Flight distance questions

New here, couple of questions directed to FE'ers:

1)Assuming theflat earth as here:

.., it would necesarrily imply that going from tip of S. America to Australia takes a lot of time. Which is clearly false (Just ask anyone who travelled from some high latitude soutern place to another.)
(Note: This map does handles this phenomena in the north, in which correctly north canada and north russia are very close)


2) You bring out the " it's The Conspiracy" card too often.. We've pointed out the extreme impossiblity of such a huge cover-up: Essentially meaning that (just forget about NASA/science now) ordinary aviation companies are involved in it, as the "assumption" of a round earth is used in just everything concerning flight.

I don't want to compare it to the alleged 9/11 cover-up, however a conspiracy of these proportions is much MUCH more difficult and hence unlikely, because many different countries, organizations, NGO's etc should be involved in it.

My former question is just an example, there are tons of contradictionsin FE. However, the single fact that people can't keep secret should do the trick. (I suspect, though, that lots of ppl here are just playing the devil's advocate..)

Yes, they're going to use the Conspiracy card.

They do not have a satisfactory explanation for flight distances between continents, but dismiss this criticism by saying that they do not have an accurate map of the earth yet.

Or, if you're dealing with trolls, they will say that birds push/pull the planes and make them travel faster.

New here, couple of questions directed to FE'ers:

1)Assuming theflat earth as here:

.., it would necesarrily imply that going from tip of S. America to Australia takes a lot of time. Which is clearly false (Just ask anyone who travelled from some high latitude soutern place to another.)
(Note: This map does handles this phenomena in the north, in which correctly north canada and north russia are very close)


2) You bring out the " it's The Conspiracy" card too often.. We've pointed out the extreme impossiblity of such a huge cover-up: Essentially meaning that (just forget about NASA/science now) ordinary aviation companies are involved in it, as the "assumption" of a round earth is used in just everything concerning flight.

I don't want to compare it to the alleged 9/11 cover-up, however a conspiracy of these proportions is much MUCH more difficult and hence unlikely, because many different countries, organizations, NGO's etc should be involved in it.

My former question is just an example, there are tons of contradictionsin FE. However, the single fact that people can't keep secret should do the trick. (I suspect, though, that lots of ppl here are just playing the devil's advocate..)

Let me put it to you this way; If they managed to hide the true shape of the earth from the public, they can surely hide technology. Perhaps the airplanes that take you from South America to Australia just travel a lot faster then lets say an airplane that takes you from Chicago to New York.

Quote from: mathmadx on January 08, 2011, 04:35:29 PM

New here, couple of questions directed to FE'ers:

1)Assuming theflat earth as here:

.., it would necesarrily imply that going from tip of S. America to Australia takes a lot of time. Which is clearly false (Just ask anyone who travelled from some high latitude soutern place to another.)
(Note: This map does handles this phenomena in the north, in which correctly north canada and north russia are very close)


2) You bring out the " it's The Conspiracy" card too often.. We've pointed out the extreme impossiblity of such a huge cover-up: Essentially meaning that (just forget about NASA/science now) ordinary aviation companies are involved in it, as the "assumption" of a round earth is used in just everything concerning flight.

I don't want to compare it to the alleged 9/11 cover-up, however a conspiracy of these proportions is much MUCH more difficult and hence unlikely, because many different countries, organizations, NGO's etc should be involved in it.

My former question is just an example, there are tons of contradictionsin FE. However, the single fact that people can't keep secret should do the trick. (I suspect, though, that lots of ppl here are just playing the devil's advocate..)

Let me put it to you this way; If they managed to hide the true shape of the earth from the public, they can surely hide technology. Perhaps the airplanes that take you from South America to Australia just travel a lot faster then lets say an airplane that takes you from Chicago to New York.

This would be very obvious to detect by airports/pilots/frequent travelers/anynonretartedperson.
Maybe you're someone who can't tell the difference between driving 50mph and 100mph in a car. Of course mental hospitals don't allow patients to drive cars anyway, so I guess that is a moot point.

Quote from: New Earth on January 08, 2011, 06:40:47 PM

Quote from: mathmadx on January 08, 2011, 04:35:29 PM

New here, couple of questions directed to FE'ers:

1)Assuming theflat earth as here:

.., it would necesarrily imply that going from tip of S. America to Australia takes a lot of time. Which is clearly false (Just ask anyone who travelled from some high latitude soutern place to another.)
(Note: This map does handles this phenomena in the north, in which correctly north canada and north russia are very close)


2) You bring out the " it's The Conspiracy" card too often.. We've pointed out the extreme impossiblity of such a huge cover-up: Essentially meaning that (just forget about NASA/science now) ordinary aviation companies are involved in it, as the "assumption" of a round earth is used in just everything concerning flight.

I don't want to compare it to the alleged 9/11 cover-up, however a conspiracy of these proportions is much MUCH more difficult and hence unlikely, because many different countries, organizations, NGO's etc should be involved in it.

My former question is just an example, there are tons of contradictionsin FE. However, the single fact that people can't keep secret should do the trick. (I suspect, though, that lots of ppl here are just playing the devil's advocate..)

Let me put it to you this way; If they managed to hide the true shape of the earth from the public, they can surely hide technology. Perhaps the airplanes that take you from South America to Australia just travel a lot faster then lets say an airplane that takes you from Chicago to New York.

This would be very obvious to detect by airports/pilots/frequent travelers/anynonretartedperson.
Maybe you're someone who can't tell the difference between driving 50mph and 100mph in a car. Of course mental hospitals don't allow patients to drive cars anyway, so I guess that is a moot point.

My thoughts exactly!! 

My flat earth model is an infinite plain with continents and oceans, however I don't believe that our earth is flat, my model only applies to an earth in the parallel universe.

They do not have a satisfactory explanation for flight distances between continents, but dismiss this criticism by saying that they do not have an accurate map of the earth yet.

We perfectly accept the distances are different. However, as Thork has pointed out before, trying to use flight times as evidence for actual distances are invalid since there are dozens of factors that affect the way pilots fly, and their routes.

Or, if you're dealing with trolls, they will say that birds push/pull the planes and make them travel faster.

I do not think anyone has ever suggested that birds will push and pull planes to make them travel faster. That would be ridiculous.

I do not think anyone has ever suggested that birds will push and pull planes to make them travel faster. That would be ridiculous.

As ridiculous as a bunch of fish pushing boats?

Quote from: General Disarray on January 08, 2011, 05:41:48 PM

They do not have a satisfactory explanation for flight distances between continents, but dismiss this criticism by saying that they do not have an accurate map of the earth yet.

We perfectly accept the distances are different. However, as Thork has pointed out before, trying to use flight times as evidence for actual distances are invalid since there are dozens of factors that affect the way pilots fly, and their routes.

Quote from: General Disarray on January 08, 2011, 05:41:48 PM

Or, if you're dealing with trolls, they will say that birds push/pull the planes and make them travel faster.

I do not think anyone has ever suggested that birds will push and pull planes to make them travel faster. That would be ridiculous.

And it was decided in those threads that no amount of normal discrepancies could account for flights consistently arriving in less than half the time as would be possible if any FE maps were even close to accurate.

Also, lurk moar.

Quote from: General Disarray on January 08, 2011, 05:41:48 PM

They do not have a satisfactory explanation for flight distances between continents, but dismiss this criticism by saying that they do not have an accurate map of the earth yet.

We perfectly accept the distances are different. However, as Thork has pointed out before, trying to use flight times as evidence for actual distances are invalid since there are dozens of factors that affect the way pilots fly, and their routes.

You know - flying is far from the only method of transport.  As of yet there has been no credible argument for circumnavigation races that avoid the use of the Suez or Panama canals.

And it was decided in those threads that no amount of normal discrepancies could account for flights consistently arriving in less than half the time as would be possible if any FE maps were even close to accurate.

Also, lurk moar.

I do not think anyone has ever suggested that birds will push and pull planes to make them travel faster. That would be ridiculous.

They can see properly. They are already using genetically modified birds to pull their planes, so they would obviously use genetically enhanced humans to pilot them. These "humans" would have no issue seeing through the distortion.
Another Flat Earth Victory!!!

Birds are required to alter plane flight times!

Berny
Lurks on occasion

Where does it say in those quotes that the birds are pulling and pushing the planes? 

Where does it say in those quotes that the birds are pulling and pushing the planes? 

You do realize that the '/' in 'push/pull' can represent an 'or' condition rather than necessarily an 'and' condition, don't you?  As shown by Berny, you have have claimed that birds are used to pull airplanes. 

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on January 09, 2011, 07:49:50 AM

Where does it say in those quotes that the birds are pulling and pushing the planes? 

You do realize that the '/' in 'push/pull' can represent an 'or' condition rather than necessarily an 'and' condition, don't you?

Precisely. I had thought that anyone who was not intent on just being pedantic and dodging questions in a cowardly manner could understand that.