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« Reply #270 on: March 29, 2011, 06:04:53 PM »
Why do Americans hate socialism so much?

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« Reply #271 on: March 29, 2011, 06:19:49 PM »
Why do Americans hate socialism so much?
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« Reply #272 on: March 29, 2011, 07:02:14 PM »
Why do Americans hate socialism so much?

Why can't the world prove socialism works?  It hasn't yet.

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« Reply #273 on: March 29, 2011, 07:18:45 PM »
Why can't the world prove socialism works?  It hasn't yet.

Australia and most of Europe beg to differ.

I can see someone arguing that point in a Communism debate, even though Communism itself hasn't been implemented properly.

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« Reply #274 on: March 29, 2011, 07:25:22 PM »
The problem with communism is worker incentive. My idea for it is to mechanize everything that can be mechanized, so that those who don't wish to work hard don't drag down society, and have jobs that can't be mechanized (such as politics, teaching, and entertainment) provide a higher weekly allowance from the government.

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« Reply #275 on: March 29, 2011, 07:27:41 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

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« Reply #276 on: March 29, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

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« Reply #277 on: March 29, 2011, 07:54:16 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.
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« Reply #278 on: March 29, 2011, 07:58:22 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.

I never said otherwise, but could you elaborate?

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« Reply #279 on: March 29, 2011, 08:04:49 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.

I never said otherwise,

Hence, oversimplification.  You made a blanket statement and implied (even if you didn't state it) that all Americans who disagree with socialism do so out of ignorance.

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but could you elaborate?

Well, it's all about entitlement.  People who do the necessary work to succeed don't feel that they should be responsible for people not willing to do the necessary work to succeed.  But in many cases that's exactly what socialism forces on society.

I know people who are third generation welfare recipients, and spit out babies for the money and benefits the government is willing to shell out, just for being poor and having a lot of kids.

Honestly, I don't think it's right that my taxes should be supporting these people.  And I classify myself as a liberal.
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« Reply #280 on: March 29, 2011, 09:02:43 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.

I never said otherwise,

Hence, oversimplification.  You made a blanket statement and implied (even if you didn't state it) that all Americans who disagree with socialism do so out of ignorance.

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but could you elaborate?

Well, it's all about entitlement.  People who do the necessary work to succeed don't feel that they should be responsible for people not willing to do the necessary work to succeed.  But in many cases that's exactly what socialism forces on society.

I know people who are third generation welfare recipients, and spit out babies for the money and benefits the government is willing to shell out, just for being poor and having a lot of kids.

Honestly, I don't think it's right that my taxes should be supporting these people.  And I classify myself as a liberal.
but on the same note is it really fair that some people are wealthy by being born in the correct family and some work there asses off to make enough to live?
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« Reply #281 on: March 29, 2011, 09:15:06 PM »
Hence, oversimplification.  You made a blanket statement and implied (even if you didn't state it) that all Americans who disagree with socialism do so out of ignorance.

I didn't imply that, you inferred it. I simply said 'a lot of Americans', and I think we can agree on that.

Well, it's all about entitlement.  People who do the necessary work to succeed don't feel that they should be responsible for people not willing to do the necessary work to succeed.  But in many cases that's exactly what socialism forces on society.

I know people who are third generation welfare recipients, and spit out babies for the money and benefits the government is willing to shell out, just for being poor and having a lot of kids.

Honestly, I don't think it's right that my taxes should be supporting these people.  And I classify myself as a liberal.

This is always the crutch of the issue. Not only is welfare a small part of socialism, but this example is also silly.

I think in reality, the people who abuse the system are always in a minority. The system simply needs to be policed better. It's like saying you oppose driving because some people drive drunk.

but on the same note is it really fair that some people are wealthy by being born in the correct family and some work there asses off to make enough to live?
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And yeah, it also works both ways.

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« Reply #282 on: March 29, 2011, 10:51:44 PM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.

I never said otherwise,

Hence, oversimplification.  You made a blanket statement and implied (even if you didn't state it) that all Americans who disagree with socialism do so out of ignorance.

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but could you elaborate?

Well, it's all about entitlement.  People who do the necessary work to succeed don't feel that they should be responsible for people not willing to do the necessary work to succeed.  But in many cases that's exactly what socialism forces on society.

I know people who are third generation welfare recipients, and spit out babies for the money and benefits the government is willing to shell out, just for being poor and having a lot of kids.

Honestly, I don't think it's right that my taxes should be supporting these people.  And I classify myself as a liberal.
but on the same note is it really fair that some people are wealthy by being born in the correct family and some work there asses off to make enough to live?

Yes.  Do you think differently?  ???
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« Reply #283 on: March 30, 2011, 12:20:38 AM »
Yes.  Do you think differently?  ???

Where is the fairness in that?

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« Reply #284 on: March 30, 2011, 01:01:27 AM »
Communism is something completely different, and has it's own issues. A free market with a healthy dose of Socialism is a good thing, and it annoys me that so many Americans fear it out of not understanding it, or simply being told that it's bad.

Typical liberal oversimplification of the issue.  There are many intelligent people who are against socialism for what they see as perfectly valid reasons.

I never said otherwise,

Hence, oversimplification.  You made a blanket statement and implied (even if you didn't state it) that all Americans who disagree with socialism do so out of ignorance.

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but could you elaborate?

Well, it's all about entitlement.  People who do the necessary work to succeed don't feel that they should be responsible for people not willing to do the necessary work to succeed.  But in many cases that's exactly what socialism forces on society.

I know people who are third generation welfare recipients, and spit out babies for the money and benefits the government is willing to shell out, just for being poor and having a lot of kids.

Honestly, I don't think it's right that my taxes should be supporting these people.  And I classify myself as a liberal.

It's more fair than those people not being able to go to the hospital. Or billion dollar businesses not paying taxes.
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« Reply #285 on: March 30, 2011, 01:23:01 AM »
Why do Americans hate socialism so much?

Why can't the world prove socialism works?  It hasn't yet.

Not to mention it gives people things they aren't entitled to.

but on the same note is it really fair that some people are wealthy by being born in the correct family and some work there asses off to make enough to live?

Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

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« Reply #286 on: March 30, 2011, 01:29:16 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)
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« Reply #287 on: March 30, 2011, 01:37:32 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

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« Reply #288 on: March 30, 2011, 01:39:32 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

Who do you consider lazy people?
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« Reply #289 on: March 30, 2011, 01:42:49 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

Who do you consider lazy people?

Those who sit on the couch all day, no job, don't try to get a job. And their only income is welfare.

BTW, to clarify I mean people who do nothing and expect the government to support them, not single parents who don't have the time for a job.
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« Reply #290 on: March 30, 2011, 01:50:09 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

Who do you consider lazy people?

Those who sit on the couch all day, no job, don't try to get a job. And their only income is welfare.

BTW, to clarify I mean people who do nothing and expect the government to support them, not single parents who don't have the time for a job.

And how do you propose to find out who the ones are that are sitting all day on a couch without a job and the ones that actually want to get a job but can't find one?
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« Reply #291 on: March 30, 2011, 01:50:39 AM »
If we scrapped every system that could be abused, then no system would be left. Stop using such an awful, awful reason to hate socialism as a whole.

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« Reply #292 on: March 30, 2011, 02:12:24 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

Who do you consider lazy people?

Those who sit on the couch all day, no job, don't try to get a job. And their only income is welfare.

BTW, to clarify I mean people who do nothing and expect the government to support them, not single parents who don't have the time for a job.

And how do you propose to find out who the ones are that are sitting all day on a couch without a job and the ones that actually want to get a job but can't find one?

Random unannounced visits.

If we scrapped every system that could be abused, then no system would be left. Stop using such an awful, awful reason to hate socialism as a whole.

How is that an awful reason? It's just as legit as your reason to hate capitalism. Hypocrite.

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« Reply #293 on: March 30, 2011, 02:24:17 AM »
I don't hate capitalism.

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« Reply #294 on: March 30, 2011, 02:36:14 AM »
CR90, I forget, what do you do again?

If I was in power I'd make a work quota necessary for collecting unemployment benefits (Not disability benefits of course). By this I mean, the unemployed person would have to do unskilled work that isn't done before because it's not worth paying someone to do it, eg. That ugly wall in the city centre needs painting, but it's not worth paying someone to do it because it's not a big enough deal.

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« Reply #295 on: March 30, 2011, 04:44:58 AM »
Stop using such an awful, awful reason to hate socialism as a whole.


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« Reply #296 on: March 30, 2011, 09:48:26 AM »
Fair is subjective. Please tell me why someone is evil for being born in to a life where they'll never have a money problem. Life isn't fair, no matter what you do it's gonna make it unfair to someone. Does this mean I don't think it's tragic? No, but life's a bitch.

And because life's a bitch we have to make it harder on the unfortunate so that the fortunate ones have it easier living over their backs ::)

I never said make it easier or harder on anyone, quit twisting my words or hearing what you want to hear.

What I think can be done is raising minimum wage. F*ck handouts to lazy people though.

Who do you consider lazy people?

Those who sit on the couch all day, no job, don't try to get a job. And their only income is welfare.

BTW, to clarify I mean people who do nothing and expect the government to support them, not single parents who don't have the time for a job.

Don't you sit on the couch all day, no job, not trying to get a job, and your only income is what your mom and dad give you? Or have you gotten over whatever your mental issues were and become a contributing member of society?  If you haven't, then what's going to happen to you when your parents can no longer support you? Will you rely on welfare?

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #297 on: March 30, 2011, 09:49:59 AM »
People leeching of their parents are usually the strongest opposers of welfare for some reason.
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« Reply #298 on: March 30, 2011, 09:58:49 AM »
Well, also in the US we're bombarded with messages that the American Dream is alive and well and anyone can achieve it.  The truth doesn't usually hit most folks until they're old and trying to retire.  My mom and stepfather, for instance, have both worked hard all their lives, never accepted welfare, paid their bills.. but never had enough leftover to save for retirement. Now they're trying to figure out how they're going to afford health insurance when they need it the most, but can least afford it. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #299 on: March 30, 2011, 10:13:47 AM »
Debt is the leech that is slowly killing the American dream.