Clocktower is being harrassed.

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Clocktower is being harrassed.
« on: November 20, 2010, 05:25:05 PM »
Particularly by two people, EnglshGentleman and Thork. They follow him around in every thread he posts in and do nothing but hurl abuse at him and do not contribute to the discussions in progress at all. They even make abusive threads with the express purpose of flaming him and make false accusations against him. This behavior has continued for several weeks now and has only intensified. There have never been any consequences from these actions, not even a simple warning, leading them to harrass Clocktower more and more. Other people see that there are no consequences and just pile on the bandwagon.

There is a point where this needs to stop, and we've clearly passed it.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 05:34:03 PM »
C-C-C-CLOCKTOWER FAIL!!! is right next to M-M-M-MONSTER FAIL!!! which both of you so willingly post in. To try to use that is completely hypocritical. You also can't compare them because one is in the lower fora, while Clocktower's flaming and harassment takes place in the upperfora. Do show examples where we have followed Clocktower around from topic to topic, and have posted only with the intent of harassing and flaming him. At least with my thread, I provided many links to prove my point, you have not.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 05:35:14 PM »
I'm on board for the 100 day ban.

Would you be on board for the ban if Clocktower was an FE?

What makes you think he wouldn't?  ???

Because there is no shortage of FEs that act like Clocktower.


Justify this statement.

Couldn't resist.  ;D
Self-evident.

Clocktower doesn't make jokes.
Justify that claim.

You are my alt. Therefore, I know if you do or don't.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 05:42:01 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

I also currently only see one quote, and Thork isn't even in it.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2010, 05:45:34 PM by EnglshGentleman »

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 05:47:09 PM »
That does not justify you breaking the rules in such a blatant manner.

Which rules exactly? He is my alt as confirmed by a mod.

When is he gonna be banned by the way? A mod has yet to address his flaming and harassment.

"Please remember that this board is for genuine suggestions, problems and complaints. Accordingly, you are expected to conduct yourself properly here - in other words, post in a serious manner or not at all."

Read it, jackass.

I'm getting pretty fucking sick of this bullshit. If you do have an alt, the alt account should be permanently banned and you should get at least a 30 day ban. If you don't have an alt, than you're making bullshit accusations in the upper forums and should still get banned.
I am not an alt.
That's exactly what I'd expect you to say EG.

Please reference: http://digilander.libero.it/SATrack/The_World_From_The_ISS.html.
That is a very pretty hoax.

Most of us take a side. And most people seem to be closer chums with those whose side they share. FE or RE. I wonder if I had been RE would I spent more time PMing REr's? So this is an FE/RE bridge building thread. Post your favourite person from the opposition. Ill start the ball rolling.

My favourite REr is Berny. I think. (that's a disclaimer in case someone feels hurt). :p

EDIT: Berny, you don't have to pick me. lol. There are loads of Super FErs. I won't be upset. ;)
Mods, please move this to The Lounge.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 05:48:26 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

Those are pretty pathetic examples.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 06:04:53 PM »
How does the Earth look like a sphere?

By being a sphere

Justify this statement. The Earth at no point looks like a sphere in the video.
Justify your statement. How can the FE have edges except at the rim?

Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

I'm on board for the 100 day ban.

Would you be on board for the ban if Clocktower was an FE?

What makes you think he wouldn't?  ???

Because there is no shortage of FEs that act like Clocktower.


Justify this statement.

Couldn't resist.  ;D
Self-evident.

Clocktower doesn't make jokes.

Anything can be faked.

Matter cannot be faked.

Clocktower has given up.

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FLAT EARTH!!!

More proof of money laundering operations by the Conspiracy. Thanks for bringing it into our attention.
Please feel free to bring the Conspiracy into the debate. You concede the debate by resorting to a non-falsifiable point. Thanks for another victory for RET!
I was not the one who brought into this thread. It was you with the link in the OP. Thanks again for bringing it to our attention. I give credit where it's due.
Then no doubt you can show where the link in the OP uses the word 'conspiracy'.

Whenever you claim to have evidence that we have stuff in outer space, you are automatically causing the conspiracy to come into the debate.

You're really thick aren't you?

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 06:09:38 PM »
The hits just keep coming!

Discovery Magazine can be just as duped by the conspiracy as you are. You're really thick aren't you?

Please reference: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/11/15/sunset-on-mars/.

Here we see from another planet how its sunset appears. Note that the disc of the Sun disappears below the horizon. So on a round planet, this is how a sunset looks, just like it does on Earth.

That is probably the least convincing video I have seen so far. Prove that it is not faked.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 06:28:11 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

And please explain how any of these equate to the things Clocktower does, such as necroing an old thread to directly flame someone?
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 06:37:11 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

And please explain how any of these equate to the things Clocktower does, such as necroing an old thread to directly flame someone?

You have your own thread to discuss his activities, please use it for your own concerns.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 06:40:56 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

And please explain how any of these equate to the things Clocktower does, such as necroing an old thread to directly flame someone?

You have your own thread to discuss his activities, please use it for your own concerns.

I love your blatant RE bias. Since Clocktower is a RE'er, you overlook him doing the very things that you claim people do to him.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 06:44:29 PM »
Why should I make a topic that has already been discussed at length elsewhere? ???
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2010, 10:47:33 PM »
ClockTower was clearly trolling me on that day. And I don't want to prove there are lions on the moon. There are no lions on the moon. That's ridiculous! It was just ClockTower being silly.

I don't think there is any more I can do. It is clear that you have lied from the outset, criticising a diagram you do not understand. The answer is right in front of you.

That post makes me quite sure you were lying when you said you understood Rowbotham's diagram earlier. Why were you lying in an upper fora debate?

What is this, a petition?  We have a report feature.
I'll add my name. A petition is a great idea. Its like Dracu-Wolf.

I vote to ban ClockTower
ClockTower [1]

This isn't crying.
This is me telling you, what a prick you are.

As you can see, it just goes on and on like this. And I'm not even including the bandwagon jumpers like parsec, Parsifal, etc.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 10:53:23 PM »
Now explain how that is flaming and harassing him, and how that is stalking him from thread to thread.

Those are pretty pathetic examples.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 04:27:07 AM »
Well I have only just seen this thread.

I would like you to consider a few things GD. First is that both myself and EG only engage in one or two threads at a time. ClockTower engages in them all. It is not that we follow him around. It is that there are no threads without his input. It is impossible to find an active thread which he is not already in. Therefore it is not following him around. It is a consequence of his already being there.

The second issue is that ClockTower makes himself the centre of as many threads as he can. I can make a nice little post that I am pleased with - some take a little while to construct. Under which, before anyone else can post I will see "Justify this claim" or "No evidence, expected and noted". He is the most frequent offender for low content posting. It makes threads very difficult to maintain as it is all one way traffic. No matter what content is brought up you get one of 6 or 7 stock answers from ClockTower that try to kill the thread off. This can become very frustrating. In the end it is easy to see why an FEr might let out a disparaging remark. These are the ones you collect and post. What you will notice is that very rarely indeed does ClockTower get flamed on the first reply. It is usually much later into a thread when he out stays his welcome and input from others would be welcomed instead, that one tries to eject him from the debate.

ClockTower was clearly trolling me on that day. And I don't want to prove there are lions on the moon. There are no lions on the moon. That's ridiculous! It was just ClockTower being silly.
Is this harassment? How? It is neither abusive nor damaging.

I don't think there is any more I can do. It is clear that you have lied from the outset, criticising a diagram you do not understand. The answer is right in front of you.
A statement of fact in that thread. ClockTower did not understand the diagram and lied about it. I know he did not understand it from both his follow up posts and because I had not at that point provided a key for it.

That post makes me quite sure you were lying when you said you understood Rowbotham's diagram earlier. Why were you lying in an upper fora debate?
Same thread with ClockTower still continuing the same lie. His outrageous lying was derailing from the subject at hand.

What is this, a petition?  We have a report feature.
I'll add my name. A petition is a great idea. Its like Dracu-Wolf.

I vote to ban ClockTower
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This is in a thread about ClockTower. It is called humour.

This isn't crying.
This is me telling you, what a prick you are.
Posted in RM so no breach of language. I note you did not quote from the thread that lead to this.

That does not justify you breaking the rules in such a blatant manner.

Which rules exactly? He is my alt as confirmed by a mod.

When is he gonna be banned by the way? A mod has yet to address his flaming and harassment.

"Please remember that this board is for genuine suggestions, problems and complaints. Accordingly, you are expected to conduct yourself properly here - in other words, post in a serious manner or not at all."

Read it, jackass.

I'm getting pretty fucking sick of this bullshit. If you do have an alt, the alt account should be permanently banned and you should get at least a 30 day ban. If you don't have an alt, than you're making bullshit accusations in the upper forums and should still get banned.
I am not an alt.
That's exactly what I'd expect you to say EG.
A joke with EnglshGentleman. Does no harm to CT. The mods do not take this alt accusation seriously. If they did action would have been taken weeks ago.

Please reference: http://digilander.libero.it/SATrack/The_World_From_The_ISS.html.
That is a very pretty hoax.
Standard FE response to a satellite image. Where is the problem with that? Abusive and flaming? It is polite and the exact response ClockTower should expect.

Most of us take a side. And most people seem to be closer chums with those whose side they share. FE or RE. I wonder if I had been RE would I spent more time PMing REr's? So this is an FE/RE bridge building thread. Post your favourite person from the opposition. Ill start the ball rolling.

My favourite REr is Berny. I think. (that's a disclaimer in case someone feels hurt). :p

EDIT: Berny, you don't have to pick me. lol. There are loads of Super FErs. I won't be upset. ;)
Mods, please move this to The Lounge.
You don't like any FErs. Noted.
So ClockTower can come into my thread, wrongly suggest it is in the wrong forum to derail it (Note he came to my thread again), fail to provide any content whatsoever, and so when I dismiss his comments to get my thread back on track, I am in the wrong?

Anyway, what is this to you? If ClockTower has a problem I'm sure he is more than capable of posting for himself. He doesn't need you pushing your nose between his cheeks again.

As for the ClockTower Fail thread, so many members post in that, one can hardly say that is my fault - I neither created it nor have posted the most in it. Even the mods post in that. It has been accepted for some time. Again if ClockTower has a problem with it, he should be the only writing a new thread in S&C. The mods will then have to address it directly. Stop being a little fishwife. None of these issues relate to you.



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I agree with both sides of this thread.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 05:07:53 AM »
That whole nonsense where Thork went on about Clocktower claiming there were lions on the moon and getting people like parsec involved when Clocktower didn't once mention lions was kinda stupid. I'd expect someone who claims to be here seriously to act a little better. I agree with this thread.

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 05:26:03 AM »
I think ClockTower is grown up enough and mature to defend himself.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 05:37:43 AM »
@Thork: Look, all CT is doing here is trying to hold everyone accountable for what they post. I understand that makes you have decided to do here (play devil's advocate) a little bit harder, but if you really don't like it, just ignore it. This whole situation has turned into a huge feud that has consumed this entire place, and it is no fun for anyone.

My point is that someone has to be the bigger man here. Clocktower just points out the obvious flaws in ideas in a more-or-less civilized manner. Yes he calls you a troll a lot, but you have to admit, you brought that on yourself, both with that post you deleted, and your habit of saying something completely ridiculous whenever he shows up (the lions thing, the penguins thing, etc).

Maybe you and EG shouldn't bitch and moan about being harassed if you intend to do the same thing right back to him. No I don't really think these examples are harassment, but neither is what he does to you. We all just need to grow the fuck up here.

EDIT: Maybe you should find a non-standard FE response every once in a while. I've thought of several concepts I could have used to argue FE with from reading a couple scientific magazines, they were a hell of a lot more convincing than the things you post, and I had references that backed them up.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2010, 05:49:04 AM »
@Thork: Look, all CT is doing here is trying to hold everyone accountable for what they post. I understand that makes you have decided to do here (play devil's advocate) a little bit harder, but if you really don't like it, just ignore it. This whole situation has turned into a huge feud that has consumed this entire place, and it is no fun for anyone.

My point is that someone has to be the bigger man here. Clocktower just points out the obvious flaws in ideas in a more-or-less civilized manner. Yes he calls you a troll a lot, but you have to admit, you brought that on yourself, both with that post you deleted, and your habit of saying something completely ridiculous whenever he shows up (the lions thing, the penguins thing, etc).

Maybe you and EG shouldn't bitch and moan about being harassed if you intend to do the same thing right back to him. No I don't really think these examples are harassment, but neither is what he does to you. We all just need to grow the fuck up here.

EDIT: Maybe you should find a non-standard FE response every once in a while. I've thought of several concepts I could have used to argue FE with from reading a couple scientific magazines, they were a hell of a lot more convincing than the things you post, and I had references that backed them up.
This is one of the most intelligent and mature things posted on this forum in a long time.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2010, 06:28:57 AM »
@Thork: Look, all CT is doing here is trying to hold everyone accountable for what they post. I understand that makes you have decided to do here (play devil's advocate) a little bit harder, but if you really don't like it, just ignore it. This whole situation has turned into a huge feud that has consumed this entire place, and it is no fun for anyone.
All I would like is a bit more effort on CT's part. That is it. Just some content. "Justify this statement" requires me to do all the leg work yet again. More sources, more reasoning. It would make threads run so much better if "Your statement has omitted x and y proves the opposite" with x & y being new things brought to the debate.

My point is that someone has to be the bigger man here. Clocktower just points out the obvious flaws in ideas in a more-or-less civilized manner. Yes he calls you a troll a lot, but you have to admit, you brought that on yourself, both with that post you deleted, and your habit of saying something completely ridiculous whenever he shows up (the lions thing, the penguins thing, etc).
Calling me a troll as soon as I put forward an argument does not help the debate. Bringing in penguins or lions is me giving up. If I can't have the debate a thread deserves, I have a sense of humour that I will feed instead.

Maybe you and EG shouldn't bitch and moan about being harassed if you intend to do the same thing right back to him. No I don't really think these examples are harassment, but neither is what he does to you. We all just need to grow the fuck up here.
The difference is that if I see ClockTower having a good debate with Tom Bishop or Wilmore, I leave the thread well alone. I don't come in and try to shut down the debate with "justify this", "false",  "ClockTower is a troll and shouldn't be believed". ClockTower does this in all my threads. Now I don't mind him in my threads at all, when he is contributing.

EDIT: Maybe you should find a non-standard FE response every once in a while. I've thought of several concepts I could have used to argue FE with from reading a couple scientific magazines, they were a hell of a lot more convincing than the things you post, and I had references that backed them up.
Well I'm between a rock and a hard place with this. If I come out with the standard response, I am criticised by you. When I come out with a different one I am criticised by you for trying to rewrite FET.
As for you spotting FE arguments you will. And I spot awesome RET ones. I sent this PM to Berny a few days ago.

EDIT: GD has read so it has been removed.

Now you can see the effort I put into some of my threads, can you not understand how frustrating it is when the first response is ClockTower saying "So no evidence then. Noted" or hi-lighting a spelling mistake in red.
Finding arguments for the opposition will just happen as you spot weaknesses in your own argument. As I have posted some RET ones, what were your FE ones? If you like, post an FE argument in RM. We can all play each other's roles (all be DAs - FErs arguing RE, RErs arguing FE - we all might learn something we can bring back to the upper fora). You will see being an FEr isn't all that easy. Finding source material is hard, as the internet is geared for RET.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2010, 06:57:31 AM »
I think I misspoke with my "rewrite the theory" thing. I'm all for people trying to fill in the gaps in the theory in a plausible manner.

I will contend that you giving the standard "that's fake" response also does not help debate. And there is really no point in debating sometimes when the obvious answer has been given to you but you refuse to accept it (and others like EG pile on and keep a thread alive solely on word-twisting). None of it accomplishes anything.

You or others going on CT's threads and just giving the standard response with nothing to back it up also does not accomplish anything, you think it's easy coming up with proofs here when everything is dismissed with a wave of a hand?

If this side of you was visible on your threads, you would be the best FE'er ever, but it seems like all you do is do some calculation while ignoring some vital factor and say "this doesn't add up!".

Being a FE'er is easy, all you have to do is spam "read ENaG" all over the place. Being a good FE'er is indeed very hard, you have to craft just the right argument that is difficult or impossible to disprove on the average person's budget, yet still make enough sense to be plausible if the earth were somehow flat.

By the way, your RE proofs count for absolutely nothing when someone can just say all the data is faked, or that the planets just move like that on their own. I like where your head is at on those, but in the context of this place, they don't prove a thing. I like to think my meteor shower/comet thing is pretty indisputable, but no one has tackled that one yet.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2010, 07:20:52 AM »
Ok, let me give you an example. On a few occasions I have thrown out there that RET can't explain eclipses. Why is it the moon just happens to be the right size and distance to cover the sun exactly? The response I have had every time is coincidence.
Now that is rubbish.

Look at the diagram below, it explains size.
http://goldennumber.net/solarsys.htm

Then consider that all the moons and planets follow titus-bode law (Fibonacci distancing). The fact the moon covers the sun perfectly is no coincidence at all. Yes the moon moves 2 inches further away every year, but the earth's orbit also changes with respect to the sun. Hence leap seconds. Now when I get an answer like 'coincidence' instead, can you not see how that is a victory for FE? In this case RErs have been unable to explain RET. Its not that RET is wrong in this instance. But the RErs have failed. There are countless examples where I have done this throughout threads. It isn't trolling. Its making damn sure you understand a process before you try to bash FE with a proof.
Yes it is subtle, but many of the posts when examined could lead onto interesting debates. ClockTower is never going to read into my posts because after 2 seconds reading I get "False" or equivalent. If I got a justification like the one I just outlined, that would make the debate worthwhile would it not? Surely someone would see that and have a better understanding of the physical universe for RET before spouting off FET is rubbish. Otherwise it is just frustrating that it all gets brushed under the carpet in a trollfest. If we want to keep the forums low-brow, shrimp and moonlight it is. But to have intelligent debate requires both sides to make an effort.

A gentle example of Fibonacci there. It can be used over and over. One can't just throw out every example when there is no FET equivalent. (yet lol!)

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2010, 07:29:26 AM »
One can't just throw out every example when there is no FET equivalent. (yet lol!)

But it happens here every minute of every day. I agree that this example is very elegant, but it still counts for absolutely nothing here, which is probably why so many RE advocates like myself and CT have become so jaded. If all that is required from the opposition is "fake", why should we be any different?

Someone has to reform the system first, and while I appreciate in theory what you are trying to do here, in practice, you are just as bad as everyone else. If you want a higher standard, then change yourself first, and try to change the attitudes of other FE'ers when they do it.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2010, 07:43:14 AM »
One can't just throw out every example when there is no FET equivalent. (yet lol!)

But it happens here every minute of every day. I agree that this example is very elegant, but it still counts for absolutely nothing here, which is probably why so many RE advocates like myself and CT have become so jaded. If all that is required from the opposition is "fake", why should we be any different?

Someone has to reform the system first, and while I appreciate in theory what you are trying to do here, in practice, you are just as bad as everyone else. If you want a higher standard, then change yourself first, and try to change the attitudes of other FE'ers when they do it.
Fake is the standard response to satellite photos. It is used for noobs coming to the site with a picture and "explain this". It is why I was fairly surprised to see ClockTower post such a thing. Posting a satellite image takes no effort. Why should that be responded to with any effort? Posting fake and getting people to read the FAQ and about conspiracy brings them up to speed. Then it is hoped they find new ways and interesting angles from which to debate. Whenever I see satellite photos, balloon footage etc, its just same old. I rarely get involved in any of them.
If a topic is interesting, then it gets a post worth of its content. If it is a thread about moonlight, maps or balloons, it gets the response that deserves.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2010, 07:47:21 AM »
I don't want to get into another flame war with you, but what makes you think your threads are so much more interesting than everyone else's?

I'm just saying that if you want anything to change, you have to take a little responsibility, and not do the things you are arguing against. Ever. If a thread doesn't interest you, don't post in it. There's no need to be a jerk when there are plenty of other jerks around here to take care of that for you. If you want a higher standard, hold yourself to that higher standard first.

I just tend to avoid the threads that contain the standard pointless bickering unless I see a really good point raised or someone reveals a good opening I can exploit. I realized that I don't need to post in threads I can't really make a contribution to.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2010, 08:31:53 AM »
First, I am not interested in a flame war either and my last post was not a flame.
Below is my thread selection rule of thumb.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43491.msg1080266#msg1080266

Like you, I am selective. I will post if something is genuinely interesting or is amusing to me. And sorry, but funny threads are something I will participate in. However there is a marked change in my posting style. I'll use recipes and evidence of moon shrimp for example. It should be quite obvious when I am having a bit of fun, and when a serious debate is getting a thorough examination.

ClockTower is not discerning. He posts in every thread whether or not he has anything to add. That is one of the main reasons he gets it from all angles from lots of FErs. We have all been on the end of it.

Now where we go from here I don't know. You know how I post. You know why I post in the way I do. If it seems like a serious thread I'd say just dig a bit before you criticise my statements. If its ridiculous and you don't want to come on board, fine, ignore that one. But this thread is about the treatment ClockTower gets. For him to get a change of reaction from the FErs, surely it is him that needs a change of posting style?

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 09:44:42 AM »
@Thork: Look, all CT is doing here is trying to hold everyone accountable for what they post.

No he doesn't. He doesn't follow me around, he doesn't follow gotham around, he doesn't follow Tom Bishop around. He only does this to Thork. And the way that Clocktower goes about this is completely impermissible. There is a difference between acknowledging what Thork has said in the past, as you and many other RE'ers do, and trying to antagonize him about it in every other thread, regardless of whether it is derailing or not. If Clocktower was bringing this stuff up constantly in RM or the Lounge, I honestly wouldn't care. But when he is derailing threads in the upper fora, that is when it is completely unnecessary, and against the rules. When Clocktower has gone as far as necroing threads in the upperfora just to try and get a cheap shot in, that is when the mods need to take a look.

If you want a higher standard, then change yourself first, and try to change the attitudes of other FE'ers when they do it.

Have you ever considered that our behavior is in reaction to Clocktower's? If you find any threads without Clocktower in them, they go along just fine. Changing how we post won't change anything if Clocktower is the root of the problem. I doubt that Clocktower has any intention of changing. Why? Because within his first week of being here, I pmed him saying that he should be more cordial, and what happened? He blocked me from pming him.

If you want a change, then you need to pull the problem out by it's roots. And that means Clocktower.
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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 12:23:24 PM »
I'm impressed that General Disarray can say so much with Clocktower's cock in his mouth.

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Re: Clocktower is being harrassed.
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 01:22:32 PM »
First, I am not interested in a flame war either and my last post was not a flame.
Below is my thread selection rule of thumb.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43491.msg1080266#msg1080266

Like you, I am selective. I will post if something is genuinely interesting or is amusing to me. And sorry, but funny threads are something I will participate in. However there is a marked change in my posting style. I'll use recipes and evidence of moon shrimp for example. It should be quite obvious when I am having a bit of fun, and when a serious debate is getting a thorough examination.

ClockTower is not discerning. He posts in every thread whether or not he has anything to add. That is one of the main reasons he gets it from all angles from lots of FErs. We have all been on the end of it.

Now where we go from here I don't know. You know how I post. You know why I post in the way I do. If it seems like a serious thread I'd say just dig a bit before you criticise my statements. If its ridiculous and you don't want to come on board, fine, ignore that one. But this thread is about the treatment ClockTower gets. For him to get a change of reaction from the FErs, surely it is him that needs a change of posting style?

I'm not saying that I agree with everything he does, but quite often his posts are the most efficient way to say "You're full of shit and we all know it." I'm just saying that if you post something troll-ish, you shouldn't get upset if you get counter-trolled. Go play were-donkey if you wanna have fun  :P

Now that I'm sure of your objectives here, I can say that I personally will look for the deeper reason behind your threads and give them a fair chance.
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