Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2010, 03:35:06 PM »

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evidence?


The Moon emits light.

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Why would we not be able to learn their secrets? we have telescopes.


We can see them, we just can't see their inner workings.

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We would be able to create (and mass-produce, since they breed) extremely efficient solar panels and solve the world's energy problem.

We can't reach them, space travel is impossible.

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You'll be winning a Nobel prize.

I'm just referencing others research. Its a team effort.

Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2010, 04:33:50 PM »

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evidence?


The Moon emits light.
not sufficient, evidence that they are produced by extremely-efficient bioluminescent creatures?
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Why would we not be able to learn their secrets? we have telescopes.


We can see them, we just can't see their inner workings.
something the size of shrimp is easily detectable at 3000 miles. Even their activities are detectable with modern technology. (we have detected the great red spot on Jupiter, which is much farther away than 3000 miles.)
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We would be able to create (and mass-produce, since they breed) extremely efficient solar panels and solve the world's energy problem.

We can't reach them, space travel is impossible.
we can still try to re-create it.
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You'll be winning a Nobel prize.

I'm just referencing others research. Its a team effort.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »
The whole idea is flawed, in my opinion. If the moon is luminous by bio-luminescence, there may be several sources of energy. It is certainly not a closed system. There is light from the sun, reflected light from the earth. There are obvious scars from previous impacts with stellar ejecta, perhaps accounting for an increase in mass. There may be internal heat or energy absorbed by the solar wind ionization being re-flouresced as visible light. None of these things violate conservation of energy.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2010, 06:14:12 PM »
There is light from the sun,
spotlight sun is at the same height as the moon, and since it's a spotlight, it can't get to it.
reflected light from the earth.
how is this absorbed and turned into light? also explain how they achieve such high efficiencies.
There are obvious scars from previous impacts with stellar ejecta perhaps accounting for an increase in mass.
but not current impacts? we don't see regular impacts on the moon
There may be internal heat or energy
still violates conservation of energy
absorbed by the solar wind ionization being re-flouresced as visible light.
spotlight sun. same height as moon
Also, one more thing. The shrimp reproduce, and the dead ones fall to the earth, according to another FE'er

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There should be like... trillions of dead bodies of those creatures given that the moon has been shining since the beginning of the times...

No, you see the dead ones, lose their grip and fall to earth as explained here.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/falls_sky.html

They definitely exist as explained here.
http://www.raleys.com/www/apps/recipes/recipe.jsp?recipeid=1080613
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2337453120102585871NbhpYa
http://www.chihsinyang.com/project3/Seafood1-2.html

Filipino shrimp collectors, need then only follow the moon around the earth, to collect the dead shrimp for their recipes. Its a multi-million dollar industry.

Therefore, not only does it have to have a source of energy, the moon also has to have a source of mass. Therefore, a light is not enough.

Also, at Danukenator123, we can reach the moon shrimp, we can clone them, we can build extremely efficient solar panels, go claim your nobel prize.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2010, 06:17:33 PM by wecl0me12 »
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2010, 07:08:47 PM »
There is light from the sun,
spotlight sun is at the same height as the moon, and since it's a spotlight, it can't get to it.

It is *roughly* the same height. It is further away as evidenced by the solar eclipse.

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reflected light from the earth.
how is this absorbed and turned into light? also explain how they achieve such high efficiencies.
Flourescence? Biochemical processes?

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There are obvious scars from previous impacts with stellar ejecta perhaps accounting for an increase in mass.
but not current impacts? we don't see regular impacts on the moon
We don't see half the moon (the far side) at any time. It's the side most likely to be in contact with stellar ejecta/meteoric material.


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There may be internal heat or energy
still violates conservation of energy
Only if someone is implying the moon will eternally produce light based only on the radiant energy of it's core.

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absorbed by the solar wind ionization being re-flouresced as visible light.
spotlight sun. same height as moon
The Northern lights are frequently visible when the moon is above. Ergo the moon is able to moving through these ionized particles.


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Also, one more thing. The shrimp reproduce, and the dead ones fall to the earth, according to another FE'er

As much as the idea of "moon shrimp" falling to the earth makes me smile, I don't think I take Thork's assertion seriously.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2010, 08:54:50 PM »
As much as the idea of "moon shrimp" falling to the earth makes me smile, I don't think I take Thork's assertion seriously.

He did provide recipes.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2010, 02:01:06 AM »
Why do you say lunar sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures are impossible onthe moon when we have them here on earth? Bot earth and the moon are not clossed systems. You simply have a double standard that is inhibiting you from thinking scientific-like.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2010, 02:03:09 AM »
The moon's distance changes. Sometimes it's closer and sometimes it's further. That's why it appears bigger at times. However, its average distance is the same as the sun.

Your source of this information, if you please?

Have you never seen the moon larger at times and smaller at times?

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2010, 04:11:52 AM »
The moon's distance changes. Sometimes it's closer and sometimes it's further. That's why it appears bigger at times. However, its average distance is the same as the sun.

Your source of this information, if you please?

Have you never seen the moon larger at times and smaller at times?

I was talking about its average distance being the same as that of the Sun. Address that, please.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2010, 05:16:52 AM »
Like some type of ordanary matter that doesn't exsist on earth? Since there is no matter on earth that does this. All the scientists on earth have not found such a matertial.

If you are going to make claims, please back them up or stop trolling.

Ordinary matter exists on Earth. Assuming this theory, it's more likely that it's the being creating the bioluminescent light which doesn't exist on Earth.

If you're going to make claims, please spell them properly or stop trolling.
What sort of matter would you be refering to and does the term chemical potential mean anything to you?

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2010, 05:47:21 AM »
There is light from the sun,
spotlight sun is at the same height as the moon, and since it's a spotlight, it can't get to it.

It is *roughly* the same height. It is further away as evidenced by the solar eclipse.
OK, and the moon gets energy from there, but it's just light.
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reflected light from the earth.
how is this absorbed and turned into light? also explain how they achieve such high efficiencies.
Flourescence? Biochemical processes?
how? explain how thy got to such high efficiencies.
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There are obvious scars from previous impacts with stellar ejecta perhaps accounting for an increase in mass.
but not current impacts? we don't see regular impacts on the moon
We don't see half the moon (the far side) at any time. It's the side most likely to be in contact with stellar ejecta/meteoric material.
the moon craters would change shape, however, it does not. Also, the meteors would be held up by the UA and never hit the moon unless they are aligned perpendicular to the UA, or collide.

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There may be internal heat or energy
still violates conservation of energy
Only if someone is implying the moon will eternally produce light based only on the radiant energy of it's core.
I'm glad that you agree with me.
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absorbed by the solar wind ionization being re-flouresced as visible light.
spotlight sun. same height as moon
The Northern lights are frequently visible when the moon is above. Ergo the moon is able to moving through these ionized particles.
just photons, not enough

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Also, one more thing. The shrimp reproduce, and the dead ones fall to the earth, according to another FE'er

As much as the idea of "moon shrimp" falling to the earth makes me smile, I don't think I take Thork's assertion seriously.
therefore, there would be trillions of dead bodies on the moon, where would they go? they can't just stay on the moon, as it would get noticeably bigger.

Why do you say lunar sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures are impossible onthe moon when we have them here on earth? Bot earth and the moon are not clossed systems. You simply have a double standard that is inhibiting you from thinking scientific-like.

The earth is much bigger than the moon, and the earth does not drop large masses of material onto the moon.
There's also the problem of reproducing, and since that involves creating new mass, light is just not enough, as photons have nearly no mass. We also have moon rocks falling to earth, so why is it that you don't take Thork seriously? They could be the dead bodies! Moon rocks are also in the hands of private collectors, and displayed in museums. They have also been stolen many times, surely someone would have noticed shrimp-like creatures on the rock. They can't be all faked, as the meteorite team found them in antarctica, and a geologist confirmed that it comes from the moon (source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6620370/ns/technology_and_science-space/), unless you are saying the geologists are also part of the conspiracy, which will be too much to all bribe.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2010, 06:28:33 AM »
Why do you say lunar sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures are impossible onthe moon when we have them here on earth?

Perhaps because there has been no liquid water observed on the moon.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2010, 07:28:37 AM »
Like some type of ordanary matter that doesn't exsist on earth? Since there is no matter on earth that does this. All the scientists on earth have not found such a matertial.

If you are going to make claims, please back them up or stop trolling.

Ordinary matter exists on Earth. Assuming this theory, it's more likely that it's the being creating the bioluminescent light which doesn't exist on Earth.

If you're going to make claims, please spell them properly or stop trolling.
What sort of matter would you be refering to and does the term chemical potential mean anything to you?

Typical FE method of attacking the spelling and not the topic.

If you read the my whole post, you will see that in the first sentence I attacked the topic. Typical RE method of attacking the person not the topic.

My point is: it depends on the creature, not the matter, which matters regarding the possibility to convert the matter to energy. Much like a mitochondrion can use oxygen to create energy.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2010, 08:58:59 PM »
The Moon is incredibly dense; the only life on its surface are primitive shrimp-like bacteria who are not inclined towards human Reason.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2010, 09:05:35 PM »
The Moon is incredibly dense; the only life on its surface are primitive shrimp-like bacteria who are not inclined towards human Reason.

Just out of curiosity, how do these shrimp-like bacteria survive with no known sources of liquid water or any discernible atmosphere on the moon?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2010, 10:40:53 PM »
Lunar dew would be a possible source.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2010, 12:19:35 AM »
Lunar dew would be a possible source.
Just out of curiosity, how do these shrimp-like bacteria survive with no known sources of liquid water or any discernible atmosphere on the moon?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2010, 07:48:11 AM »
Lunar dew would be a possible source.
Just out of curiosity, how do these shrimp-like bacteria survive with no known sources of liquid water or any discernible atmosphere on the moon?


It's no secret that the topmost moon material contains water molecules known as 'lunar dew.'  The microscopic individuals of the biomass that James describes may be subsisting on this.


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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2010, 08:06:46 AM »
Lunar dew would be a possible source.
Just out of curiosity, how do these shrimp-like bacteria survive with no known sources of liquid water or any discernible atmosphere on the moon?


It's no secret that the topmost moon material contains water molecules known as 'lunar dew.'  The microscopic individuals of the biomass that James describes may be subsisting on this.



Evidence?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2010, 08:10:58 AM »
"Maybe" sounds like a random guess.
Lunar dew would be a possible source.
Just out of curiosity, how do these shrimp-like bacteria survive with no known sources of liquid water or any discernible atmosphere on the moon?


It's no secret that the topmost moon material contains water molecules known as 'lunar dew.'  The microscopic individuals of the biomass that James describes may be subsisting on this.



Evidence?
No FEer has ever provided evidence. Mainly because they cannot.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2010, 08:31:42 AM »
I might just as well ask you to supply evidence that water does not exist on the moon.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2010, 08:44:32 AM »
I might just as well ask you to supply evidence that water does not exist on the moon.

You clearly said "it's no secret". I'm asking you where you heard that, and what evidence you have to support that conclusion. Also, prove there isn't a teapot in elliptical orbit around the sun.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2010, 08:48:51 AM »
Well, we must keep in mind that these fellows are probably RE guys and anything they say is no doubt biased:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/07/university-of-tennessee-researchers.html

Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2010, 08:54:34 AM »
and what about the vacuum of space?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2010, 08:58:08 AM »
Well, we must keep in mind that these fellows are probably RE guys and anything they say is no doubt biased:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/07/university-of-tennessee-researchers.html

A great example of FE'ers cherry-picking science only when it suits them and saying it is worthless at all other times. Which is it? Do you believe in the results produced by the scientific method, or don't you?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2010, 09:01:18 AM »
and what about the vacuum of space?

Space would more likely be described as a partial vacuum, I think.  We are speaking here on the possibility of water molecules existing in the upper layers of moon material which would be available to the life James describes. 

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2010, 09:02:53 AM »
Well, we must keep in mind that these fellows are probably RE guys and anything they say is no doubt biased:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/07/university-of-tennessee-researchers.html

A great example of FE'ers cherry-picking science only when it suits them and saying it is worthless at all other times. Which is it? Do you believe in the results produced by the scientific method, or don't you?

Lol, you want it both ways.  You are, of course, free to believe those fellows or not.

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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2010, 09:09:29 AM »
The Moon is incredibly dense; the only life on its surface are primitive shrimp-like bacteria who are not inclined towards human Reason.

How do you know they're shrimp like bacteria? How do you know they're not more like spiders? Or lizardlike creatures? Or frogs? Or mushrooms with legs? Do you have one in a jar?
You won't answer this question.
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2010, 09:17:21 AM »
Well, we must keep in mind that these fellows are probably RE guys and anything they say is no doubt biased:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/07/university-of-tennessee-researchers.html

A great example of FE'ers cherry-picking science only when it suits them and saying it is worthless at all other times. Which is it? Do you believe in the results produced by the scientific method, or don't you?

Lol, you want it both ways.  You are, of course, free to believe those fellows or not.

Where did I say your evidence had to be through the scientific method? I expected that you would provide the evidence that had convinced you. Why would you provide evidence that had no meaning to you personally?
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Re: Bio-luminescent moon and conservation of energy
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2010, 09:20:51 AM »
Where did I say your evidence had to be through the scientific method? I expected that you would provide the evidence that had convinced you. Why would you provide evidence that had no meaning to you personally?

You also asked me to provide you with evidence that there isn't a teapot in elliptical orbit around the sun.  I assume this belief of yours has some evidence that there is such a thing.  Please provide it.