Is it possible..

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Is it possible..
« on: December 27, 2010, 07:08:00 AM »
This is an odd concept that I've been thinking about lately. Is it possible for us to conceive of something that is physically impossible? You can talk about unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters, but neither of those things are physically impossible. I've been trying to think of something which could never exist under any circumstances, but I haven't been able to. I'm not talking about abstract concepts here like married bachelors or square circles. Those are just issues with language and naming. 
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Mr Pseudonym

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 07:23:16 AM »
Time travel?

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 07:24:32 AM »
No because going really really fast = time travel.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 10:11:34 AM »
Careful now, you may very well prove the existance of God.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 11:54:16 AM »
I think he's essentially saying: Can I think something that can't be thought. Otherwise...I have no idea...
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 03:56:22 PM »
Go back in time and kill your grandfather. You will then not exist, and not kill your grandfather. You will then exist because you did not kill your grandfather (as you never existed) and you will be In an infinite loop of magna-patricide. But you assassination attempt was a failure as he is infinitely resurrected.
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 04:10:05 PM »
There was an argument I read somewhere for the impossibility of god, or omnipotence in general.

Basically, it asks if god can create a stone so heavy that he can't lift it. If he can, then he isn't omnipotent due to not being able to lift it, and if he can't, he isn't omnipotent due to not being able to create it. In both cases he can't be omnipotent.

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 04:19:30 PM »
No because going really really fast = time travel.
No it doesn't.  You are doing it wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 04:28:22 PM »
A molecule being made up of matter and anti-matter simultaniously and stable.

Two magets having their like poles attract.

The sun suddenly burning up all of it's fuel and collapsing into a cold iron ball in a matter of 10 minutes.

Generating more energy than you put into a system assuming a closed system.

Pi is rational and finite.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 05:21:52 PM »
What about a magnetic monopole?

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 06:54:59 PM »
An unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 07:49:59 PM »
I like to contemplate the contents of the zero.

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 07:54:45 PM »
I can imagine a photon stationary in a vacuum, which is not possible, yet I can imagine it.
Or a sensible post by Parsifal. But that's a little far fetched.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 08:33:03 PM »
I like to contemplate the contents of the zero.



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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010, 09:23:22 PM »
No because going really really fast = time travel.
No it doesn't.  You are doing it wrong.

If you were to travel at the speed of light away from earth, travel a distance of 5 light years and come back 10 years later, then it would appear to those on Earth that you had gone and come back instantly but you would still be 10 years older.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2010, 09:39:57 PM »
I can imagine a photon stationary in a vacuum, which is not possible, yet I can imagine it.

How do you know it is not possible?
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2010, 10:24:32 PM »
A molecule being made up of matter and anti-matter simultaniously and stable.

Two magets having their like poles attract.

The sun suddenly burning up all of it's fuel and collapsing into a cold iron ball in a matter of 10 minutes.

Generating more energy than you put into a system assuming a closed system.

Pi is rational and finite.

That's the purpose of this thought process; to figure out if things we think we know to be true, are really true or not. It does no good to just ignore them and say that they are true without constantly examining them. This is how discoveries are made and how we further our intelligence.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2010, 11:14:44 PM »
wut?
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2010, 01:18:19 AM »
No because going really really fast = time travel.
No it doesn't.  You are doing it wrong.

If you were to travel at the speed of light away from earth, travel a distance of 5 light years and come back 10 years later, then it would appear to those on Earth that you had gone and come back instantly but you would still be 10 years older.

Technically, what you are describing is happening right now to Earth and everybody on it. I am pretty sure that what Mr Pseudonym meant was to travel backwards in time, which would be a bit trickier, if not impossible.
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2010, 05:07:47 AM »
No because going really really fast = time travel.
No it doesn't.  You are doing it wrong.

If you were to travel at the speed of light away from earth, travel a distance of 5 light years and come back 10 years later, then it would appear to those on Earth that you had gone and come back instantly but you would still be 10 years older.

Technically, what you are describing is happening right now to Earth and everybody on it. I am pretty sure that what Mr Pseudonym meant was to travel backwards in time, which would be a bit trickier, if not impossible.

Correct.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2010, 06:45:55 AM »
I can imagine a photon stationary in a vacuum, which is not possible, yet I can imagine it.

How do you know it is not possible?

The same way you do. Troll somewhere else.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2010, 09:33:12 AM »
A molecule being made up of matter and anti-matter simultaniously and stable.

Two magets having their like poles attract.

The sun suddenly burning up all of it's fuel and collapsing into a cold iron ball in a matter of 10 minutes.

Generating more energy than you put into a system assuming a closed system.

Pi is rational and finite.

That's the purpose of this thought process; to figure out if things we think we know to be true, are really true or not. It does no good to just ignore them and say that they are true without constantly examining them. This is how discoveries are made and how we further our intelligence.

The Pi thing I know is not rational and infinite.  I've done the math.
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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2010, 10:01:42 AM »
There was an argument I read somewhere for the impossibility of god, or omnipotence in general.

Basically, it asks if god can create a stone so heavy that he can't lift it. If he can, then he isn't omnipotent due to not being able to lift it, and if he can't, he isn't omnipotent due to not being able to create it. In both cases he can't be omnipotent.

This proves nothing except that the author fails to understand omnipotence.

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2010, 12:39:16 PM »
Am I the only one that doesn't understand what the OP is looking for?
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
I'm not sure even the OP understands what the OP is looking for.

The question is doubly ambiguous. Firstly, physical impossibility is not a fixed notion. Science continues to move the goalposts: it makes possible that which was once impossible.

Secondly, there are varying degrees of conception. I can 'conceive' of a cure for cancer in the vague sense of it being logically possible, but I cannot conceive of it in a complete sense. So in the first sense, yes: it is possible to vaguely conceive of any physically impossible thing. In the second sense, no: it is not possible to completely conceive of a physically impossible thing, otherwise it would no longer be physically impossible.

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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 10:37:27 AM »
I like to contemplate the contents of the zero.



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Funny dat.  ;D

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2010, 03:00:28 PM »
Walk on the surface of the sun nekkid. I can imagine it, but it hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of happening.
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2010, 03:01:45 PM »
Am I the only one that doesn't understand what the OP is looking for?

It does seem a bit open to interpretation.

I immediately thought of this:
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Is it possible..
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2010, 04:47:19 PM »
Am I the only one that doesn't understand what the OP is looking for?

It does seem a bit open to interpretation.

I immediately thought of this:


I made one of those out of wood.

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2010, 07:06:54 PM »
I made one of those out of wood.
Excuse my pedantry... It may have looked like it from one angle, but it's called an impossible shape for a reason.  ;)
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.