Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle

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This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season. However, I smashed the cork with the corkscrew and the broken shards fell inside the bottle. I tried to drink it, but when I poured it into a glass, shards of cork came out too, and a fine cork dust polluted the port so absolutely as to preclude our enjoyment of it whatsoever. Now, to do what I could to salvage the port, I cut a square from a bedsheet and attached it to the neck of the bottle with an elastic band.

I turned the port bottle above the glass, but the port outpouring was scant, and stopped quickly. I soon found the only way to extract the filtered port from the bottle and into the glass was to hold the neck close to the glass and raise the bottle away from the glass at an accelerating rate. My challenge to globularists everywhere is as follows: if the universal force of gravity is all that extracted the port from the bottle under normal conditions, why is that it was only by stacking acceleration of my own creation that I was able toextract the port under these modifed conditions?

I had previously wondered if gravity weren't in theory entirely equialent to acceleration of our terrestrial plane; I now wonder if the conditions of decanting are not entirely at odds with the globularist lie and this equivalence principle is actually false, but strongly in the zetetic direction - that namely there are conditions upon the Earth which produce circumstances entirely discrediting the theory of gravity altogether, whilst preserving the predictions of universal acceleration, and thereby also demonstrating the falsity of the equivalence principle?

It is fair to say that my worldview has been shaken by this bottle of port, which has only been poured with the assistance of artificial acceleration entirely apart from and contrary to the theory of Newtonian gravitational physics.
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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 04:55:14 PM »
This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season.
 
It is fair to say that my worldview has been shaken by this bottle of port, which has only been poured with the assistance of artificial acceleration entirely apart from and contrary to the theory of Newtonian gravitational physics.

I don't think this falls under Gravity at all.  Since the gravity effect by both UA and "gravity" would have effected the port the same.

The first problem is the use of a bed sheet - it is much too find of a weave to be a proper strainer.  Would work for water but you had port.  You covered the bottle(what was left) and the course bits of cork and the finer sediment obviously clogged the pores of the cloth.  Also as the cloth gets wet it expands making it that much more difficult for the fluid to get out.

Next time - use cheesecloth - there is a reason why it is used for these sort of applications.  It is very coarse and you can adjust it by adding layers.  Another effective use is a standard cotton/linen t-shirt.  The weaves are also coarser than a bedsheet.  My usual method for straining is actually standard coffee filters.  I regularly use this for straining out bacon fat so I can make Lard.  The grease has to be hot or it will quickly clog the filter.

For Yoghurt and cheese I generally use old cotton T-shirts.  They can take a wringing much better than cheesecloth.  For Jelly - I use an old tight weave pillow case, and I just hang it in a corner overnight.

This is more a problem of improper application  than any ground shaking realization.

Also remember - You should decant the port into a proper vessel and allow it to rest for drinking.

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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 05:02:21 PM »
Yes, and I've a crystal decanter into which I, with some difficulty, deposited the remainder. I'm afraid whilst I'm glad of your straining recommendations, I fail to see the efficacy of your arguments against the revelatory nature of this discovery with regard to the Newtonian gravitational mythology. You seem to have appealed here, in stating its unimportance, to the equivalence principle itself, the very validity of whch is under question in our present inquiry. I beseech you to further expound your scientifistic assessments.
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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 05:05:52 PM »
I hope you were free from any harm throughout this discovery James. Quite marvelous insight though! I must say that that any minimal risk was worth it in my eye.
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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 05:09:38 PM »
Yes, and I've a crystal decanter into which I, with some difficulty, deposited the remainder. I'm afraid whilst I'm glad of your straining recommendations, I fail to see the efficacy of your arguments against the revelatory nature of this discovery with regard to the Newtonian gravitational mythology. You seem to have appealed here, in stating its unimportance, to the equivalence principle itself, the very validity of whch is under question in our present inquiry. I beseech you to further expound your scientifistic assessments.

Still not sure - perhaps you can explain the quivalence principle itself and how it relates to the cork and sediment getting caught in the filter.  I tend to look at problems through a layman's eyes rather than in depth.  If the power goes out - I check the fuses first, then the neighbours, then the phone, then turn on the radio.  I don't assume first that the polarity of the world has reversed itself rendering all technology impotent and grabbing my crossbow and going on a rampage to ensure my survival by salting and pickling the bodies.

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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 05:23:20 PM »
Still not sure - perhaps you can explain the quivalence principle itself and how it relates to the cork and sediment getting caught in the filter.  I tend to look at problems through a layman's eyes rather than in depth.  If the power goes out - I check the fuses first, then the neighbours, then the phone, then turn on the radio.  I don't assume first that the polarity of the world has reversed itself rendering all technology impotent and grabbing my crossbow and going on a rampage to ensure my survival by salting and pickling the bodies.

The equivalence principle is the stated doctrine of Einstein which holds that the phenomenon which the globularist refers to as gravitation is locally indisitinguishable from an acceleration - that is to say, that upon the Earth, if one posthulates the theory of universal gravitation, one's empirical observations cannot help but match the predictions of another inquisitor who has posthulated the theory of universal acceleration and is investigating accordingly.

The problem which the port hath induced in me is as follows: during such time as I was forced to accelerate the bottle upwards by my own doing, by accordance with the theory of universal acceleration, I compounded the acceleration of the Earth with my own arm extension induced acceleration, thereby freeing the port into my awaiting glass. Whither is the evidence by which I might be convinced that were it the case that the theory of Newtonian gravitation held true, the port would still yet escape the bottle under such conditions as I have described?

I hope you were free from any harm throughout this discovery James. Quite marvelous insight though! I must say that that any minimal risk was worth it in my eye.

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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 05:49:23 PM »
I propose that if you were not in a "gravitational" field, and merely accelerating at 9.8 m/s2 upwards, you would experience the same thing. The equivalence principle stands. You merely added more acceleration when the 9.8 m/s2 was not enough to extract the wine.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 05:59:24 PM »
I propose that if you were not in a "gravitational" field, and merely accelerating at 9.8 m/s2 upwards, you would experience the same thing. The equivalence principle stands. You merely added more acceleration when the 9.8 m/s2 was not enough to extract the wine.

More likely the shaking loosened and dislodged the sediment allowing the port to flow freely.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 06:45:37 PM »
I hope you were free from any harm throughout this discovery James. Quite marvelous insight though! I must say that that any minimal risk was worth it in my eye.
Free from harm? He opened wine. It's not like he opened the bottle under the moonlight near a fire (because the moon is known by millions to start and fuel fire).

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 07:46:45 PM »
This must have been good port - most commercial ports come with cork-stoppers rather than full corks. I will contribute more to the discussion later, but first I must ask an important question of my Brother James:


Do you prefer ruby port or tawny port? I myself alliteratively tend towards the tawny. Note that white port is an acceptable answer!
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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 07:56:03 PM »
Yes, and I've a crystal decanter into which I, with some difficulty, deposited the remainder.

Please remember that crystal decanters are only for temporary storage.  The lead in the crystal may leach into the wine (or other liquid) and that would be a bad thing.
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Re: Living Room Port Bottle Demo Casts Doubt on Equivalence Principle
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 02:11:11 PM »
I hope you were free from any harm throughout this discovery James. Quite marvelous insight though! I must say that that any minimal risk was worth it in my eye.
Free from harm? He opened wine. It's not like he opened the bottle under the moonlight near a fire (because the moon is known by millions to start and fuel fire).

He could have popped the cork.  That thing is as lethal as a speeding bullet.

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »
Good thought experiment James, I can't wait to see the opposition's responses.

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 02:39:02 PM »
The experiment really is excellent James.  To be that in tune with the ramifications of your surroundings is most impressive.   
« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 03:17:33 PM by gotham »

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 01:11:01 AM »
I turned the port bottle above the glass, but the port outpouring was scant, and stopped quickly. I soon found the only way to extract the filtered port from the bottle and into the glass was to hold the neck close to the glass and raise the bottle away from the glass at an accelerating rate. My challenge to globularists everywhere is as follows: if the universal force of gravity is all that extracted the port from the bottle under normal conditions, why is that it was only by stacking acceleration of my own creation that I was able toextract the port under these modifed conditions?
Because you made the opening of the bottle so small that the fluid needed some additional force to come out. It is a surface tension thing.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 01:57:48 AM »
This must have been good port - most commercial ports come with cork-stoppers rather than full corks. I will contribute more to the discussion later, but first I must ask an important question of my Brother James:


Do you prefer ruby port or tawny port? I myself alliteratively tend towards the tawny. Note that white port is an acceptable answer!

I am at home with many species of port; at this the festive season I must say I find ruby to be most apt. The port in the 'experiment' was a 1994 ruby port. It was scrumptious, bedsheet notwithstanding.

Yes, and I've a crystal decanter into which I, with some difficulty, deposited the remainder.

Please remember that crystal decanters are only for temporary storage.  The lead in the crystal may leach into the wine (or other liquid) and that would be a bad thing.

Do not worry, my friend, this port will have disappeared soon enough.

The experiment really is excellent James.  To be that in tune with the ramifications of your surroundings is most impressive.   

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 04:22:29 AM »
There was sediment in the way, you had to accelerate it, and you conclude that gravity is false? This sounds like you're grasping for straws Brother James, that is if you can ever prove that your experiment was even performed.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 07:13:48 AM »
popped the cork.
port

What?  Port can be corked.  In fact, the OP explicitly mentioned that it was corked.  Admittedly, the chances of getting a projectile cork are considerably less than if it was, say, champagne, but it's always better safe than sorry.

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 01:50:36 PM »
popped the cork.
port

What?  Port can be corked.  In fact, the OP explicitly mentioned that it was corked.  Admittedly, the chances of getting a projectile cork are considerably less than if it was, say, champagne, but it's always better safe than sorry.

He never said it was corked. Also shaking port doesn't create much pressure.

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 10:02:56 PM »
popped the cork.
port

What?  Port can be corked.  In fact, the OP explicitly mentioned that it was corked.  Admittedly, the chances of getting a projectile cork are considerably less than if it was, say, champagne, but it's always better safe than sorry.

He never said it was corked. Also shaking port doesn't create much pressure.

Shaking it will bruise the heck out of it though.

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2010, 11:55:41 AM »
He never said it was corked.

Uh, yes he did:

This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season. However, I smashed the cork with the corkscrew and the broken shards fell inside the bottle. I tried to drink it, but when I poured it into a glass, shards of cork came out too, and a fine cork dust polluted the port so absolutely as to preclude our enjoyment of it whatsoever. Now, to do what I could to salvage the port, I cut a square from a bedsheet and attached it to the neck of the bottle with an elastic band.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2010, 03:25:19 PM »
Instead of trying to put the port into a glass turn the bottle the other way round and try the same thing.

Where does the port go?
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2010, 03:54:50 PM »
This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season. However, I smashed the cork with the corkscrew and the broken shards fell inside the bottle. I tried to drink it, but when I poured it into a glass, shards of cork came out too, and a fine cork dust polluted the port so absolutely as to preclude our enjoyment of it whatsoever. Now, to do what I could to salvage the port, I cut a square from a bedsheet and attached it to the neck of the bottle with an elastic band.

I turned the port bottle above the glass, but the port outpouring was scant, and stopped quickly. I soon found the only way to extract the filtered port from the bottle and into the glass was to hold the neck close to the glass and raise the bottle away from the glass at an accelerating rate. My challenge to globularists everywhere is as follows: if the universal force of gravity is all that extracted the port from the bottle under normal conditions, why is that it was only by stacking acceleration of my own creation that I was able toextract the port under these modifed conditions?

I had previously wondered if gravity weren't in theory entirely equialent to acceleration of our terrestrial plane; I now wonder if the conditions of decanting are not entirely at odds with the globularist lie and this equivalence principle is actually false, but strongly in the zetetic direction - that namely there are conditions upon the Earth which produce circumstances entirely discrediting the theory of gravity altogether, whilst preserving the predictions of universal acceleration, and thereby also demonstrating the falsity of the equivalence principle?

It is fair to say that my worldview has been shaken by this bottle of port, which has only been poured with the assistance of artificial acceleration entirely apart from and contrary to the theory of Newtonian gravitational physics.

What a very heartfelt story. I only wish I knew what you were trying to say by sharing it with us.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2010, 08:56:36 PM »
He never said it was corked.

Uh, yes he did:

This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season. However, I smashed the cork with the corkscrew and the broken shards fell inside the bottle. I tried to drink it, but when I poured it into a glass, shards of cork came out too, and a fine cork dust polluted the port so absolutely as to preclude our enjoyment of it whatsoever. Now, to do what I could to salvage the port, I cut a square from a bedsheet and attached it to the neck of the bottle with an elastic band.

Cork in drink =/= corked

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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2010, 04:12:10 AM »
I'm not sure what the big deal is.  The sheet he used was obviously too dense to let the port flow through it at gravity's regular force, so he had to shake it around to add more force.  And as others said, sediment may have build up and needed to be dislodged.

Good try though   :)

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2010, 06:48:13 AM »
I'm not sure what the big deal is.  The sheet he used was obviously too dense to let the port flow through it at gravity's regular force, so he had to shake it around to add more force.  And as others said, sediment may have build up and needed to be dislodged.

Good try though   :)

I think the lesson learned is - learn how to use a cork screw.


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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2010, 09:25:23 AM »
Or to not ruin decent bed-sheets in a vain attempt at debunking the Equivalence Principle  ;)

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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2010, 05:40:51 PM »
Or to not ruin decent bed-sheets in a vain attempt at debunking the Equivalence Principle  ;)


I think what he was attempting to do was drink the Port minus the cork. It is common to do this when wine contains pieces of cork or lots of sediment.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2010, 05:47:33 PM »
Or to not ruin decent bed-sheets in a vain attempt at debunking the Equivalence Principle  ;)


I think what he was attempting to do was drink the Port minus the cork. It is common to do this when wine contains pieces of cork or lots of sediment.

And as we said - he needs some cork opening experience or tools - the butlers friend is very helpful since it does not actually require you to pierce the cork.  Also bedsheets are not the best straining devices - and from I have seen of James his sheets are probably uber-high thread count cotton sheets which would have made things worse.
Always keep cheesecloth handy - it can be used to wrap wounds as well from corkscrew related accidents.

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