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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2010, 11:45:28 AM »
I don't consider any god a thing, nor as anything bound by our invented logic. Why should god be?
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2010, 11:47:03 AM »
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North Korea has the strictest media guidelines. Therefore they must be the most reliable.

And I thought that the archeologist parallel from the OP clip was bad ::)
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2010, 11:47:33 AM »
Well then think of a better argument besides strictest=automatically the most reliable.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2010, 11:50:04 AM »
Can you seriously not see how demanding more, repeatable, verifiable evidence is more reliable?
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2010, 11:51:26 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:45:28 AM
I don't consider any god a thing, nor as anything bound by our invented logic. Why should god be?
So why did god not begin to exist? Why no first cause?
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2010, 11:53:43 AM »
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 11:50:04 AM
Can you seriously not see how demanding more, repeatable, verifiable evidence is more reliable?
Enlighten me.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:45:28 AM
I don't consider any god a thing, nor as anything bound by our invented logic. Why should god be?
So why did god not begin to exist? Why no first cause?
I'll brb as I look through my telescope to discover an answer for you.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 11:55:54 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 11:50:04 AM
Can you seriously not see how demanding more, repeatable, verifiable evidence is more reliable?
Enlighten me.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:45:28 AM
I don't consider any god a thing, nor as anything bound by our invented logic. Why should god be?
So why did god not begin to exist? Why no first cause?
I'll brb as I look through my telescope to discover an answer for you.
That's not an answer.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2010, 11:57:03 AM »
Be patient. I told you I would look through my telescope to give you a scientific answer to that question.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2010, 12:03:59 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 11:50:04 AM
Can you seriously not see how demanding more, repeatable, verifiable evidence is more reliable?
Enlighten me.

Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
"We believe that this and this happens" vs "We believe that this and this happens, we test it under strict conditions, we repeat the test, we give it to peer review and let others repeat the test and if it all gives the same result we can reasonably say that this and this happens."
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2010, 12:09:14 PM »
So theologians never peer review? They don't let others examine their work?!?

You're also acting as if religion and science ask the same exact questions.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2010, 12:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Be patient. I told you I would look through my telescope to give you a scientific answer to that question.
Theologians have telescopes?  :D

I thought they just looked to the heavens and made shit up.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2010, 12:11:48 PM »
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Be patient. I told you I would look through my telescope to give you a scientific answer to that question.
Theologians have telescopes?  :D

I thought they just looked to the heavens and made shit up.
haha  ;D
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2010, 12:13:14 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
So theologians never peer review? They don't let others examine their work?!?

You're also acting as if religion and science ask the same exact questions.

They can't falsify their ideas.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM »
They can, they just don't have to.
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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2010, 12:18:10 PM »
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
With a telescope, apparently.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2010, 12:19:20 PM »
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
Me too. Luckily, falsifying is not a requirement.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2010, 12:23:33 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
Me too. Luckily, falsifying is not a requirement.

So then we're back to science being more reliable...
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2010, 12:25:19 PM »
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
Me too. Luckily, falsifying is not a requirement.

So then we're back to science being more reliable...
How is science more reliable if God cannot be falsified? Sounds like it would be less reliable since one of its tenets and requirements are violated right away!
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2010, 12:30:13 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Beorn on December 21, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
They can, they just don't have to.

I would love to know how you would falsify god.
Me too. Luckily, falsifying is not a requirement.

So then we're back to science being more reliable...
How is science more reliable if God cannot be falsified? Sounds like it would be less reliable since one of its tenets and requirements are violated right away!

It's more reliable because if you can't falsify something you can say anything. As flying spaghetti monster illustrates. Reliability doesn't mean the ability to explain everything, but that which you do explain has is more likely to be right.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2010, 12:31:23 PM »
So science can't explain everything and doesn't have a say-so in God if God can't be falsified?
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2010, 02:30:49 PM »

So science can't explain everything
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Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
and doesn't have a say-so in God if God can't be falsified?



The say-so of science is that there is no indication of a god, but as it can not be falsified or tested we do not know if there is one or not. So according to science you can't assume either way.

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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2010, 02:32:10 PM »
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So according to science you can't assume either way.
Excellent.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2010, 05:13:20 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
What does that have to do with realizing science can't explain everything?

What?  Why can't science explain everything? 
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2010, 05:19:14 PM »
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2010, 05:49:46 PM »
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Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
What does that have to do with realizing science can't explain everything?

What?  Why can't science explain everything? 
Because science can't explain the metaphysical.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2010, 06:45:00 PM »
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Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
What does that have to do with realizing science can't explain everything?

What?  Why can't science explain everything? 
Because science can't explain the metaphysical.

Science can't explain the abstruse ideas you make up in your head?  Interesting thought.  Do you find nothing wrong with the notion of classifying something as unexplainable then declaring checkmate when that something cannot be explained?

At best, and being generous, it's an interesting thought experiment -- can something be thought of which is unexplainable be explained?
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2010, 06:51:16 PM »
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2010, 06:52:22 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 21, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Science can't explain everything. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=44165.0

Science can explain the abstract thought of gifts.
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Re: William Lane Craig
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2010, 06:53:08 PM »
If it's so simple. Then you should have no problem answering my question.
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