Davis to present data sources, please.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on December 16, 2010, 05:05:39 AM

Quote from: Pongo on December 15, 2010, 09:54:55 PM

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

How about instead of derailing this thread, you post in the relevant thread?  I'm sure you've seen it before, since you made it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42960.0

Derailing?  This is very relavent to the topic. Soft moonlight causes seizures in people prone to them more than piercing indoor light. One can read quite well by lamp-light, when was the last time you read by moonlight?  I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying one is brighter than the other and something else besides ambient light must be triggering these seizures. Moonlight is harmful, deal with it. 

There are a great many triggers that cause seizures.  To conclude that moonlight must be one of them from such a limited case study is grossly improper. 

Derailing?  This is very relavent to the topic. Soft moonlight causes seizures in people prone to them more than piercing indoor light. One can read quite well by lamp-light, when was the last time you read by moonlight?  I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying one is brighter than the other and something else besides ambient light must be triggering these seizures. Moonlight is harmful, deal with it. 

Yessir, Serious Moonlight evidently does induce seizures.

But on a more serious note...

Adding or removing prescription medications or supplements can trigger seizures . . . emotional stressors such as worry, anxiety, and anger may cause seizures, especially if combined with fatigue or chronic sleep loss.

Sounds like a hospital environment to me.  You're just ignorant if you only equate the seizures to moonlight.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on December 16, 2010, 05:05:39 AM

Quote from: Pongo on December 15, 2010, 09:54:55 PM

Moonlight causes seizures, there was a study done on it.

How about instead of derailing this thread, you post in the relevant thread?  I'm sure you've seen it before, since you made it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42960.0

Derailing?  This is very relavent to the topic. Soft moonlight causes seizures in people prone to them more than piercing indoor light. One can read quite well by lamp-light, when was the last time you read by moonlight?  I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying one is brighter than the other and something else besides ambient light must be triggering these seizures. Moonlight is harmful, deal with it. 

It's derailing because this isn't a moonlight is harmful thread.  There is already a thread dealing with moonlight and seizures, so there's no need to try to bring that into this thread.  I'd say use the search function, but you made the thread, so you should have no problem finding it.

Should have just ignored Pongo from his first post. The thread is asking for Davis' data, not idiotic semantics, or misinterpretations of a report.

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 16, 2010, 01:03:39 PM

I tend to think that's why I've gained so much of T Det's respect.

Which makes your sig a tad misleading 

He was pretending to do sarcasm.

Wilmore was correct.  I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.  The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything. 

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 04:57:07 AM

Wilmore was correct.  I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.  The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything. 

They have no proof that the source of the light (in this case moonlight) has any impact on seizures. They are really grasping at straws to help the moonlight in harmful argument.

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 04:57:07 AM

Wilmore was correct.  I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.  The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything. 

No really,
www.rif.org

Quote from: Beorn on December 17, 2010, 03:24:48 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 04:57:07 AM

Wilmore was correct. I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation. The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything. 

No really,
www.rif.org

Please cite where any study has shown that moonlight has any direct effect on the frequency and/or severity of any ailment (with the possible exception of lycanthropy).  Saying that a condition happens more often during a full moon is not the same as saying that a full moon directly causes (or even contributes to) that condition.

Quote from: Beorn on December 17, 2010, 03:24:48 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 04:57:07 AM

Wilmore was correct.  I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.  The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything. 

No really,
www.rif.org

no U

Link me any article that gives a statistical correlation between moonlight and getting certain ailments.

But on a more serious note...

Quote from: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/about/types/triggers/livingtrigger.cfm

Adding or removing prescription medications or supplements can trigger seizures . . . emotional stressors such as worry, anxiety, and anger may cause seizures, especially if combined with fatigue or chronic sleep loss.

Sounds like a hospital environment to me.  You're just ignorant if you only equate the seizures to moonlight.

The study clearly states that the frequency of seizures increased in the moonlight.  No one suggested that moonlight is the sole cause of seizures.

Hold on, hold on, people are dragging in too many conclusions in order to attack John Davis here. I wanted backup of just one part of his claim, i.e. that the stomach problems increased during full moon. The data supports this claim. Whether or not that means the moonlight is harmful should not be debated in this thread, there are other threads already for that. I'm sure that Davis himself would agree that jumping straight to the light being the cause of the stomach problems based on the hospital data alone is too much of an overstep.

I agree TD.   Thank you for proving to be fair.


Also to clarify to everyone concerned, I'll break it down.

The original quotes

I personally drink a glass of water and baking soda during each day of the full moon as I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during these times and have noted the large number of increased hospital visits during lunar events for stomach ailments.

I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.

This tactic to fight off the moon sickness was devised for me, to be used by me, with no claims otherwise on its effectiveness or usefulness to anyone else.  

If you need it said again:

• I drink a glass of water and baking soda during the full moon

This is because

• I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during the full moon
• It helps me personally
• I have noticed an increase in hospital visits during the full moon

Stop babbling about the studies to me when I wasn't even the one who cited them or supported them in the first place.  I said that I was aware of said studies.  I never claimed to agree with them.  I never claimed they were statistically relevant.  I did not even claim I read them.  I made no claims concerning the studies, or any studies, at all.  

If you have this problem, try my safety tip.  If you don't, don't.  

If you are Beorn, visit www.rif.org.

I agree TD.   Thank you for proving to be fair.


Also to clarify to everyone concerned, I'll break it down.

The original quotes

Quote

I personally drink a glass of water and baking soda during each day of the full moon as I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during these times and have noted the large number of increased hospital visits during lunar events for stomach ailments.

Quote

I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation.

This tactic to fight off the moon sickness was devised for me, to be used by me, with no claims otherwise on its effectiveness or usefulness to anyone else.  

If you need it said again:

• I drink a glass of water and baking soda during the full moon

This is because

• I have noticed increased acidity in my stomach during the full moon
• It helps me personally
• I have noticed an increase in hospital visits during the full moon

Stop babbling about the studies to me when I wasn't even the one who cited them or supported them in the first place.  I said that I was aware of said studies.  I never claimed to agree with them.  I never claimed they were statistically relevant.  I did not even claim I read them.  I made no claims concerning the studies, or any studies, at all.  

If you have this problem, try my safety tip.  If you don't, don't.  

If you are Beorn, visit www.rif.org.

The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

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That sentence wasn't about what YOU did, but about the thread. And the article in this thread on stomach ailments during full moon did NOT have data on stomach problems increasing with full moon.

So www.rif.org to U

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That sentence wasn't about what YOU did, but about the thread. And the article in this thread on stomach ailments during full moon did NOT have data on stomach problems increasing with full moon.

So www.rif.org to U

You demanded the data from me as if I had supported it:

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 06:01:01 PM

Quote from: Beorn on December 17, 2010, 03:24:48 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2010, 04:57:07 AM

Wilmore was correct. I was aware of multiple studies concerning ailments during the full moon, including stomach based ones, but in the end it was done due to my own personal and super-personal observation. The issues we've had in this thread were all due to a fundamental lack of reading skills.

Thanks for the link Ski, that was a much faster way to clear this up.

You might want to check up on your own reading skill, as none of the articles shown shows any STATISTICAL evidence that moonlight causes anything.  

No really,
www.rif.org

no U

Link me any article that gives a statistical correlation between moonlight and getting certain ailments.

It was not directed towards the thread.  It was directly solely towards my comment as evidenced by: "check up on your own reading skill" and "no U".

Furthermore, this thread was specifically about what I said and what I did and the data I had gathered to verify this.