End of Don't ask, Don't tell

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2010, 05:44:37 AM »
Every gay person is either in a relationship or constantly having sex?

This is news to me.  And let's not get into straight couples and blowjobs/anal...

So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #61 on: December 24, 2010, 06:01:15 AM »
They can get discharged for anal/oral sex they had outside of the military? Gah, I hope we don't have any heterosexual soldiers who are fans of anal sex or blowjobs. ::)

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2010, 06:27:08 AM »
So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, what it means is that they can't have sexual relationships with their fellow soldiers.  Whether or not they happen to be in a relationship back home is not the military's concern.

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« Reply #63 on: December 24, 2010, 06:49:00 AM »
What Saddam said.  Something tells me Wardogg is Conservative.
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« Reply #64 on: December 24, 2010, 06:56:05 AM »
What Saddam said.  Something tells me Wardogg is Conservative.


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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2010, 07:13:41 AM »
Every gay person is either in a relationship or constantly having sex?

This is news to me.  And let's not get into straight couples and blowjobs/anal...

So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, it's not a given.  It's not a given that anyone is having sex at all.  Maybe the gays just like to cuddle, lol. 

Wardogg, do you personally have an issue with gays serving in the military? If you do, can you explain it?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2010, 09:15:08 AM »
So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, what it means is that they can't have sexual relationships with their fellow soldiers.  Whether or not they happen to be in a relationship back home is not the military's concern.

Show me that in the UCMJ.....and even if that is the case, then now they can be gay, they just cant be gay with each other?  Just civilians?


No, it's not a given.  It's not a given that anyone is having sex at all.  Maybe the gays just like to cuddle, lol. 

Wardogg, do you personally have an issue with gays serving in the military? If you do, can you explain it?

I have a problem with the benefits they are trying to accomplish with this.  This repeal isn't about DADT.  They are already allowed to serve in the military.  Have been ever since Ive been in.  I signed up in '93, the same year this went into effect.  Don't get any ideas out there.....  ;)  I have known, for a fact, that a few people I have served with were gay.  Mostly Navy Corpsman, no Marines, but nevertheless they were in the unit.  The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Its something Ive learned to live with.  Honestly my biggest complaint is what the repeal means towards benefits.  That, and that this was pushed through during the lame duck session. 





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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2010, 09:21:42 AM »
So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, what it means is that they can't have sexual relationships with their fellow soldiers.  Whether or not they happen to be in a relationship back home is not the military's concern.

Show me that in the UCMJ.....and even if that is the case, then now they can be gay, they just cant be gay with each other?  Just civilians?

Yeah, dude. Just like the same thing says no blowjobs. The same rules that apply to military personnel don't apply to civilians. When the soldiers go home, they can have all the sex they want.

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2010, 09:22:54 AM »
So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, what it means is that they can't have sexual relationships with their fellow soldiers.  Whether or not they happen to be in a relationship back home is not the military's concern.

Show me that in the UCMJ.....and even if that is the case, then now they can be gay, they just cant be gay with each other?  Just civilians?

Yeah, dude. Just like the same thing says no blowjobs. The same rules that apply to military personnel don't apply to civilians. When the soldiers go home, they can have all the sex they want.

Does this mean they can plow a mule, but not the army mule?

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2010, 09:42:46 AM »
So ok....now they can be gay....they just cant admit that they are in a relationship.  Got it.

You have to prove heterosexuals do that.....with homosexuals, its a given.

No, what it means is that they can't have sexual relationships with their fellow soldiers.  Whether or not they happen to be in a relationship back home is not the military's concern.

Show me that in the UCMJ.....and even if that is the case, then now they can be gay, they just cant be gay with each other?  Just civilians?

Yeah, dude. Just like the same thing says no blowjobs. The same rules that apply to military personnel don't apply to civilians. When the soldiers go home, they can have all the sex they want.

Does this mean they can plow a mule, but not the army mule?

You'd have to worry about state laws.

Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2010, 10:05:47 AM »
I have a problem with the benefits they are trying to accomplish with this.  This repeal isn't about DADT.  They are already allowed to serve in the military.  Have been ever since Ive been in.  I signed up in '93, the same year this went into effect.  Don't get any ideas out there.....  ;)  I have known, for a fact, that a few people I have served with were gay.  Mostly Navy Corpsman, no Marines, but nevertheless they were in the unit.  The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Its something Ive learned to live with.  Honestly my biggest complaint is what the repeal means towards benefits.  That, and that this was pushed through during the lame duck session. 

Benefits for you are ok, but benefits for gay couples, if it ever goes that way are not.  Would you care to explain the logic in that?


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« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2010, 10:07:23 AM »
What Saddam said.  Something tells me Wardogg is Conservative.


Sarcasm is so unappreciated these days.  And here of all places.  :(
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2010, 10:10:26 AM »
What Saddam said.  Something tells me Wardogg is Conservative.


Sarcasm is so unappreciated these days.  And here of all places.  :(

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2010, 10:26:25 AM »
Show me that in the UCMJ

Show me where in the UCMJ it says you can go fishing on a nice day.

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and even if that is the case, then now they can be gay, they just cant be gay with each other?  Just civilians?

I don't think they would be allowed to have any sexual relationship at all, no matter the gender, while they're deployed or on active duty.

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2010, 11:56:25 AM »
It seems like wardogg is actually trying to make an argument now instead of blatantly trolling...but I can't really figure out what it is.
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2010, 01:18:55 PM »
No, it's not a given.  It's not a given that anyone is having sex at all.  Maybe the gays just like to cuddle, lol. 

Wardogg, do you personally have an issue with gays serving in the military? If you do, can you explain it?

I have a problem with the benefits they are trying to accomplish with this.  This repeal isn't about DADT.  They are already allowed to serve in the military.  Have been ever since Ive been in.  I signed up in '93, the same year this went into effect.  Don't get any ideas out there.....  ;)  I have known, for a fact, that a few people I have served with were gay.  Mostly Navy Corpsman, no Marines, but nevertheless they were in the unit.  The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Its something Ive learned to live with.  Honestly my biggest complaint is what the repeal means towards benefits.  That, and that this was pushed through during the lame duck session. 

What does it mean regarding benefits?  Are you worried that the gays who were forced out are going to ask for back pay, or something?  I don't know why the lame duck session would bother you, at all. 

About the rest of your argument (gays in the shower), that is just silly. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2010, 03:57:21 PM »
It's bullshit that there was any compromise to let gays serve in the military. What's next, are we going to let brown people serve?

I agree, but in reality we must take baby steps to acheive equality. As nice as it sounds, the world isn't going to wake up one day and give up inequality. 

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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2010, 04:13:35 PM »
Not just bigger, but it's more well equipped.
Yes, that is another consequence of the States spending 32x more per year on warfare than Canada does. And yet, somehow, the multiple trillions of dollars worth of funding spent waging pointless and unwinnable wars in the Middle East seem to evaporate into nothing as soon as the public discourse turns to actually providing a basic level of first-world healthcare to its own people. Fact: the USA cares more about killing Islamic insurgents than it does about saving and preserving the livelihoods of its own citizens.

Fact: the agenda of a presidential administration =/= the opinions of the entire nation.

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2010, 04:18:33 PM »
Not just bigger, but it's more well equipped.
Yes, that is another consequence of the States spending 32x more per year on warfare than Canada does. And yet, somehow, the multiple trillions of dollars worth of funding spent waging pointless and unwinnable wars in the Middle East seem to evaporate into nothing as soon as the public discourse turns to actually providing a basic level of first-world healthcare to its own people. Fact: the USA cares more about killing Islamic insurgents than it does about saving and preserving the livelihoods of its own citizens.

Fact: the agenda of a presidential administration =/= the opinions of the entire nation.

Except during a campaign.

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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2010, 04:21:36 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.
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« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2010, 04:22:18 PM »
Not just bigger, but it's more well equipped.
Yes, that is another consequence of the States spending 32x more per year on warfare than Canada does. And yet, somehow, the multiple trillions of dollars worth of funding spent waging pointless and unwinnable wars in the Middle East seem to evaporate into nothing as soon as the public discourse turns to actually providing a basic level of first-world healthcare to its own people. Fact: the USA cares more about killing Islamic insurgents than it does about saving and preserving the livelihoods of its own citizens.

Fact: the agenda of a presidential administration =/= the opinions of the entire nation.

Except during a campaign.

Are you implying that we should have the foresight to elect a candidate that we think won't go around starting wars? How could we possibly know that.
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« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2010, 04:26:14 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.

So just because black people have been discriminated against for x amount of years it means we should just let things lie? No, it was a good point. You are wrong.
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2010, 04:29:54 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.

So just because black people have been discriminated against for x amount of years it means we should just let things lie? No, it was a good point. You are wrong.

terrible analogy is terrible...
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« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2010, 04:30:11 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.

So just because black people have been discriminated against for x amount of years it means we should just let things lie? No, it was a good point. You are wrong.

Not only do I not understand your point, I find it remarkable how you're pointing to an example of how discrimination is bad in an attempt to justify a different form of discrimination.

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« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2010, 04:33:10 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.

So just because black people have been discriminated against for x amount of years it means we should just let things lie? No, it was a good point. You are wrong.

Not only do I not understand your point, I find it remarkable how you're pointing to an example of how discrimination is bad in an attempt to justify a different form of discrimination.

It's a fairly simple concept. Maybe you should try to understand it a little better?
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2010, 04:36:57 PM »

The problem I've always seen was one of fairness.  If gay men are allowed to check out other men in the showers of say the gym, that they are sexually attracted to(or women for that matter), then I should be allowed to shower with women that I am sexually attracted to.   Alls fair and equal right?

Excellent point.

No its not...straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with equitable treatment. I suppose you could claim that it's ultimately not fair, but there's nothing that can be done about that. It's always happened and always will happen.

So just because black people have been discriminated against for x amount of years it means we should just let things lie? No, it was a good point. You are wrong.

Not only do I not understand your point, I find it remarkable how you're pointing to an example of how discrimination is bad in an attempt to justify a different form of discrimination.

It's a fairly simple concept. Maybe you should try to understand it a little better?

Excellent point  ::)
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« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2010, 04:39:16 PM »
You seem to be arguing that because a certain amount of time has passed we should forget about discrimination.
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #87 on: December 24, 2010, 04:43:19 PM »
you seem to not understand my argument.
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Re: End of Don't ask, Don't tell
« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2010, 04:45:15 PM »
How did men showering with men become a form of discrimination?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2010, 04:45:35 PM »
straight men have been showering with gay men for as long as there were communal showers and wherever there are communal showers.
The chains of habit are too weak to be felt until they are too strong to be broken. -Samuel Johnson