Davis to present data sources, please.

I personally drink a glass of water and baking soda during each day of the full moon as I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during these times and have noted the large number of increased hospital visits during lunar events for stomach ailments.

I expect John Davis to present his data on increased hospital visits for stomach ailments. If the fancy takes me, I may collect data on this topic from my own hospital and see how it compares.
Or is he talking about his own hospital visits?

Where does he mention data?


www.rif.org

Where does he mention data?


www.rif.org

He noted the large number of people visiting during a full moon. Sources please.

WWW.rif.org

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on December 13, 2010, 06:52:10 PM

Where does he mention data?


www.rif.org

He noted the large number of people visiting during a full moon. Sources please.

WWW.rif.org

Just ignore Wilmore. He doesn't get the concept that data can be described without using the actual word "data". Working out that "notes made of a quantity fitting a particular criterion" is a type of data is too much for his moon-damaged mind to handle.

We apparently need to wait for his book to come out (supposedly sometime later next year) to see any of his data. I've asked a couple times but he is very reluctant to post any actual evidence for amything.

He noted the large number of people visiting during a full moon. Sources please.

WWW.rif.org

And he needs to provide sources/data for his own observations because...?

Just ignore Wilmore. He doesn't get the concept that data can be described without using the actual word "data". Working out that "notes made of a quantity fitting a particular criterion" is a type of data is too much for his moon-damaged mind to handle.

ITT: people with literacy issues.

Quote from: sillyrob on December 13, 2010, 06:53:59 PM

He noted the large number of people visiting during a full moon. Sources please.

WWW.rif.org

And he needs to provide sources/data for his own observations because...?

Because it will help his argument make sense.

And he needs to provide sources/data for his own observations because...?
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The OP asked him to. Nicely.

People are demanding that John provide evidence that he never claimed to have. This is because they have poor reading skills. I've tried my best to set them on the path to literacy, and I can only assume that my lack of success is due to this being a text-based medium.

And he needs to provide sources/data for his own observations because...?

For full disclosure/peer review, of course.

People are demanding that John provide evidence that he never claimed to have. This is because they have poor reading skills. I've tried my best to set them on the path to literacy, and I can only assume that my lack of success is due to this being a text-based medium.

He said he noticed large numbers of people visiting the hospital during a full moon. Some evidence will either back up his claim or show him that he is mistaken and should no longer claim that a full moon increases hospital visits.

I eagerly await the release of his 15 boxes of notebooks worth of data. Perhaps they will contain the answers TD seeks.

I would like to know how he compared the number of hospital visits for stomach ailments during the full moon to the number of hospital visits for stomach ailments during all other times without taking any data.

Let the method of simple inquiry - the "zetetic" process be exclusively adopted - experiments tried and facts collected... of every kind and form and bearing on the subject, before a conclusion is drawn or a conviction affirmed.

The holy words of Rowbottom himself. As a zetetic, Davis MUST have collected facts (i.e. data) because he has drawn a conclusion. Are we to be un-zetetic, and take his claims for truth on faith alone? No. We should see the evidence ourselves, that we may approach the true knowledge in a zetetic fashion. Therefore, Brother Davis should be glad to enlighten us with his most basic observations, that we may understand how his conclusions have been reached.

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I personally drink a glass of water and baking soda during each day of the full moon as I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during these times and have noted the large number of increased hospital visits during lunar events for stomach ailments.

I expect John Davis to present his data on increased hospital visits for stomach ailments. If the fancy takes me, I may collect data on this topic from my own hospital and see how it compares.
Or is he talking about his own hospital visits?

In Mr. Davis's defense, I'm fairly sure he said that the data exists and not that it was his data.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on December 13, 2010, 06:04:24 PM

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I personally drink a glass of water and baking soda during each day of the full moon as I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during these times and have noted the large number of increased hospital visits during lunar events for stomach ailments.

I expect John Davis to present his data on increased hospital visits for stomach ailments. If the fancy takes me, I may collect data on this topic from my own hospital and see how it compares.
Or is he talking about his own hospital visits?

In Mr. Davis's defense, I'm fairly sure he said that the data exists and not that it was his data.

I am aware he may not have collected it personally, but he will be able to show us where it can be found.

Thank you Ski, that is very helpful of you. Wilmore could learn from your example.

Additional: having examined this study, I am convinced that Davis has used proper valid data for his conclusion, and that therefore his method is laudable. It is good to see zetetic researchers being so thorough and I await his further results with interest.

Therefore, further studies are needed to clarify the possible influence of such factors on humans, as well as to ascertain whether the lunar effect is, in fact, a myth or a reality.

No statistic relevance found yet.

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

Lots of things cause seizures.  The significance of moonlight on the frequency and/or severity of seizures to people susceptible to them has yet to be fully studied.

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

How about instead of derailing this thread, you post in the relevant thread?  I'm sure you've seen it before, since you made it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42960.0

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

Yeah you posted a huge thing about it when in reality it just related to people who already are prone to seizures as opposed to healthy individuals.  Clocktower called you out on that one.  Or was it TheJackel?  Either way Thermal Detonator is way too nice to you guys.

Berny
Awaiting the Moon Shrimp resurgence.

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

Please, oh please, give me a source/evidence.

Quote from: Pongo on December 15, 2010, 09:54:55 PM

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

Yeah you posted a huge thing about it when in reality it just related to people who already are prone to seizures as opposed to healthy individuals.  Clocktower called you out on that one.  Or was it TheJackel?  Either way Thermal Detonator is way too nice to you guys.

Berny
Awaiting the Moon Shrimp resurgence.

I'm not too nice. I'm horribly critical when things aren't done properly. However, I respect flat guys when they are able to present proper peer reviewed published evidence to support their findings, as in this case. Critical though I am, I will gladly say that we should not rubbish conclusions drawn from properly gathered data.

I tend to think that's why I've gained so much of T Det's respect.

I tend to think that's why I've gained so much of T Det's respect.

Which makes your sig a tad misleading 

Wilmore was correct.  I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.  The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

Quote from: Pongo on December 15, 2010, 09:54:55 PM

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

How about instead of derailing this thread, you post in the relevant thread?  I'm sure you've seen it before, since you made it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42960.0

Derailing?  This is very relavent to the topic. Soft moonlight causes seizures in people prone to them more than piercing indoor light. One can read quite well by lamp-light, when was the last time you read by moonlight?  I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying one is brighter than the other and something else besides ambient light must be triggering these seizures. Moonlight is harmful, deal with it. 

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

This level of oversimplification of the results of a study is the equivalent of lying.

You know that the study you are mentioning did not find a direct correlation between seizures in the general public and moonlight. You know that the subjects that showed propensity to seizures were the only ones affected, and as far as I know, they were only affected when looking at the moon in a generally dark place, which is the same kind of situation as any other bright light in a generally darker surrounding. In both cases, either with bright artificial lights or with a bright moon in a dark surrounding, the seizures were attributed to a specific kind of excitation of the optical nerve, not to the differences in the source or qualities of the light.

This oversimplification is like saying that I was probably the assassin of John F. Kennedy because I also have been in Dallas.