Explain why we can see artifical satellites from the ground with the naked eye

Quote from: IOA on December 24, 2010, 09:12:32 PM

Have you never read 1984? Erasing information like it was never there is quite effective.

So you imply that Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four" was covered up so well it would seem it was never there? In that case, I believe it's impossible for me to have read it.
Question is: How did you read it, Mr. Not-a-conspirator-in-the-slightest?
ITT: A PIECE OF FICTION PROVES EVERYTHING

You critically misinterpreted my post, and my point is that if a conspiracy wanted to, they could wipe out information like it was never there (at least, a conspiracy suiting the nature of the Flat Earth conspiracy). Also, as for your "transparent" text, see "Earth is not a sphere".

So basically, since I haven't gotten this website removed and killed everyone who ever admitted to believing in it, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not a conspirator.

 

Quote from: IOA on December 24, 2010, 07:41:07 PM

Quote from: Ski on December 24, 2010, 04:00:04 PM

Are you near the coast, perhaps?

Yes, a city nearby Boston.

If you can take photographs of some ships at the visual horizon with- and without the aidof some ships at the visual horizon with- and without the aid of the telescope, I think that would be fantastic.

Hmm...I don't know when I'll next be in Boston, and whether or not it'll be practical for me to carry a telescope with me. In fact, I don't even have an attachment for that telescope to attach to my camera. If somebody else has better equipment, that would be a better experiment to try.

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on December 24, 2010, 09:34:05 PM

Quote from: IOA on December 24, 2010, 09:12:32 PM

Have you never read 1984? Erasing information like it was never there is quite effective.

So you imply that Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four" was covered up so well it would seem it was never there? In that case, I believe it's impossible for me to have read it.
Question is: How did you read it, Mr. Not-a-conspirator-in-the-slightest?
ITT: A PIECE OF FICTION PROVES EVERYTHING

You critically misinterpreted my post, and my point is that if a conspiracy wanted to, they could wipe out information like it was never there (at least, a conspiracy suiting the nature of the Flat Earth conspiracy). Also, as for your "transparent" text, see "Earth is not a sphere".

What's "Earth is not a sphere"?
Waaaait... I REMEMBER YOU! You still haven't lurked, have you?

So basically, since I haven't gotten this website removed and killed everyone who ever admitted to believing in it, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not a conspirator.

Why? Because Orwell wrote that's what would happen?

Hmm...I don't know when I'll next be in Boston, and whether or not it'll be practical for me to carry a telescope with me. In fact, I don't even have an attachment for that telescope to attach to my camera. If somebody else has better equipment, that would be a better experiment to try.

Ah, I had mis-read your post. I thought you had the attachment already. Apologies.

What's "Earth is not a sphere"?
Waaaait... I REMEMBER YOU! You still haven't lurked, have you?

"Earth is not a Globe", whatever. Wilmore even (quite ironically) mistyped "rif.org" in another thread; it's easy to make mistakes.

Quote from: IOA on December 24, 2010, 09:59:46 PM

So basically, since I haven't gotten this website removed and killed everyone who ever admitted to believing in it, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not a conspirator.

Why? Because Orwell wrote that's what would happen?

No. That example is admittedly not completely relevant because it's a piece of fiction, but there's no reason it couldn't be carried out like it was in the book. Regardless of that example, it would be completely possible for me (assuming I'm a conspirator) to have the website shut down and have all of you killed if not taking action meant the uncovering of a worldwide conspiracy. Also, it would have already happened, since this website has already been reported by journalists all over the place. Actually, if those hadn't been reported jokingly, that would probably completely debunk the possibility of the conspiracy. But, since I've seemed to take this website more seriously than a bunch of journalists, I would have viewed the forum to be more of a direct threat, since it would cause people to consider the idea of a flat earth more seriously...

Like I said, I'm not a conspirator, because you would all be dead.

Like I said, I'm not a conspirator, because you would all be dead.

I think the disappearance of prominent members of the Movement would raise more eyebrows than not.

Quote from: IOA on December 25, 2010, 05:02:46 PM

Like I said, I'm not a conspirator, because you would all be dead.

I think the disappearance of prominent members of the Movement would raise more eyebrows than not.

Movement, as in bowel?

Movement, as in bowel?

Excellent post, my friend. Since there's not much content to respond to, I'll focus on your grammar and punctuation. I'm terribly sorry to inform you that it's not too good. You see, you somehow managed to make three mistakes in one sentence; it certainly doesn't help that the sentence consists of four words.
My suggestions as a qualified specialist would be:

• Obtain an English language textbook.
• Put some effort into your content so that resorting to grammar Nazism is an option, and not a necessity.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 25, 2010, 07:06:31 PM

Movement, as in bowel?

Excellent post, my friend. Since there's not much content to respond to, I'll focus on your grammar and punctuation. I'm terribly sorry to inform you that it's not too good. You see, you somehow managed to make three mistakes in one sentence; it certainly doesn't help that the sentence consists of four words.
My suggestions as a qualified specialist would be:

• Obtain an English language textbook.
• Put some effort into your content so that resorting to grammar Nazism is an option, and not a necessity.

Lrn2comedy. Kthxbye.

P.S. "excellent post, my friend" also is a four word sentence and contains the following errors: 1. I'm not your friend. 2. Incompatibility with attitude shown towards the post in the rest of the message.
Just so you know.

P.S. "excellent post, my friend" also is a four word sentence and contains the following errors: 1. I'm not your friend. 2. Incompatibility with attitude shown towards the post in the rest of the message.
Just so you know.

Lrn2comedy. Kthxbye.

ITT: My friend Thermal Detonator answers himself; demonstrates hypocrisy.

wtf?
What are you taking about, Pizza?

wtf?
What are you taking about, Pizza?

To simplify: The first "paragraph" of his post is a very fitting answer to the second paragraph.

Of course, I didn't address the fact that apparently his horrible grammar and punctuation are somehow comedic. To be honest, I can't think of a response good enough to tackle that kind of stupidity.

Just a thought, but have any of the FEers here actually studied aeronautical/aerospace/satellite/any related field engineering? OR have they perhaps worked in a factory/company/organization that does technical work with regards to satellites? If not, why are we even asking people who don't possess the requisite technical knowledge to explain such questions?

Since most FEers reject the scientific method most scientists or engineers are familiar with (please no word games on what scientific method means), they couldn't have acquired knowledge though the means we're all familiar with. Which is of course formal education in a school or through reading books and websites, acquiring knowledge that was obtained though scientific methods. Perhaps they used the zetetic method, but that method wouldn't really help them understand satellites, unless they have actually followed a satellite around and charted its movement.

In fact, if I understood the Zetetic method correctly, unless the FEer has seen for his own eyes the balloons/  ground stations they repeatedly propose, these balloons/stations simply do not exist.

Quote from: Skeleton on December 26, 2010, 10:36:07 AM

wtf?
What are you taking about, Pizza?

To simplify: The first "paragraph" of his post is a very fitting answer to the second paragraph.

Of course, I didn't address the fact that apparently his horrible grammar and punctuation are somehow comedic. To be honest, I can't think of a response good enough to tackle that kind of stupidity.

Gaah! Does everyone here except me have a degree in english grammar? This is like being in a class with the teacher you could never understand. 

Skeleton, he can't say anything profound about the shape of the earth so he resorts to pedantic spellchecking. Don't sweat it.

Skeleton, he can't say anything profound about the shape of the earth so he resorts to pedantic spellchecking. Don't sweat it.

Oh, so you claim that your bowel movement "joke" was relevant to the shape of the Earth? That's interesting. Would you like to explain how?
Or are you just a hypocrite, as I originally claimed?

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 27, 2010, 08:42:09 AM

Skeleton, he can't say anything profound about the shape of the earth so he resorts to pedantic spellchecking. Don't sweat it.

Oh, so you claim that your bowel movement "joke" was relevant to the shape of the Earth? That's interesting. Would you like to explain how?
Or are you just a hypocrite, as I originally claimed?

PizzaPlanet has hit a number 6 on the Bristol scale.

Berny
Is riding at a nice 4.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 27, 2010, 08:42:09 AM

Skeleton, he can't say anything profound about the shape of the earth so he resorts to pedantic spellchecking. Don't sweat it.

Oh, so you claim that your bowel movement "joke" was relevant to the shape of the Earth? That's interesting. Would you like to explain how?
Or are you just a hypocrite, as I originally claimed?

Er... there's a difference between not being able to say anything profound about the shape of the earth (you), and being able to come out with all sorts of profound and challenging discussions about it but also choosing at times to be light hearted and humorous (me.)
Lighten up, pencilneck. 

Er... there's a difference between not being able to say anything profound about the shape of the earth (you), and being able to come out with all sorts of profound and challenging discussions about it but also choosing at times to be light hearted and humorous (me.)
Lighten up, pencilneck. 

Er... there's a difference between ranting angrily and calling people names which mostly apply to the offender [if they apply to anything at all - see below] (you) and making points regarding the shape of the Earth and engaging in challenging discussions, but also choosing to point it out when TD is being dumb (me).
Get a viewpoint, or at least learn some insults. "Pencilneck"? "You spineless chicken"? Really?

PizzaPlanet has hit a number 6 on the Bristol scale.

Berny
Is riding at a nice 4.

Was a 2 today. You're welcome.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 27, 2010, 10:44:50 AM

Er... there's a difference between not being able to say anything profound about the shape of the earth (you), and being able to come out with all sorts of profound and challenging discussions about it but also choosing at times to be light hearted and humorous (me.)
Lighten up, pencilneck. 

Er... there's a difference between ranting angrily and calling people names which mostly apply to the offender [if they apply to anything at all - see below] (you) and making points regarding the shape of the Earth and engaging in challenging discussions, but also choosing to point it out when TD is being dumb (me).
Get a viewpoint, or at least learn some insults. "Pencilneck"? "You spineless chicken"? Really?

Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 09:54:44 AM

PizzaPlanet has hit a number 6 on the Bristol scale.

Berny
Is riding at a nice 4.

Was a 2 today. You're welcome.

Pencilneck is a quote from Ghostbusters, pertaining to the character you remind me of.
Spineless chicken is an indicator of cowardice, in that cowards are often referred to as spineless, and often as chicken, hence combining them is a logical progression.
So you see, they're really quite intelligent insults as insults go. Plus if I called you a wanker, it would confuse the Americans.

I love the way you are progressing into a frothing rage as I get gradually calmer. 

So you see, they're really quite intelligent insults as insults go.

You judge your own insults? That's like laughing at your own jokes.

I love the way you are progressing into a frothing rage as I get gradually calmer. 

Strange. We both think we're the ones getting calmer, and we both think the other party is raging. Unfortunately, your posting history makes me much more likely to be right than yourself <3

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 27, 2010, 05:21:37 PM

So you see, they're really quite intelligent insults as insults go.

You judge your own insults? That's like laughing at your own jokes.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 27, 2010, 05:21:37 PM

I love the way you are progressing into a frothing rage as I get gradually calmer. 

Strange. We both think we're the ones getting calmer, and we both think the other party is raging. Unfortunately, your posting history makes me much more likely to be right than yourself <3

You were the last one to use both italics for emphasis and to write a direct imperative aimed at me, so in purely objective terms, you currently appear to be angrier than me.
And you really don't have anything profound to say about the earth - looking through your post history it's almost entirely nitpicking at grammar. You didn't used to be like this when I was here before.
Also, a lesson for you on how to make posts: judge your own insults. Choose them carefully, don't just do what you seem to think is good and pick one at random. Otherwise you run the risk of making an insult which is inappropriate.

Jesus, all this rage because I made one lowbrow joke about bowel movements. You need to have more things to do in your life. And where are the mods? This thread has gone way off topic and needs dealing with.

You were the last one to use both italics for emphasis and to write a direct imperative aimed at me, so in purely objective terms, you currently appear to be angrier than me.

If you did check my posting history, as you claim to, you know very well that I use italics a lot. Of course, this is yet another example of you being a hypocrite. Kudos.

And you really don't have anything profound to say about the earth - looking through your post history it's almost entirely nitpicking at grammar. You didn't used to be like this when I was here before.

Oh? That's interesting. Your description of my posting history has very little to do with my recent posts. Are you sure you didn't read my old stuff? That'd make much more sense. You see, my earlier history does consist of bashing noobs' grammar, indeed. That's what you could remember. Do you know what I'm going to say now? Of course you do. Alright, here it goes: lurk moar.

Also, a lesson for you on how to make posts: judge your own insults. Choose them carefully, don't just do what you seem to think is good and pick one at random. Otherwise you run the risk of making an insult which is inappropriate.

Oh, like you do. Nah, that won't be a problem for quite a while. If you pardon the stale joke: magical pleading for circular credibility grants you none thermaldetonator lol.. you are trying to earn some brownie points but you get none lol..

Jesus, all this rage because I made one lowbrow joke about bowel movements.

You still assume I'm raging. Further evidence that your "holiday" was not backed up by lurking. You could easily browse my history (which you claim to have done!) and see examples of me being pissed off. Here's an example of my not-so-recent post that will probably help you get the general idea:

You know, I'm just sick of you, Blanko. You're a wanker. Everyone wants to say it, the only reason they don't is because they don't want to get banned. Well it's after 5:47 am here, the only reason I'm still up is because you kept whining on at me to provide diagrams to buy you more time while everyone else realises your arguments are rubbish. Well you know what? I don't <EXPLETIVE DELETED> care. The flat earthers would love to be taken seriously, and if you weren't here playing devils advocate and making the flat earth society look like idiots, maybe they would be. You're doing the forum a great disservice by your mere presence and your massive daily trolling just frankly gets in the way of real and honest scientific debate. You're an obnoxious snotty brat who doesn't even have the sense to bow out when your "science" is crushed - instead you move on to picking at grammar and whether diagrams are drawn well. If you were as intelligent as you like to make out then you wouldn't need to do that. Go to hell.

You need to have more things to do in your life.

Winter break. umad?

And where are the mods? This thread has gone way off topic and needs dealing with.

Yes, you did derail the thread quite heavily. It's a shame we let members such as you roam around freely.

tl:dr

Really.

tl;dr*

Wow.

tl;dr*

Wow.

Please keep low content posting out of the upper fora.

Please keep low content posting out of the upper fora.

Movement, as in bowel?

Ah, you make this too easy for me. Anyway! *Ahem*
Further evidence that you're a hypocrite.

Despite the fervent desire of you both (and several others) to make this site about pointless personal bickering, do be good enough to take your romance to PM's. I'm tired of my inbox being spammed by reports your personal conflicts. Take a vacation if you need to.

They are a cute couple.

Lets call them, "Pizzanator!"

Quote from: IOA on December 25, 2010, 05:02:46 PM

Like I said, I'm not a conspirator, because you would all be dead.

I think the disappearance of prominent members of the Movement would raise more eyebrows than not.

i highly doubt that

Quote from: JoeCooper on December 21, 2010, 09:21:39 PM

its possible to see moving satellites with the naked eye on clear nights

Cars on the ground can reflect the sun's light just as much as a car in earth orbit could.

Um...what is the contrast between light reflecting of terra, and light 'reflecting' off black space? The only objects you will see in the night sky (because there is no sun light to illuminate the sky and make it blue) are the stars or whatever happens to cross it (asteroids, satellites, etc.). The fact that the photons from the sun (the sun is obviously positioned either to the far east or far west side, depending on the rotation of the earth and where you are positioned on the globe) are reflecting off a metallic surface of the orbiting object, clearly shows that there is indeed something orbiting (to thus posit that the earth is spherical).