Has the zetetic model contributed anything to the development of humankind?

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And please, don't turn the argument around and accuse modern Science.

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I suppose that it depends on who's definition of zeteticism you use.
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Huh, what has modern science ever done for us? Apart from the aqueduct. And sanitation. And the roads. And irrigation... medicine... education... polio vaccinations... lasers... microchips... aircraft... the internet... funny how all that stuff works flawlessly... except when it proves the Earth is a sphere and then suddenly "nooo, thats a NASA microchip <hushed voice>you can't trust it...</hushed voice>".
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Huh, what has modern science ever done for us? Apart from the aqueduct. And sanitation. And the roads. And irrigation... medicine... education... polio vaccinations... lasers... microchips... aircraft... the internet... funny how all that stuff works flawlessly...

All of that works flawlessly?
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All of that works flawlessly?


Well, your post made it onto this board didn't it? :)

When was the last time you actually saw some of that stuff fail? I don't mean on TV or the net, cos that just proves that some of that stuff is working (the lasers, microchips and internet).
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Are you saying that no plane ever crashed? All medicines work perfectly? Education teaches the truth (as far as we know)?
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Well, your post made it onto this board didn't it? :)

When was the last time you actually saw some of that stuff fail? I don't mean on TV or the net, cos that just proves that some of that stuff is working (the lasers, microchips and internet).

I'm a service technician.  If all of this modern, scientific technology worked flawlessly, then I'd be out of a job.  As it is, I'm pretty busy lately.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

I'm a service technician.  If all of this modern, scientific technology worked flawlessly, then I'd be out of a job.  As it is, I'm pretty busy lately.

So I am I. I'm pretty busy too...mostly caused by stupid people doing stupid things, thats what keeps me in a job.

Occasionally a disc fails or a power supply goes, but thats why we build redundancy into the system. To 99.99% of the users for 99.9999% of the time things work with no problem.

I note your posts are still getting here, internet is still working then!

This is digressing slightly from the original point of....stuff works, until it disproves FET, at which point it is suddenly claimed to be a NASA conspiracy.
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markjo

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This is digressing slightly from the original point of....stuff works, until it disproves FET, at which point it is suddenly claimed to be a NASA conspiracy.

FET doesn't deny that stuff works.  It just questions how certain things work.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

FET doesn't deny that stuff works.  It just questions how certain things work.

Yes, certain things. How convenient.

Changing how certain things work to suit FET causes a cascade of other questions to be asked, before you know it you are patching so many caveats onto FET that its wobbles and crashes down.
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For starters, it can be said that the Zetetic model contributes to humankind by developing individuals with advanced capacities for intuitive and rational thinking leading to logical conclusions and solutions. 

Given the freedom of thought advanced in Zeteticism and how that translates into discovering how the world around us really works, the contributions that have and will be made are endless.

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For starters, it can be said that the Zetetic model contributes to humankind by developing individuals with advanced capacities for intuitive and rational thinking leading to logical conclusions and solutions. 


What is intuitive or rational about moonshrimp, bendy light and UA?
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For starters, it can be said that the Zetetic model contributes to humankind by developing individuals with advanced capacities for intuitive and rational thinking leading to logical conclusions and solutions. 


What is intuitive or rational about moonshrimp, bendy light and UA?

Asking questions is a good thing.  Finding the answers takes more time but studying these things will prove time well spent.  There are specialists in those areas that I am learning from, too. 

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Tom Bishop

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Huh, what has modern science ever done for us? Apart from the aqueduct. And sanitation. And the roads. And irrigation... medicine... education... polio vaccinations... lasers... microchips... aircraft... the internet... funny how all that stuff works flawlessly... except when it proves the Earth is a sphere and then suddenly "nooo, thats a NASA microchip <hushed voice>you can't trust it...</hushed voice>".

Some of those things may have been developed using Zetetic methodology without the person aware that they were using it.

Read Zetetic and Theologic Compared and Defined for a description on how Zeteticism differs compared to other methods of inquiry.

For starters, it can be said that the Zetetic model contributes to humankind by developing individuals with advanced capacities for intuitive and rational thinking leading to logical conclusions and solutions. 

Given the freedom of thought advanced in Zeteticism and how that translates into discovering how the world around us really works, the contributions that have and will be made are endless.

It can be said. Why does that make it correct? Such woolly thinking surely denies everything you just tried to say.

Some of those things may have been developed using Zetetic methodology without the person aware that they were using it.

Oh dear, Tom is at the woolly thinking as well now. Perhaps the space shuttle was developed using Zetetic methodology as well? What kind of conundrum would that present?!
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Oh dear, Tom is at the woolly thinking as well now. Perhaps the space shuttle was developed using Zetetic methodology as well? What kind of conundrum would that present?!

As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.

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I've asked this before, nothing was presented. Zeteticism has not contributed anything to the development of humankind.
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markjo

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Oh dear, Tom is at the woolly thinking as well now. Perhaps the space shuttle was developed using Zetetic methodology as well? What kind of conundrum would that present?!

As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.

Actually, the space shuttle does exist.  Whether or not it actually goes into space as advertised is another matter.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Oh dear, Tom is at the woolly thinking as well now. Perhaps the space shuttle was developed using Zetetic methodology as well? What kind of conundrum would that present?!

As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.

Actually, the space shuttle does exist.  Whether or not it actually goes into space as advertised is another matter.

If it's not going into space it's not really a "space" shuttle, is it?

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As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.
Actually, the space shuttle does exist.  Whether or not it actually goes into space as advertised is another matter.
If it's not going into space it's not really a "space" shuttle, is it?

Yes, because that's what it's called.  Something doesn't cease to exist once you decide you don't like its name.
By eliminating all present contradicting possibilities you would arrive at the present truth. It's impossible to arrive at a future truth.

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As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.
Actually, the space shuttle does exist.  Whether or not it actually goes into space as advertised is another matter.
If it's not going into space it's not really a "space" shuttle, is it?

Yes, because that's what it's called.  Something doesn't cease to exist once you decide you don't like its name.

An empty prop which goes into the upper atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

It's like pointing at a cardboard cutout of a ferarri and calling it a ferarri. It's not a ferarri. It's a cardboard cutout.
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As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.
Actually, the space shuttle does exist.  Whether or not it actually goes into space as advertised is another matter.
If it's not going into space it's not really a "space" shuttle, is it?

Yes, because that's what it's called.  Something doesn't cease to exist once you decide you don't like its name.

An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

It's like pointing at a cardboard cutout of a ferarri and calling it a ferarri. It's not a ferarri. It's a cardboard cutout.

You can call it whatever you want, but it still exists.
By eliminating all present contradicting possibilities you would arrive at the present truth. It's impossible to arrive at a future truth.

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Oh dear, Tom is at the woolly thinking as well now. Perhaps the space shuttle was developed using Zetetic methodology as well? What kind of conundrum would that present?!

As the Space Shuttle does not exist, it would make quite the conundrum.
As Tom Bishop does not exist, we have the terrible conundrum of a claim without a claimant.

At least, I have the evidence of untold thousands of people who have seen the launches of the shuttle, and the films and photographs too. I have no evidence whatsoever that Tom Bishop exists.

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An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

What evidence do you have that the space shuttle is empty on lift off and that it goes no higher than the upper atmosphere?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

It's like pointing at a cardboard cutout of a ferarri and calling it a ferarri. It's not a ferarri. It's a cardboard cutout.

Given that upon launch people can observe the shuttle moving at speeds of thousands of km/h, ie, suborbital speeds at least, its going to travel thousands of km. Where does it go for two weeks? How does it get back?
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Tom Bishop should be awarded a gold medal for having the nerves of steel, putting up with you round earthers.
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An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

What evidence do you have that the space shuttle is empty on lift off and that it goes no higher than the upper atmosphere?

All of the evidence is in Earth Not a Globe.

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Given that upon launch people can observe the shuttle moving at speeds of thousands of km/h, ie, suborbital speeds at least, its going to travel thousands of km. Where does it go for two weeks? How does it get back?

The Space Shuttle goes up in the air until it is out of sight. Where it lands for the two weeks, what happens to it, and how it gets back into the upper atmosphere is, of course, unknown.
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An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

What evidence do you have that the space shuttle is empty on lift off and that it goes no higher than the upper atmosphere?

I read Earth Not a Globe.

So the fake space shuttles were around in the 1800's?
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An empty prop which goes into the uppar atmosphere and down again is not really a Space Shuttle - it's a prop.

What evidence do you have that the space shuttle is empty on lift off and that it goes no higher than the upper atmosphere?

I read Earth Not a Globe.

So the fake space shuttles were around in the 1800's?

No. Earth Not a Globe proves that the earth is flat. Therefore the shuttle and NASA's other space ventures must be a sham.

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markjo

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No. Earth Not a Globe proves that the earth is flat. Therefore the shuttle and NASA's other space ventures must be a sham.

Are you suggesting that Rowbotham was infallible in his reasoning?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.