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Thork

Re: Australia
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2011, 01:51:40 PM »
Bananas do attract other things to it.
Demonstration pls.
Cavendish experiment.
The Cavendish 'Experiment' does not use bananas. It always uses metal objects. Now being as the effects of gravity claimed are so small I would wager that static, electromagnetic forces (the strong and weak forces), radiation, dipole interactions, neutrino masses, quantum tunnelling, photo electric effects, wave particle duality, uncertainty principle, quantum entanglement and a whole heap of other unseen things going on between two metal objects are going to in some way produce a force. So get some bananas and do this experiment right, making sure it can only be gravity.

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Re: Australia
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2011, 01:58:44 PM »
Well yeah, according to how the law of gravity works, it should work for anything.

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Thork

Re: Australia
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2011, 02:03:34 PM »
Well yeah, according to how the law of gravity works, it should work for anything.
Exactly. But I don't believe in gravity. I say something else is at work with the metal balls. Cavendish does not attempt to rule out anything else. He looks for a force of a certain size, sees one and claims it must be what he is looking for.

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Re: Australia
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2011, 02:25:11 PM »
Well yeah, according to how the law of gravity works, it should work for anything.
Exactly. But I don't believe in gravity. I say something else is at work with the metal balls. Cavendish does not attempt to rule out anything else. He looks for a force of a certain size, sees one and claims it must be what he is looking for.

Sounds very zetetic.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Australia
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2011, 02:38:15 PM »
Miles Mathis agrees with Thork that the Cavendish Experiment is deeply flawed. At the level of sensitivity the experiment is working on, macro forces, such as the static force, would have more of an effect on the experiment than any alleged "gravity".

Not only that, but the Cavendish Experiment itself is unreliable as well. In a past thread TheEngineer had this to say about a "Bending Space-Time in the Basement" Cavendish experiment:--

    There seems to me, to be some unexplainable things going on in the experiments.  The second video shows a large return of the balance after it contacts the weights.  Just from looking at the video and using an estimate of the angle and time using the stamp on the video, I've made a liberal estimate of the velocity when it makes contact with the weights.  This will result in a certain kinetic energy at the moment of impact.  Assuming a perfectly elastic collision (again, very liberal), the total energy must be conserved, so that the potential energy gained by the masses must equal the kinetic energy.  Using a simple equation, I've found the gravitational attraction of the weights and masses.  Using the kinetic energy as the maximum potential energy and solving for the distance that the mass can travel, I've found the rebound angle to be 0.126 degrees, not the nearly 30 that is shown in the video.  However, there is also a water brake which should damp this small movement, making the video highly suspect.

    Now, as I have said, I've made assumptions and simplifications (as it's late, I'm tired and I'm not getting paid for this), and those have been on the larger side of things.

    Perhaps I will do an in depth analysis of this if I get bored.

    BTW, it is stated on Wiki:

    "Bending Spacetime in the Basement (do-it-yourself Cavendish apparatus - appears to be seriously flawed[1])"

Ergo we see that this particular instance of the Cavendish experiment is unreliable. Each and every one of us can personally observe in the demonstration videos that gravity does not act in the way predicted by Round Earth Theory.
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Beorn

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Re: Australia
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2011, 02:45:40 PM »
Ergo we see that this particular instance of the Cavendish experiment is unreliable. Each and every one of us can personally observe in the demonstration videos that gravity does not act in the way predicted by Round Earth Theory.

Wait what, are working predictions needed now? Then FE is very far behind.

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IOA

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Re: Australia
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2011, 03:50:43 PM »
Hey, if it comes down to that, show me where all the Dark Energy is underneath the Earth. I want to see it for myself like you all did.

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Re: Australia
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2011, 04:57:07 PM »
Bananas do attract other things to it.
Demonstration pls.
Cavendish experiment.
So the Cavendish experiment will magically make objects float towards my banana? Why, we must be talking about different Cavendish experiments!
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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IOA

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Re: Australia
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2011, 05:23:29 PM »
Hey, if it comes down to that, show me where all the Dark Energy is underneath the Earth. I want to see it for myself like you all did.

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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2011, 02:09:39 AM »
Pizzaface is correct. Rowbotham never mentions the attractive force of bananas. And I have never found myself pulled across a room towards one nor do bananas creep towards me when I enter a room with bananas in it.

If you had instruments sensitive enough to measure a force that small, you might change your story  ::)

Considering that the force of friction is greater than any gravitational attraction on the objects around you, I think you are full of shit.
Now that would depend on the co-efficient of friction wouldn't it. Being as you don't know how much friction the objects in my room have, I suspect you are full of shit.
I also suspect you are also unable to tell me the coefficient of friction for a banana and so are just talking off the top of your head. You've no numbers, you can't observe it, but its RET so it must be true! Ostriches everywhere.   ::)
I have no figures, but this clip suggests that the coefficient of friction of a banana is quite low.

My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Australia
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2011, 04:54:41 PM »
Ergo we see that this particular instance of the Cavendish experiment is unreliable. Each and every one of us can personally observe in the demonstration videos that gravity does not act in the way predicted by Round Earth Theory.

Wait what, are working predictions needed now?

Yes. The Cavendish Experiment must be reliable and testable if it is to be viable as a coherent theory.

It has been shown that the Cavendish Experiment is not relaible. Therefore it is bunk.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2011, 05:51:00 PM by Tom Bishop »

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IOA

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Re: Australia
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2011, 04:56:28 PM »
It has been shown that the Cavendish Experiment is not relaible. Therefore it is bunk.

Hey, if it comes down to that, show me where all the Dark Energy is underneath the Earth. I want to see it for myself like you all did.

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Beorn

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Re: Australia
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2011, 05:16:52 PM »
Ergo we see that this particular instance of the Cavendish experiment is unreliable. Each and every one of us can personally observe in the demonstration videos that gravity does not act in the way predicted by Round Earth Theory.

Wait what, are working predictions needed now?

Yes. The Cavendish Experiment must be reliable and testable if it suppoded to be viable as a coherent theory.

It has been shown that the Cavendish Experiment is not relaible. Therefore it is bunk.

Great way of ignoring the part of the post where I make a point!
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Re: Australia
« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2011, 05:17:25 PM »
Ergo we see that this particular instance of the Cavendish experiment is unreliable. Each and every one of us can personally observe in the demonstration videos that gravity does not act in the way predicted by Round Earth Theory.

Wait what, are working predictions needed now?

Yes. The Cavendish Experiment must be reliable and testable if it suppoded to be viable as a coherent theory.

It has been shown that the Cavendish Experiment is not relaible. Therefore it is bunk.

I'd say that the Cavendish experiment is at least as reliable as the Bedford Levels experiment.  
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Re: Australia
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2011, 05:20:59 PM »
I have experimental proof for gravity. Earlier this evening there was a banana in a bowl across the room from me. During the evening it was attracted towards me, partly because I'm a handsome devil but mostly because I am more massive than it and exhibit larger gravitational force. It did orbit the dog once on the way over.

I'm afraid that soon after the banana arrived at my location I destroyed it so can not repeat the experiment.
The Universal Accelerator is a constant farce.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

From the FAQ - "In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence."

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Thork

Re: Australia
« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2011, 05:46:03 PM »
I have experimental proof for gravity. Earlier this evening there was a banana in a bowl across the room from me. During the evening it was attracted towards me, partly because I'm a handsome devil but mostly because I am more massive than it and exhibit larger gravitational force. It did orbit the dog once on the way over.

I'm afraid that soon after the banana arrived at my location I destroyed it so can not repeat the experiment.
Please provide 'empirical evidence' that the banana orbited your dog.

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Beorn

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Re: Australia
« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2011, 05:49:19 PM »
I have experimental proof for gravity. Earlier this evening there was a banana in a bowl across the room from me. During the evening it was attracted towards me, partly because I'm a handsome devil but mostly because I am more massive than it and exhibit larger gravitational force. It did orbit the dog once on the way over.

I'm afraid that soon after the banana arrived at my location I destroyed it so can not repeat the experiment.
Please provide 'empirical evidence' that the banana orbited your dog.

He can testify that he saw it happen and/or he dreamed it. With FEers that is considered empirical evidence ::)
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Re: Australia
« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2011, 06:15:31 PM »
I linked minds with the dog in question and I can verify the veracity of that statement.
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Re: Australia
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2011, 11:56:19 AM »
Please provide 'empirical evidence' that the banana orbited your dog.

I have photos but as it shows the curved limb of the banana so you will probably denounce it as a NASA fake.
The Universal Accelerator is a constant farce.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

From the FAQ - "In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence."

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Re: Australia
« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2011, 05:34:11 PM »
Please provide 'empirical evidence' that the banana orbited your dog.

I have photos but as it shows the curved limb of the banana so you will probably denounce it as a NASA fake.

Everyone knows that bananas are flat.
If we would all stop deflecting questions, maybe we could get somewhere.