Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy

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General Disarray

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2010, 09:29:52 AM »
Where did I say your evidence had to be through the scientific method? I expected that you would provide the evidence that had convinced you. Why would you provide evidence that had no meaning to you personally?

You also asked me to provide you with evidence that there isn't a teapot in elliptical orbit around the sun.  I assume this belief of yours has some evidence that there is such a thing.  Please provide it.

You asked me to disprove a claim that I hadn't seen any evidence for at the time, so I invoked the example of Russel's Teapot to show that was a fallacious argument technique.

Also, you haven't answered my question: what evidence convinced you that there was water on the moon?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2010, 09:32:42 AM »
There is some evidence now that there is this "lunar dew" chelated with other molecules as well as possible ice in craters. This has been found by space probes though, so Peach should not be advocating it. Way to pick and choose.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2010, 09:37:14 AM »
You asked me to disprove a claim that I hadn't seen any evidence for at the time, so I invoked the example of Russel's Teapot to show that was a fallacious argument technique.

Also, you haven't answered my question: what evidence convinced you that there was water on the moon?

Yes, you asked me to provide evidence of something you considered to be fallacious.  Now, provide me with your evidence that water does not exist on the moon as I originally asked, something you considered to be true.

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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2010, 09:46:31 AM »
Yes, you asked me to provide evidence of something you considered to be fallacious.  Now, provide me with your evidence that water does not exist on the moon as I originally asked, something you considered to be true.

How do you know I considered water on the moon to be fallacious?

Also, you haven't answered my question: what evidence convinced you that there was water on the moon?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2010, 09:49:08 AM »
Okay.  You believed it all along.   ;D

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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2010, 09:57:19 AM »
Also, you haven't answered my question: what evidence convinced you that there was water on the moon?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2010, 10:01:20 AM »
I will answer with the answer you found so convenient:  How do you know I am convinced there is water on the moon?

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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2010, 10:04:08 AM »
I will answer with the answer you found so convenient:  How do you know I am convinced there is water on the moon?

It's no secret that the topmost moon material contains water molecules known as 'lunar dew.'  The microscopic individuals of the biomass that James describes may be subsisting on this.
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« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2010, 10:09:15 AM »
Now you understand we are speaking of molecular water instead of water as a liquid.  I am not convinced there is liquid water on the moon.  Are you?

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2010, 10:18:55 AM »
It's quite obvious that molecular water exists on the moon; how else is the biomass sustaining itself?

I begin to think that you're never going to answer one single question put to you.  I shall, of course, not continue this monologue lest you accuse me of a one-sided fallacy.  At some point you are obligated to join the discussion.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2010, 10:20:19 AM »
It's quite obvious that molecular water exists on the moon; how else is the biomass sustaining itself?

Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works...
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2010, 10:41:28 AM »
Now you understand we are speaking of molecular water instead of water as a liquid.  I am not convinced there is liquid water on the moon.  Are you?

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2010, 11:06:08 AM »
I hate to side with the flattists here, but if you do a Google search for lunar dew  some stuff does come up that looks sound. Also, was my post up there invisible or what?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2010, 12:35:54 PM »
The only "zetetic" reasoning that there is water on the moon seems to be that it is needed for the moon shrimp to live. No one has yet provided any justification that these bio-luminescent moon creatures exist.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2010, 01:13:18 PM »
I might just as well ask you to supply evidence that water does not exist on the moon.

Actually, water has been discovered to exist on the moon in the form of ice found in deep craters near the lunar poles.  However, since NASA is the agency that discovered this water, I hardly think that it qualifies as evidence that any self respecting FE'er would consider to be valid.
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« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2010, 01:16:32 PM »
Which is why I've been trying to ask what the zetetic justification for this water on the moon (and ultimately the evidence for bio-luminescent life on the moon) is. I highly doubt any FE'ers have been there to see for themselves!
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« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2010, 03:43:48 PM »
How do you know they're shrimp like bacteria? How do you know they're not more like spiders? Or lizardlike creatures? Or frogs? Or mushrooms with legs? Do you have one in a jar?
You won't answer this question.

I experienced a telepathic episode recently, in which I achieved mystical contact with several such beings.  This was how I became more aware of their form and nature, having previously merely deduced it from the ample empirical evidence.  In this manner I have learnt many secrets of the universe.  The secrets I have learnt through empirical study have been greater of quantity, but perhaps the secrets I have learnt through mystical experience have been more profound.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2010, 03:46:21 PM »
How do you know they're shrimp like bacteria? How do you know they're not more like spiders? Or lizardlike creatures? Or frogs? Or mushrooms with legs? Do you have one in a jar?
You won't answer this question.

I experienced a telepathic episode recently, in which I achieved mystical contact with several such beings.  This was how I became more aware of their form and nature, having previously merely deduced it from the ample empirical evidence.  In this manner I have learnt many secrets of the universe.  The secrets I have learnt through empirical study have been greater of quantity, but perhaps the secrets I have learnt through mystical experience have been more profound.

Would you mind sharing some of this ample empirical evidence with us?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2010, 04:44:17 PM »
I experienced a telepathic episode recently, in which I achieved mystical contact with several such beings. 

Have you ever heard the saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"?  Even on a forum that claims that the earth is flat, I'd say that this qualifies as an extraordinary claim.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2010, 05:10:25 PM »
How do you know they're shrimp like bacteria? How do you know they're not more like spiders? Or lizardlike creatures? Or frogs? Or mushrooms with legs? Do you have one in a jar?
You won't answer this question.

I experienced a telepathic episode recently, in which I achieved mystical contact with several such beings.  This was how I became more aware of their form and nature, having previously merely deduced it from the ample empirical evidence.  In this manner I have learnt many secrets of the universe.  The secrets I have learnt through empirical study have been greater of quantity, but perhaps the secrets I have learnt through mystical experience have been more profound.

And you asked me not to refer to you as Mad James... bloody hell.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #81 on: December 30, 2010, 05:13:14 PM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #82 on: December 30, 2010, 05:41:05 PM »
having previously merely deduced it from the ample empirical evidence.

Would you mind sharing some of this ample empirical evidence with us?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2010, 05:45:42 PM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

"There are stranger things, Horatio, than you have dreamed of, in Heaven and on Earth, than you have dreamed of in your philosophy" - Prince Hamlet of Denmark, 1601.

I'm more than willing to admit that there are a lot of strange things out there that defy explanation.  However, unless and/or until sufficient evidence is presented to prove or disprove their existence, I remain unconvinced but open minded. 
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2010, 05:47:27 PM »
I would like at some point to answer the original post with which I very much disagree, but I first wanted to clarify that the idea of biological life on the moon is absurd as far as I am concerned.

Which is why I've been trying to ask what the zetetic justification for this water on the moon (and ultimately the evidence for bio-luminescent life on the moon) is. I highly doubt any FE'ers have been there to see for themselves!

No offense to James, but I quite agree with you here.  

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2010, 06:44:10 AM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

"There are stranger things, Horatio, than you have dreamed of, in Heaven and on Earth, than you have dreamed of in your philosophy" - Prince Hamlet of Denmark, 1601.

I'm more than willing to admit that there are a lot of strange things out there that defy explanation.  However, unless and/or until sufficient evidence is presented to prove or disprove their existence, I remain unconvinced but open minded. 

If you open your spiritual mind to the Moon, perhaps you too will experience mystical communion with it.
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« Reply #86 on: December 31, 2010, 07:06:15 AM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

"There are stranger things, Horatio, than you have dreamed of, in Heaven and on Earth, than you have dreamed of in your philosophy" - Prince Hamlet of Denmark, 1601.

I'm more than willing to admit that there are a lot of strange things out there that defy explanation.  However, unless and/or until sufficient evidence is presented to prove or disprove their existence, I remain unconvinced but open minded. 

If you open your spiritual mind to the Moon, perhaps you too will experience mystical communion with it.
James, since you have a spiritual connection to the moon, can you address the OP? why does this moon not violate conservation of energy?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #87 on: December 31, 2010, 07:43:08 AM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

"There are stranger things, Horatio, than you have dreamed of, in Heaven and on Earth, than you have dreamed of in your philosophy" - Prince Hamlet of Denmark, 1601.

I'm more than willing to admit that there are a lot of strange things out there that defy explanation.  However, unless and/or until sufficient evidence is presented to prove or disprove their existence, I remain unconvinced but open minded. 

If you open your spiritual mind to the Moon, perhaps you too will experience mystical communion with it.

James, stop trolling in the upper forums.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #88 on: December 31, 2010, 08:03:29 AM »
having previously merely deduced it from the ample empirical evidence.

Would you mind sharing some of this ample empirical evidence with us?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2010, 08:20:06 AM »
By what possible means would you propose that I corroborate a psychic event which occured in the past? I am happy to describe it in detail, however, for the benefit of those whose minds have not been so completely shut down by Globularist dogma that they cannot comprehend the possibility of such an event.

"There are stranger things, Horatio, than you have dreamed of, in Heaven and on Earth, than you have dreamed of in your philosophy" - Prince Hamlet of Denmark, 1601.

I'm more than willing to admit that there are a lot of strange things out there that defy explanation.  However, unless and/or until sufficient evidence is presented to prove or disprove their existence, I remain unconvinced but open minded. 

If you open your spiritual mind to the Moon, perhaps you too will experience mystical communion with it.
James, since you have a spiritual connection to the moon, can you address the OP? why does this moon not violate conservation of energy?

The Moon is an ecosystem like any other. As one life disappears, so another appears, everything always exchanging with its opposite and back again in harmonious interchange.
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