Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?

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Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« on: December 31, 2010, 12:25:41 PM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 01:01:07 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 04:46:28 PM »
Another one of these threads?

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 04:51:23 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.

But none as dramatic and conclusive.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 05:08:08 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.

But none as dramatic and conclusive.

What would going to Antarctica prove?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 05:10:18 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.

But none as dramatic and conclusive.

What would going to Antarctica prove?

Lurk moar.
How dare you have the audacity to demand my deposition. I've never even heard of you.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 05:15:23 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.

But none as dramatic and conclusive.

What would going to Antarctica prove?

Lurk moar.

It would merely determine whether or not Antarctica is the rim; it would not determine the shape of the Earth.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 10:43:09 PM »
It would determine whether or not anyone actually believes in FET
If we would all stop deflecting questions, maybe we could get somewhere.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2010, 10:45:17 PM »
There are a lot easier, cheaper and warmer ways of debunking FET than by schlepping all the way to Antarctica.

But none as dramatic and conclusive.

What would going to Antarctica prove?

Lurk moar.

It would merely determine whether or not Antarctica is the rim; it would not determine the shape of the Earth.

But if you were to sail around it recording your latitude and using a celestial compass to verify South and ensure your gyrocompass's drift was accounted for on a daily base you can conclude weather or not Antarctica contains the Pole.  You can also while there observe how the stars rotate and how they do not match the current Flat Earth Model.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 08:38:07 PM »

But if you were to sail around it recording your latitude and using a celestial compass to verify South and ensure your gyrocompass's drift was accounted for on a daily base you can conclude weather or not Antarctica contains the Pole.  You can also while there observe how the stars rotate and how they do not match the current Flat Earth Model.

Berny
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Again.
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How exactly do you propose that we counteract the fish-nudging effect Berny?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23669.msg504097#msg504097

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 09:02:53 PM »

But if you were to sail around it recording your latitude and using a celestial compass to verify South and ensure your gyrocompass's drift was accounted for on a daily base you can conclude weather or not Antarctica contains the Pole.  You can also while there observe how the stars rotate and how they do not match the current Flat Earth Model.

Berny
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Again.
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How exactly do you propose that we counteract the fish-nudging effect Berny?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23669.msg504097#msg504097
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You eat them.


Really -  waste free food?

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 01:30:34 PM »

But if you were to sail around it recording your latitude and using a celestial compass to verify South and ensure your gyrocompass's drift was accounted for on a daily base you can conclude weather or not Antarctica contains the Pole.  You can also while there observe how the stars rotate and how they do not match the current Flat Earth Model.

Berny
Tierra Del Fuego here we come!
Again.
Went to place the just poured the best beers.


How exactly do you propose that we counteract the fish-nudging effect Berny?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23669.msg504097#msg504097
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You eat them.


Really -  waste free food?

Berny
Ask a silly question get a real response.


Do you mock me?  How do you expect anyone to take any of your experiments seriously when you blatantly ignore core tenets of Flat Earth Theory?  It's like trying to prove the age of something by carbon dating but completely ignoring the possibility that you may be dating a bottom-feeder.  Sure you can date it's age, but no one is going to accept your outcome. 

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 02:26:38 PM »
Do you mock me?  How do you expect anyone to take any of your experiments seriously when you blatantly ignore core tenets of Flat Earth Theory? 

Since when is fish nudging a core tenet of FET?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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berny_74

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 02:37:31 PM »
Do you mock me?  How do you expect anyone to take any of your experiments seriously when you blatantly ignore core tenets of Flat Earth Theory? 

Since when is fish nudging a core tenet of FET?

You can tell me where my sarcasm meter should be.
But IRL fresh shark is absolutely delicious.

Berny
IRL so is fresh Tuna, fresh Mahi-mahi and most fresh fish.
Except Salmon.
Garbage.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 03:58:39 PM »
Do you mock me?  How do you expect anyone to take any of your experiments seriously when you blatantly ignore core tenets of Flat Earth Theory? 

Since when is fish nudging a core tenet of FET?

Except Salmon.
Garbage.


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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 04:04:01 PM »
It would determine whether or not anyone actually believes in FET
I guess no one HERE does, and I doubt anyone, anywhere who is not psychotic does.

What am I getting at?   Well, here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=12504.0
the board admin suggests a book that explains the origins of FE belief.     This book does NOT promote the belief,
but instead explains how and why it got started.

I'm disappointed, I thought I was going to have fun with the believers ... now I realize that there probably aren't any,
it's all a joke being played on those of us who DON'T believe.   ;)
Pizzaguy IS about the most informative and logical REer here.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 04:44:35 PM »
Some say that this some members of this site are agents of the conspiracy here to discredit true Flat Earth believers.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 02:37:08 PM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 03:07:54 PM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.

I've been as far as Punta Arena's Chile, southernmost point of the mainland of South America.  If you don't land anywhere on Antarctica there is no reason for them stopping you.  It is open sea lanes - but if you want to ignore weather warnings in the shrieking sixties be my guest.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2011, 06:48:14 PM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.

I've been as far as Punta Arena's Chile, southernmost point of the mainland of South America.  If you don't land anywhere on Antarctica there is no reason for them stopping you.  It is open sea lanes - but if you want to ignore weather warnings in the shrieking sixties be my guest.

Berny
Miss the Churrascaria's.

I had booked a trip on a helicopter.  My schedule did not make it possible to change this or make other plans without there being issues with the rest of the trip.  I was on a fairly tight schedule to hit everything I needed to for research and pleasure.

I was also in Punta Arenas.  I was actually just thinking about that city the other day. I had collected several textures for use in my game dev hobby there and was making use of one (a green barn door) the other day.

Luckily, I was still able to gather data from the boat which casted doubt on the round earth model.  Especially when rounding the tip.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2011, 06:55:10 PM »

I had booked a trip on a helicopter.  My schedule did not make it possible to change this or make other plans without there being issues with the rest of the trip.  I was on a fairly tight schedule to hit everything I needed to for research and pleasure.

I was also in Punta Arenas.  I was actually just thinking about that city the other day. I had collected several textures for use in my game dev hobby there and was making use of one (a green barn door) the other day.

Luckily, I was still able to gather data from the boat which casted doubt on the round earth model.  Especially when rounding the tip.

Pleasure in Punta Arenas?  After a week and so it was pretty boring.  Spent so long there waiting for engine parts we had to miss our leg to Pitcairn Island.  Was able to stay a little longer at Easter Island at least.  You would have to show that data for it to be relevant though.

Also that pic in profile was taken near Punta Arenas.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2011, 07:02:34 PM »
No, pleasure in South America.  Only had a day in Punta Arenas.  I wish I had dedicated more time there.

Indeed, the data is not relevant to this discussion then.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.

I've been as far as Punta Arena's Chile, southernmost point of the mainland of South America.  If you don't land anywhere on Antarctica there is no reason for them stopping you.  It is open sea lanes - but if you want to ignore weather warnings in the shrieking sixties be my guest.

Berny
Miss the Churrascaria's.

I have also been in Punta Arenas. If anything else, the fact that the longest daytime (in December) is almost the whole day should be a good indication that FE "theories" are bunk. The Sun was taking the path that we all expected (a very long path without ever getting very high, giving enough light to not need artificial light from before we woke up till past 9 pm at night).

We have been hearing about John's trip for years, now, and it seems clear that we will never see his notes, or a book with his conclusions. I don't remember if those notes were the ones that he lost, so please tell us if you find that information (nothing is gained waiting for notes that were already lost).

There is nothing noteworthy on someone's idea of taking a helicopter flight and see what everyone else has seen in postcards and photos. If he even had the intention of discovering something he would have had a better plan, like making some observations with a telescope, or something. Or maybe he wanted to just fly over an armed penguin or an armed guard and take a snapshot with his 200 dollar camera?

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 08:17:35 AM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.

I've been as far as Punta Arena's Chile, southernmost point of the mainland of South America.  If you don't land anywhere on Antarctica there is no reason for them stopping you.  It is open sea lanes - but if you want to ignore weather warnings in the shrieking sixties be my guest.

Berny
Miss the Churrascaria's.

I have also been in Punta Arenas. If anything else, the fact that the longest daytime (in December) is almost the whole day should be a good indication that FE "theories" are bunk. The Sun was taking the path that we all expected (a very long path without ever getting very high, giving enough light to not need artificial light from before we woke up till past 9 pm at night).

Leads to the real question - why so many of us here have been to Punta Arenas of all places?  Next thing we know we'll have a support group for all of us who went to the Galapagos.

Berny
Err yeah.  And Robinson Crusoe Island.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2011, 02:06:31 AM »
I think they Wouldnt go to Antartica as it would Prove the Earth isn't FLat, they'd probably Mistake a Cliff as an Ice wall...
A bit Cowardly it seems.

Also, why Antarctica? they could in any direction just going straight if they wanted to reach the Edge.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2011, 02:59:07 AM »
I Think you should probably Lurk a Whole lot moar.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2011, 08:47:32 PM »
Wow, I didn't see that coming at all.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 09:20:58 PM »
Wow, I didn't see that coming at all.

We were all thinking it. Unless you are gonna explain to every noob how all of FET works every time they ask, don't complain when we tell them to lurk.

Nearly every single regular here has learned the art of lurking. Got to start somewhere.

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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2011, 02:47:52 AM »
Hey I've heard about this ignoring thing that seems to work quite well maybe we could try that instead of showing how horrible a community can be.
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Re: Why doesn't the FES fund a trip to the South Pole?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2011, 11:59:04 AM »
The Flat Earth Society should go to Antarctica themselves.  They should fund a mission to go to Antarctica in the form of either a serious trip or one of those Antarctica cruises.  When they get there they should document the whole thing.  They could show what they see down there and find out for themselves whether the ice wall exists or not.

Thoughts?
I attempted to travel there but was denied access once I arrived at the southmost point of SA.  This was likely due to weather issues, though I must admit even as a non-believer in the conspiracy, it was suspicious.

I've been as far as Punta Arena's Chile, southernmost point of the mainland of South America.  If you don't land anywhere on Antarctica there is no reason for them stopping you.  It is open sea lanes - but if you want to ignore weather warnings in the shrieking sixties be my guest.

Berny
Miss the Churrascaria's.

I had booked a trip on a helicopter.  My schedule did not make it possible to change this or make other plans without there being issues with the rest of the trip.  I was on a fairly tight schedule to hit everything I needed to for research and pleasure.

I was also in Punta Arenas.  I was actually just thinking about that city the other day. I had collected several textures for use in my game dev hobby there and was making use of one (a green barn door) the other day.

Luckily, I was still able to gather data from the boat which casted doubt on the round earth model.  Especially when rounding the tip.

what did you find?