tracks. As traffic on the road crossing or the rail crossing increases, safety features are increased accordingly. More heavily trafficked crossings have AWDs, with alternately flashing red lights to warn automobile drivers and a bell to warn pedestrians. Additional safety is attained through crossing gates that block automobiles' approach to the tracks when activated. Increasingly, crossings are being fitted with four-quadrant gates to prevent circumventing the gates.

1.  A crossbuck is a type of YIELD sign: the driver should be prepared to
stop at least 4.5 m (15 ft) before the near rail if necessary, unless and
until the driver can make a reasonable decision that there are no trains
in hazardous proximity to the crossing, and it is safe to cross.

Paragraph (c) of this section
establishes that the private crossings
within a quiet zone must at a minimum
be equipped with crossbucks and
??STOP?? signs conforming to MUTCD
standards together with advance
warning signs in compliance with
? 222.35(c).

I think he just needs to stop clinging desperately to a position once he's chosen it.  Being wrong now and then is okay, Tom.  It's normal.  No need to be ashamed.

Here's an article where the DOT says that all public roads must have gates, but private roads may opt out:

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x98867492/Kentucky-truck-driver-ticketed-after-Yorkville-train-collision

All public roads must have gates by law. That road is obviously a little private road leading to someone's farm or something.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 24, 2011, 04:05:39 PM

All public roads must have gates by law. That road is obviously a little private road leading to someone's farm or something.

You're assuming (incorrectly) that the law is followed everywhere by everyone.