Conspiracy motivation

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markjo

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Re: Conspiracy motivation
« Reply #90 on: January 20, 2011, 03:37:23 PM »
How does GPS work in the middle of the ocean if it needs towers everywhere?

Stratellites.

Stratellite is a registered trademark (owned by SansWire) of a technology that has not yet been operationally deployed.

But has the added advantage of brevity over: "high-altitude stratospheric airship that provides a stationary communications platform for various types of wireless signals usually carried by communications towers or satellites."

But it has the disadvantage of not being in service yet.
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Re: Conspiracy motivation
« Reply #91 on: January 20, 2011, 03:42:45 PM »
If I use the words "Kleenex," "Lego," "Velcro" etc you're are capable enough to understand the object described even if the product wasn't produced by the TM holder. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark
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Re: Conspiracy motivation
« Reply #92 on: January 20, 2011, 03:50:57 PM »
Then please provide evidence that there is a fleet of high altitude devices providing various services that customers who spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build and deploy satellites to do.
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« Reply #93 on: January 20, 2011, 03:52:17 PM »
I think that Cyber Defense Systems has at least tested some of their UAV's over Atlanta.  Apparently they were the low altitude stuff as a raft of people claimed to have seen them.

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« Reply #94 on: January 20, 2011, 03:57:47 PM »
Perhaps I should have added that this fleet of devices must have been in service since the 1960s.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Conspiracy motivation
« Reply #95 on: January 20, 2011, 04:00:43 PM »
Ah well, I'm not privy to any of their back room activities history.

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« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2011, 04:05:38 PM »
Ah well, I'm not privy to any of their back room activities history.

Are you implying that we've secretly had this technology since before the moon landing that you claim didn't happen?
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« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2011, 04:06:50 PM »
Perhaps I should have added that this fleet of devices must have been in service since the 1960s.

Blimps have existed since well before the 1960's.

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« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2011, 04:17:08 PM »
Perhaps I should have added that this fleet of devices must have been in service since the 1960s.

Blimps have existed since well before the 1960's.

But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?
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« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2011, 04:33:23 PM »
Ah well, I'm not privy to any of their back room activities history.

Are you implying that we've secretly had this technology since before the moon landing that you claim didn't happen?

Well, atomic clocks have been around since the early 1950's but that's surely no secret.

Who siad anything about moon landings? 

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« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2011, 04:35:47 PM »
Ah well, I'm not privy to any of their back room activities history.

Are you implying that we've secretly had this technology since before the moon landing that you claim didn't happen?

Well, atomic clocks have been around since the early 1950's but that's surely no secret.

Who siad anything about moon landings? 

You are saying that we had a futuristic technology since before it happened.
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« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2011, 04:41:39 PM »
Yes, I guess. Atomic clocks and airships were both around before 1969.  ???

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« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2011, 04:48:08 PM »
Yes, I guess. Atomic clocks and airships were both around before 1969.  ???

Airships with satellites attached to them that stay in the air for years at a time? It is very recently that we have had the technology to make a high-altitude blimp (due to expansion, the blimp would pop like a weather balloon), and the design was never made due to budget problems.  It was being made by the DoD, not NASA. And it would only have been able to stay in the air for  month.
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« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2011, 04:55:50 PM »
Do not confuse balloon with airship.  I never made a NASA claim either.   ???

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« Reply #104 on: January 20, 2011, 05:25:41 PM »
Do not confuse balloon with airship.  I never made a NASA claim either.   ???

When did I say it was a balloon? And I mentioned NASA while I was pointing out the the DoD is not part of the Conspiracy.
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« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2011, 05:47:29 PM »
What is the 'it' to which you refer?

My posts were about the possibility of high altitude unmanned airships used as platforms for various communication technology and were made in response to Markjo.

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« Reply #106 on: January 20, 2011, 05:57:49 PM »
What is the 'it' to which you refer?

My posts were about the possibility of high altitude unmanned airships used as platforms for various communication technology and were made in response to Markjo.

That's what I was talking about. I don't know where you got so confused. A blimp is an airship is a dirigible is a zeppelin. There are slight differences, but you can more or less use the words interchangeably.
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« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2011, 06:09:42 PM »
I don't think an airship would 'pop' at 60,000 AMSL.  I hope this answers your objections.

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« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2011, 06:18:49 PM »
I don't think an airship would 'pop' at 60,000 AMSL.  I hope this answers your objections.

To lift off the ground, the average zeppelin requires quite a bit of pressure, especially when using Helium. And again, it would need to stay up there for years, where the moost high-tech modern unmanned blimps can stay up for a month when greatly conserving fuel.
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« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2011, 06:21:43 PM »
A life of eighteen months is the stratellite estimate.  Its electric motors are solar-powered.

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« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2011, 07:45:37 PM »
A life of eighteen months is the stratellite estimate.  Its electric motors are solar-powered.

Dear Peach, the question is not what modern technology could satellite functionality?  The question is, what 1960s technology was used to simulate satellite functionality of the day?
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« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2011, 08:20:31 PM »
Dear Peach, the question is not what modern technology could satellite functionality?  The question is, what 1960s technology was used to simulate satellite functionality of the day?

What did they know and when did they know it?  And the question is not what technology was available and known to the public, but rather was the knowledge there to have enabled development.  I contend it was. 

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« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2011, 08:33:06 PM »
Dear Peach, the question is not what modern technology could satellite functionality?  The question is, what 1960s technology was used to simulate satellite functionality of the day?

What did they know and when did they know it?  And the question is not what technology was available and known to the public, but rather was the knowledge there to have enabled development.  I contend it was. 

It's one thing to contend that a certain technology was available to the conspiracy at the time, but it's quite something else to have evidence to support that contention.  There are some that contend that aliens gave advanced technology to Egyptians building the pyramids, but they have no evidence to support that contention other than saying "the ancient Egyptians couldn't possibly have done it otherwise".  Sound familiar?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Mrs. Peach

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Re: Conspiracy motivation
« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2011, 08:44:16 PM »
Markjo dear, I don't do the ancient aliens bit, Egyptian or otherwise.  ;D

Are you contending that the requisite knowledge did not exist? 

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« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2011, 09:27:50 PM »
Blimps existed prior to the 1960's and so did broadcasting antennas. It takes little skill to glue them together.

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« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2011, 12:35:16 AM »
But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?
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« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2011, 01:18:25 AM »
But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?

Since sustained space travel is inherently impossible, yes they were.

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markjo

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« Reply #117 on: January 21, 2011, 06:44:32 AM »
But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?

Since sustained space travel is inherently impossible, yes they were.

Sustained space flight is only impossible if you believe that the earth is flat.  Since hundreds of people have experienced sustained space flight, you appear to be wrong about the earth being flat.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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doyh

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« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2011, 12:37:19 PM »
But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?

Since sustained space travel is inherently impossible, yes they were.

First of all, Petitio Principii. Second, the most high-tech, modern unmanned airship can stay in the air for almost a month. That's a lot, but not compared to 18 months. Do read the arguments before debunking them.
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« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2011, 12:56:47 PM »
But were blimps performing the duties of satellites in the 1960s?

Since sustained space travel is inherently impossible, yes they were.

Nope. As it's been pointed out 5,709,433 times before, there could be 5,709,433 different ways of faking the duties of satellites. All of them flawed.

You just have no imagination is all.

And stop getting in the way of Mrs Peach. She was doing some fine trolling before you butted in.