Magellan and photos from space

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Magellan and photos from space
« on: November 18, 2010, 10:54:26 AM »
Ferdinand Magellan's crew went all the way around the world(Magellan himself died from being shot by a poisoned arrow or poison blow dart). So if the world is flat then how could someone possibly go all the way around the world? It would be impossible unless you went around the outer extremities and actually SAW the edge of the world. Also, We have pictures from outer space that proves that the Earth is round. So what do you all say to that? Keep in mind that these aren't necessarily my views but questions to test the mettle of this theory. Thank you.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 11:44:52 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.

Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 11:46:20 AM »
 The Atlantic Ocean is between the group of Africa and Europe and the group of the Americas. The Indian Ocean is between Asia and Africa. However, if the claim of the Flat Earth Theory is to be believed then either the Pacific Ocean (the largest ocean in the world) is actually separated by most of the known world (the area next to the Americas would be separated from the area next to Asia and Australia) or does not exist next to Asia and Australia or does not exist next to the Americas. Which is it? What about the fact that it is possible to see Russia (which according to the Flat Earth Theory is all the way across the world) from Alaska. In fact according to this website it is possible to walk to Russia from Alaska (not the mainland of either of course but from islands that belong to them). http://www.slate.com/id/2200155/

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 11:48:06 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.

Way to keep being a dick to new posters.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 11:51:11 AM »
Can I see the image that Flat Earth Theory believers hold to be the picture of the Earth?

Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 11:54:14 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.
But going around in a circle around one part of the world would not but circumnavigation of the whole but rather of the part. So can you please explain this theory of going around the North Pole equaling going around the whole world?

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 12:03:36 PM »
Can I see the image that Flat Earth Theory believers hold to be the picture of the Earth?
Actually the FAQ map isn't great. There are flaws in it as you point out, like seeing Alaska from Russia. The map below was drawn by Rowbotham. Founding father of the modern flat earth movement. It may go to explain some of your questions.


As for going round the North pole, if one supposed the earth was round and not flat, circumnavigating the globe would be a case of trying to sail around the equator as best you can allowing for land masses. However if that earth turned out to be flat, what you would have in fact achieved is a circle around the North Pole close to the 0 degree latitude as best you can allowing for landmasses. Your compass would still tell you the same thing.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 12:04:26 PM »
According to the theory of sunlight and how it only covers certain parts of the world (i say theory for the purposes of the Flat Earth Theory being true) the reason that it only covers parts of the world is because those are the parts facing the Sun. But if we are accepting the Flat Earth Theory as fact rather than fiction, then the Sun should cover all the world.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 12:33:38 PM »
FET is very different from RET. The sun is much closer and has a spot light effect.

Below is a picture. Same guy, same book.


You can read a more comprehensive explanation linked below.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za26.htm

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 07:36:44 PM »
FET is very different from RET. The sun is much closer and has a spot light effect.

Below is a picture. Same guy, same book.


You can read a more comprehensive explanation linked below.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za26.htm

This picture does not accurately represent how seasons occur; how in December North America, Europe, etc have slimmer sunlight than South America, Africa, etc.

Does the sun's spotlight warp throughout the year?

How?
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 03:46:31 AM »
FET is very different from RET. The sun is much closer and has a spot light effect.

Below is a picture. Same guy, same book.


You can read a more comprehensive explanation linked below.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za26.htm
Umm, OK... How long is it day light for in the southern hemisphere? I live in Australia, please explain the extended daylight hours. Sunrise 5:24 am AWST Sunset 6:33 pm AWST. Thats 13 hours 9 minutes. I was up at 5:30 am, it was already light, still daylight at about 6:30 pm. Your image contradicts this.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 04:32:34 AM »
Do you see Australia on the map I provided? It does not exists. You probably live in a quiet part of the United States and have just been told you live in Australia. Sidney, Melbourne, Canberra etc all in quiet parts of the US.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 05:46:50 AM »
Do you see Australia on the map I provided? It does not exists. You probably live in a quiet part of the United States and have just been told you live in Australia. Sidney, Melbourne, Canberra etc all in quiet parts of the US.

lol thats the funniest thing I've ever seen on this forum!!  ;D


(I hope you're not serious)

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 06:22:17 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.
FAQ is a bunch of nonsense. All you ever post is, "Read the FAW/Wiki/Read ENaG," or, "OMG Clocktower failed again!" Why don't you provide something for once Thork?

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 06:36:54 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.
FAQ is a bunch of nonsense. All you ever post is, "Read the FAW/Wiki/Read ENaG," or, "OMG Clocktower failed again!" Why don't you provide something for once Thork?
Both myself and EnglshGentleman have submitted additions/corrections to the FAQ to help flesh it out, some weeks ago. Our efforts are currently with the Zetetic Council, being peer reviewed. Should our efforts be accepted or the criticism useful, I will be more inclined to produce further data.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 06:40:19 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.
FAQ is a bunch of nonsense. All you ever post is, "Read the FAW/Wiki/Read ENaG," or, "OMG Clocktower failed again!" Why don't you provide something for once Thork?
Both myself and EnglshGentleman have submitted additions/corrections to the FAQ to help flesh it out, some weeks ago. Our efforts are currently with the Zetetic Council, being peer reviewed. Should our efforts be accepted or the criticism useful, I will be more inclined to produce further data.
Oh you and EG? Wonderful. Since you talk about moon shrimp and EG once provided a theory about a black hole between the Earth and the moon I'm excited to see more inaccuracies in the FAQ.

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Thork

Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 06:58:29 AM »
You are late. Yesterday was noobs day. However welcome. :) It is easy to explain circumnavigation on a flat earth. One needs only to sail in a circle around the North Pole at a middling latitude. You would always be heading either east or west depending on which direction you went. Check the FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum for a map, so you can visualise this).

As for outer space pictures we say "Conspiracy". Again there is a bit more info in the FAQ on this.
FAQ is a bunch of nonsense. All you ever post is, "Read the FAW/Wiki/Read ENaG," or, "OMG Clocktower failed again!" Why don't you provide something for once Thork?
Both myself and EnglshGentleman have submitted additions/corrections to the FAQ to help flesh it out, some weeks ago. Our efforts are currently with the Zetetic Council, being peer reviewed. Should our efforts be accepted or the criticism useful, I will be more inclined to produce further data.
Oh you and EG? Wonderful. Since you talk about moon shrimp and EG once provided a theory about a black hole between the Earth and the moon I'm excited to see more inaccuracies in the FAQ.
I'm not sure you will be happy whatever I do. You just criticised me for never contributing. When I explain that I do, you dismiss this as not being worth anything. Do you want me to contribute or not?

Moon shrimp was not my theory for the record. This was the result of Ichi's research on the bioluminesence of the moon regarding his plant experiments and Pongo's theories on the moon. I cannot take credit for that. As for Australia not existing, have a lurk. That did not just come out of the blue. The existence of Australia has long been debated by FET.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=137&p=13211
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42405.10;wap2
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42405.0;wap2
Link is a different forum but they are all members of this site. Its also mentioned here too, but you can search for that.
I understand that the Flat Earth Society first questioned the existence of Australia in May 1978. This is not just something I have made up. 

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Flat_Earth_Society
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It is essentially Scientology minus the Nazi undertones. Their pseudo-intellectualism is that to rival greenfags. They claim to be seekers of truth and leaders of science, all of which is backed on somebook called Earth Not a Globe, which is written by some doctor named Rowbotham. Yet their discoveries include that moonlight is dangerous and that Australia doesn't actually exist. They make Scilons look like geniuses. After reading the FAQ, you are 100% guaranteed to rage.

Now, what are the odds that an "Australia doesn't exist?" type thread gets made now?

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2010, 03:59:10 AM »
Do you see Australia on the map I provided? It does not exists. You probably live in a quiet part of the United States and have just been told you live in Australia. Sidney, Melbourne, Canberra etc all in quiet parts of the US.
Nice to know that you are wrong on every account. I live in tyhe most geographically remote captial city in the world, which is none of the above. I have been overseas and out of state on several occasions. Sometimes I drive, other times I have flown. When I drive, I have never used a GPS. Some of the drives have taken considerable time.

If Australia does not exist, based on my observation and recorded sunrise/sunset times please tell me where in the US I may be. Failing that, where in the world. Those times were for 19th November 2010.

By the way Thork, can I assume that you are another hated arrogant American.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2010, 04:12:13 AM »
20th November 2010
Sunrise 5:24 am AWST
Sunset 6:34 pm AWST

And if this helps
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jacob/riseset.html
So please, tell me where in the world I reside.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2010, 04:16:18 AM »
20th November 2010
Sunrise 5:24 am AWST
Sunset 6:34 pm AWST

And if this helps
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jacob/riseset.html
So please, tell me where in the world I reside.
Must be Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Scotland
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2010, 04:37:34 AM »
20th November 2010
Sunrise 5:24 am AWST
Sunset 6:34 pm AWST

And if this helps
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jacob/riseset.html
So please, tell me where in the world I reside.
Must be Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Scotland
Obviously there is a good reason to call you a spanner. Did you also bother to check what AWST stands for or what the sunrise sunset times are for Scotland? Ask someone from Scotland what a Kangaroo paw is, see what answer you get (if it's to do with a kangaroo the animal they are wrong).
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 04:58:11 AM »
20th November 2010
Sunrise 5:24 am AWST
Sunset 6:34 pm AWST

And if this helps
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jacob/riseset.html
So please, tell me where in the world I reside.
Must be Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Scotland
Obviously there is a good reason to call you a spanner. Did you also bother to check what AWST stands for or what the sunrise sunset times are for Scotland? Ask someone from Scotland what a Kangaroo paw is, see what answer you get (if it's to do with a kangaroo the animal they are wrong).
it's a plant.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 05:58:47 AM »
Do you see Australia on the map I provided? It does not exists. You probably live in a quiet part of the United States and have just been told you live in Australia. Sidney, Melbourne, Canberra etc all in quiet parts of the US.
Nice to know that you are wrong on every account. I live in tyhe most geographically remote captial city in the world, which is none of the above. I have been overseas and out of state on several occasions. Sometimes I drive, other times I have flown. When I drive, I have never used a GPS. Some of the drives have taken considerable time.
First you say you live in Australia. Then you claim you live in a Capital city. Then you claim you do not live in Canberra. You are lying somewhere.

If Australia does not exist, based on my observation and recorded sunrise/sunset times please tell me where in the US I may be. Failing that, where in the world. Those times were for 19th November 2010.
Well I am not sure where they distribute all the hidden Australian cities. That is all part of the Conspiracy.
However I do find it suspicious that Melbourne International Airport is in Florida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_International_Airport
Adelaide is in Georgia.
http://www.holiday-weather.com/adelaide_georgia_us/index.html
Brisbane is in California.
http://www.brisbaneusa.com/
Which city do you live in? I'll see if I can find out for you.

By the way Thork, can I assume that you are another hated arrogant American.
You can assume what you like but the waving flag in my signature is a bit of a give away.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2010, 07:28:45 AM »
Two cities can be named the same in different countries:
Example: Cordoba, one in Spain (Andalucia region). The other one in Argentina.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 07:39:21 AM »

By the way Thork, can I assume that you are another hated arrogant American.
You can assume what you like but the waving flag in my signature is a bit of a give away.
I shouldn't imagine the English flag will mean much to a Scot


Yes there is a good reason for the name Spanner. There is also a good reason for 34.5 before you ask.
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2010, 07:43:49 AM »
I shouldn't imagine the English flag will mean much to a Scot
Atom Man is a Scot? He must live in the arid part of Scotland where Perth is.
http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=20283
« Last Edit: November 20, 2010, 07:46:01 AM by Thork »

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2010, 07:52:17 AM »
Thankyou Kira-SY.

Australia has more than one capital city. Canberra is the national capital, each state also has a capital city. Just like every other country with states.

I was also previously aware that there is a Perth in Scotland. I have driven from Perth to Adelaide. Had to go through the Nullabor plain and past the Australian Bite. From there to Brisbane and Sydney. Bit hard to drive from Perth Scotland to Adelaide Georgia.

Did you bother to check the Sunrise sunset times. Or did you think that trolling would be more fun?
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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2010, 07:54:30 AM »
I shouldn't imagine the English flag will mean much to a Scot
Atom Man is a Scot? He must live in the arid part of Scotland where Perth is.
http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=20283

Arid part of Scotland?  There is no arid part of Scotland - or England for that matter.  Thats why they moved London on the Thames to Canada - much better weather than the wet miserable stuff they have over there.

Berny
Lives in London, by the Thames, in Middlesex Country, and works besides Coventry Market Gardens.
Not in England

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2010, 08:04:26 AM »
I shouldn't imagine the English flag will mean much to a Scot
Atom Man is a Scot? He must live in the arid part of Scotland where Perth is.
http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=20283

Arid part of Scotland?  There is no arid part of Scotland - or England for that matter.  Thats why they moved London on the Thames to Canada - much better weather than the wet miserable stuff they have over there.

Berny
Lives in London, by the Thames, in Middlesex Country, and works besides Coventry Market Gardens.
Not in England
Berny, are you sure you know where you live? I was born in Middlesex, live near the Thames, worked my last job in London and flew to Coventry not more than 2 months ago. Oh, I see. I have amended my signature.

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Re: Magellan and photos from space
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2010, 08:28:38 AM »
I shouldn't imagine the English flag will mean much to a Scot
Atom Man is a Scot? He must live in the arid part of Scotland where Perth is.
http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=20283

Arid part of Scotland?  There is no arid part of Scotland - or England for that matter.  Thats why they moved London on the Thames to Canada - much better weather than the wet miserable stuff they have over there.

Berny
Lives in London, by the Thames, in Middlesex Country, and works besides Coventry Market Gardens.
Not in England
Berny, are you sure you know where you live? I was born in Middlesex, live near the Thames, worked my last job in London and flew to Coventry not more than 2 months ago. Oh, I see. I have amended my signature.

Yes I live in the new and improved London - with snowy winters and sunshiny summers.  Not rainy winters and rainy summers.

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To be fair, sometimes what FE'ers say makes so little sense that it's hard to come up with a rebuttal.
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