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Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked

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qwerty789

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Re: 3d
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2006, 03:28:10 PM »
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I happen to work in CG.  I know what the limits are.  


One of those statements is false. I would normally say both, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

5 minutes in MS Paint:



I can't even imagine how much easier and nicer looking it would have been if I used something like photoshop.
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2006, 03:32:38 PM »
All u have done is cut off part of the image.  how is that meant to prove anything?  My other post has been repaired.
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2006, 03:36:11 PM »


This was made in MSPaint, completely from scratch. If that's what you can do with the most basic image software, what can the US government do?

I'm actually a round earther, I just love to debate and play devil's advocate.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2006, 03:44:23 PM »
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All u have done is cut off part of the image.  how is that meant to prove anything?  My other post has been repaired.


I did more than that. Guess I stumped the big bad know it all CG guy with 5 minutes in MS Paint. LOL

There's no curvature anymore. How hard would it be to work the other way around? Say the earth is flat. Curving it wouldn't be at all hard.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2006, 08:35:31 PM »
Thats right. It woudl accualy be easy.
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i changed that flat earth picture into a round earth one. It took me 30 seconds.... so its not as nice as it could be... but yah, you get the point.
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Re: ok
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2006, 06:01:28 PM »
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Quote from: "troy2000"
The Shuttle does not use jets or propellers.  Also, if you really knew the Shuttle's atmospheric flight capabillities, then you would also know that it handles like a brick.  It was designed to be used primarily in space.  It only uses wings to allow it to navigate when it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere(and you doubt it even leaves this).  The Shuttle has no powered flight while in the atmosphere.  This does not sound like a plane to me.


Oh yes it does:



How those aren't 'jets' to you is hilarious.

Also, just because you made a BAD PLANE doesn't mean it still isn't a PLANE. It has wings, and goes through the air. It's a plane.
   

OK lol your an idiot because the small rockets on the shuttle are meant to propel the shuttle into orbit after the other crap is detached. Then by the time its in orbit the fuel is gone. During rentry its lands like a glider thats why it has wings. Also if all this was faked and the shuttle just hides above the clouds it cant happen even if it uses its rockets to stay in the air because rockets cant last longer than a few minutes and a glider cant stay up there for days becuase theres no thrust on a glider it eventually falls within a matter of hours so your completely wrong about the shuttle
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Re: 3d
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 07:23:19 PM »
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Images do not seem to help w prove anything here as many people assume they are fake and CG.  However, I happen to work in CG.  I know what the limits are.  No CG image can possibly be this realistic.  By todays level of technology it is impossible.  But decide for yourself:

This is what I mean at a high altitude:


See the curve?  It really couldn't be any clearer :)



Mate, if you really work in CG (which I doubt after this post) you would know that those pictures are EASILY made in 3d. In fact, I know you don't work in CG.
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 07:34:32 PM »
I have to agree with Rick_James....
You do NOT know what your talking about.
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dysfunction

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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 07:41:40 PM »
Rick James is right, however we have had film from space for decades, and CG technology has not had the ability to produce such realistic imagery during that entire time.
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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 07:49:25 PM »
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CG technology has not had the ability to produce such realistic imagery during that entire time.


CG technology freely available to the public hasn't had the ability...
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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2006, 07:50:00 PM »
As it says somewere, the money NASA used to develolpe spaceships was accualy used to make photo image software.
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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2006, 08:33:42 PM »
BULL SHIT  IN THE 60'S THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE IMAGES LIKE THAT .PERIOD
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dysfunction

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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2006, 08:52:12 PM »
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Quote from: "dysfunction"
CG technology has not had the ability to produce such realistic imagery during that entire time.


CG technology freely available to the public hasn't had the ability...


Fair enough, but there needs to be a limit on the number of things that can be attributed to a conspiracy.
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Rick_James

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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2006, 09:15:47 PM »
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Quote from: "Rick_James"
Quote from: "dysfunction"
CG technology has not had the ability to produce such realistic imagery during that entire time.


CG technology freely available to the public hasn't had the ability...


Fair enough, but there needs to be a limit on the number of things that can be attributed to a conspiracy.


I didn't say anything about a conspiracy - do you deny that the Government (conspiracy or not) posesses technology not yet available to the general public? And that some of this technology we don't yet know about/understand (such as CG in the 60's [possibly])?

This is seperate from the conspiracy claims.

EDIT: Also, why does there need to be a limit? Is there a limit to how many secretive actions a conspiritor may perform as part of his conspiracy?
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dysfunction

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« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2006, 08:14:13 AM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
EDIT: Also, why does there need to be a limit? Is there a limit to how many secretive actions a conspiritor may perform as part of his conspiracy?


No, but there's a limit to the number of assumptions a hypothesis is allowed to make.
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Re: 3d
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2006, 02:43:13 PM »
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Quote from: "troy2000"
Images do not seem to help w prove anything here as many people assume they are fake and CG.  However, I happen to work in CG.  I know what the limits are.  No CG image can possibly be this realistic.  By todays level of technology it is impossible.  But decide for yourself:

This is what I mean at a high altitude:


See the curve?  It really couldn't be any clearer :)



Mate, if you really work in CG (which I doubt after this post) you would know that those pictures are EASILY made in 3d. In fact, I know you don't work in CG.


CG technology can come close to real images, but you will ALWAYS be able to tell the difference.  I was once asked to create a scene of the shuttle in orbit,  I was told that it had to be completely photorealistic.  After several days of modelling and rendering in Lightwave, the end result was quite realistic and almost identical to the original, but was obviously a 3D render.  You can observe many 3D renders done by many 3D artists, but none are COMPLETELY photorealistic.  :D
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Re: 3d
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2006, 05:47:48 PM »
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Quote from: "troy2000"
Images do not seem to help w prove anything here as many people assume they are fake and CG.  However, I happen to work in CG.  I know what the limits are.  No CG image can possibly be this realistic.  By todays level of technology it is impossible.  But decide for yourself:

This is what I mean at a high altitude:


See the curve?  It really couldn't be any clearer :)



Mate, if you really work in CG (which I doubt after this post) you would know that those pictures are EASILY made in 3d. In fact, I know you don't work in CG.


CG technology can come close to real images, but you will ALWAYS be able to tell the difference.  I was once asked to create a scene of the shuttle in orbit,  I was told that it had to be completely photorealistic.  After several days of modelling and rendering in Lightwave, the end result was quite realistic and almost identical to the original, but was obviously a 3D render.  You can observe many 3D renders done by many 3D artists, but none are COMPLETELY photorealistic.  :D


There's 2 obvious problems with your render - first you were using lightwave. O...M...G.... use 3D Studio Max or Maya if you want to feel pretentious...

Secondly, you were making it...
hahahahaha but seriously, photo-realism is achieveable with the correct software and animators.

I would not be the correct animator, because I've had to put my work on hold to try and pin down a full time job (to pay for a new computer that can run the latest version of Max) - however my friend who switched to the Melbourne campus could do a pretty good job - and a professional animator is paid to do that stuff. You think big budget movies fly people into space to get that sweet re-entry shot?  :roll:
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Re: 3d
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2006, 05:51:42 PM »
Quote from: "troy2000"
but you will ALWAYS be able to tell the difference.

Sorry for the double post, but I needed to address this part seperately.

In less than 10 yrs, there will be no more Hollywood. Celebrities as we know it will no longer exist, because we will be able to snimate them perfectly. You won't[/u] be able to tell the difference, and as a result, all major movies will be animated because of the MILLIONS of dollars they will save. No need for actors or lighting or cameras or sets or makeup or wardrobe - even down to stuff like liability insurance for the town they shoot in etc. You are about to see some amazing advancements in CG techonology.
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Re: 3d
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2006, 05:59:55 PM »
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Quote from: "troy2000"
but you will ALWAYS be able to tell the difference.

Sorry for the double post, but I needed to address this part seperately.

In less than 10 yrs, there will be no more Hollywood. Celebrities as we know it will no longer exist, because we will be able to snimate them perfectly. You won't[/u] be able to tell the difference, and as a result, all major movies will be animated because of the MILLIONS of dollars they will save. No need for actors or lighting or cameras or sets or makeup or wardrobe - even down to stuff like liability insurance for the town they shoot in etc. You are about to see some amazing advancements in CG techonology.






CG.
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2006, 06:29:39 PM »
That's a really nice render. And that's done now (or possibly the last couple of years), so imagine how much better it will be in 2, 5, or 10 years.
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« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2006, 01:33:15 AM »
BUMP.

Fuck me that is a good CG pic......

Thats kinda scary though  :evil:
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« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2006, 02:49:40 PM »
Thats a really nice render :).  I agree that CG technology will evolve to the level u mentioned.  But for now, nothing is 100% photoreal.  Even in that render, I can tell that it is not real.  Also, I mainly use Max, but sometimes LW 8 is the only way to get it done.

But anyway, this is going WAY off topic ;).  Can anyone offer an explanation (from FE view) of that high alt photo I posted?
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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2006, 04:13:08 PM »
It's fake.
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Re: Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2006, 06:40:29 PM »
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Quote from: "troy2000"
1: Why does the Shuttle launch at an angle?


To fool you into thinking you know what you think you know.

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2: What happens to the Shuttle after launch?


It goes up for a while.  Eventually, it lands.

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3: How does it re-enter the Earth's atmosphere and land?


That question assumes that it leaves the earth's atmosphere to begin with.

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4: A new devision of Virgin, Virgin Galactic has launch and is offering public trips into a sub-orbit where the customer will experience zero-gavity.  Do you honesty believe that the people who have used this service are lying.


Zero gravity does not contradict FE.  It's how they make movies about astronauts, and is not even a secret.


1: isn't that why you people made a site? to fool yourselves.
2: why hasnt anyone seen it come down after launch? these days you can find someone with a camera everywhere.. watching for something like this to get 15 minutes of fame... or to prove their crackpot theories.
3: sigh
4: not gonna bother touching that one.

it looks like you took 3 seconds to give him those answers... go cruise by another forum.. most people posting provide links, facts, sources, credibility... all the things you lack
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Re: Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2016, 03:55:49 PM »
The space shuttles went up and came down, mostly where planned.  Ditto with the moon launches and the space station launches.

Those launches were big deals, very expensive.  Very hard to imagine that the govt - and private investors - threw away money knowing the Earth is flat and that nothing really orbits.  Also hard to imagine how they managed the trick of that enormous launch sending the rocket up and then the semi-enormous trick of having the landing module come back later.

Even astronomers - in several countries - with optical telescopes and radio telescopes reported seeing the rockets in outer space. 

They couldn't keep this fraud going for thalidomide, so howcome you think they could do it for the space program?
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Re: Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2016, 06:37:41 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2016, 07:20:20 PM »
That is a nice pic, But I saw it before I read it was CG, and I got an uncanny valley vibe. Something about her was too... shiny. It is really good, and in a few years I bet I wouldn't be able to tell, but I could tell now.
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Re: Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2016, 08:03:27 PM »
It's not a pic, it's a video.
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« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2016, 08:09:57 PM »
Quote from: Cartog on August 29, 2016, 03:55:49 PM
The space shuttles went up and came down, mostly where planned.  Ditto with the moon launches and the space station launches.

Those launches were big deals, very expensive.  Very hard to imagine that the govt - and private investors - threw away money knowing the Earth is flat and that nothing really orbits.  Also hard to imagine how they managed the trick of that enormous launch sending the rocket up and then the semi-enormous trick of having the landing module come back later.

Even astronomers - in several countries - with optical telescopes and radio telescopes reported seeing the rockets in outer space. 

They couldn't keep this fraud going for thalidomide, so howcome you think they could do it for the space program?
Why did you feel the need to necro-bump a 10 year old thread?  ???
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