Leonid and other meteor showers.

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 11:22:47 AM

Quote from: Username on November 23, 2010, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 10:53:28 AM

As I have mentioned multiple times the Moon have never been sighted in time of these phenomenons. So there is no reason to assume that the Moon has anything to do with it.

It is of non-terrestial origin and it comes from the heavens.  The closest body in the heavens is the moon.  It is reasonable to assume this happens during events on the moon that would cause it to be hard to see.  However, obviously this is not always the case.  Take Kerala for example.

  All rain comes from the heaven. And the snow. But you don't assume that all rain and snow is from the Moon or do you? And there is not much evidence that any of the blood rains are of non-terrestial origin. Only speculations. And there isn't still any Moon sightings in the times of phenomenons. If you are so sure then find some documented case where the moon phase and the assumed location on the sky is documented. Your Kerala for example. I didn't find any notions about the Kerala and its definitive relation to the Moon.

Look up the moon phases at Kerala during its many many blood rains over the years.

Also, consider that blood rain and manna are largely comprised of moon materials.

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

This paper reports the extraordinary biology of the microorganisms from the mysterious red rain of Kerala, India. These chemosynthetic organisms grow optimally at an extreme high temperature of 300 degrees C in hydrothermal conditions and can metabolize inorganic and organic compounds including hydrocarbons. Stages found in their life cycle show reproduction by a special multiple fission process and the red cells found in the red rain are identified as the resting spores of these microbes. While these extreme hyperthermophiles contain proteins, our study shows the absence of DNA in these organisms, indicating a new primitive domain of life with alternate thermostable genetics. This new biology proves our earlier hypothesis that these microbes are of extraterrestrial origin

A red rain phenomenon occurred in Kerala, India starting from 25th July 2001, in which the rainwater appeared coloured in various localized places that are spread over a few hundred kilometers in Kerala. Maximum cases were reported during the first 10 days and isolated cases were found to occur for about 2 months. The striking red colouration of the rainwater was found to be due to the suspension of microscopic red particles having the appearance of biological cells. These particles have no similarity with usual desert dust. An estimated minimum quantity of 50,000 kg of red particles has fallen from the sky through red rain. An analysis of this strange phenomenon further shows that the conventional atmospheric transport processes like dust storms etc. cannot explain this phenomenon. The electron microscopic study of the red particles shows fine cell structure indicating their biological cell like nature. EDAX analysis shows that the major elements present in these cell like particles are carbon and oxygen. Strangely, a test for DNA using Ethidium Bromide dye fluorescence technique indicates absence of DNA in these cells. In the context of a suspected link between a meteor airburst event and the red rain, the possibility for the extraterrestrial origin of these particles from cometary fragments is discussed.

We have shown that the red cells found in the Red Rain (which fell on Kerala, India, in 2001) survive and grow after incubation for periods of up to two hours at 121 oC . Under these conditions daughter cells appear within the original mother cells and the number of cells in the samples increases with length of exposure to 121 oC. No such increase in cells occurs at room temperature, suggesting that the increase in daughter cells is brought about by exposure of the Red Rain cells to high temperatures. This is an independent confirmation of results reported earlier by two of the present authors, claiming that the cells can replicate under high pressure at temperatures up to 300 oC. The flourescence behaviour of the red cells is shown to be in remarkable correspondence with the extended red emission observed in the Red Rectangle planetary nebula and other galactic and extragalactic dust clouds, suggesting, though not proving, an extraterrestrial origin.

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

If you don't care enough about the topic to read on it yourself, I don't care enough about it to enlighten you.

As I said, it would be reasonable that the moon would not be viewable at all times the rain or manna happens.

If you don't care enough about the topic to read on it yourself, I don't care enough about it to enlighten you.

As I said, it would be reasonable that the moon would not be viewable at all times the rain or manna happens.

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

That a FEer might not care enough about their discoveries to enlighten others is rather typical. We seem to come back to the tired refrain that FEers just don't have the details nor the precision to back their conclusions. How sad.

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:14:12 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

Wikipedia doesn't seem to have convinced Doctors Wainwright, Wickramasinghe, Gangappa, Kumar, and Louis as they released another paper in August for review.

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:14:12 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

Wikipedia doesn't seem to have convinced Doctors Wainwright, Wickramasinghe, Gangappa, Kumar, and Louis as they released another paper in August for review.

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:34:17 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:14:12 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

Wikipedia doesn't seem to have convinced Doctors Wainwright, Wickramasinghe, Gangappa, Kumar, and Louis as they released another paper in August for review.

As you'll note, those doctors have only be able to suggest an extraterrestrial origin.

This new biology proves our earlier hypothesis that these microbes are of extraterrestrial origin

They also haven't yet convinced the other scientists that these spores/organisms really are of extra-terrestrial origin.

Quote from: ClockTower on November 23, 2010, 12:43:30 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:34:17 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:14:12 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

Quote from: zork on November 23, 2010, 12:07:28 PM

  No, they are completely composed from the earth materials.

Most certainly not.

 Yes they are. Your material fails in many points and that is discussed in the wikipedia Extraterrestrial hypothesis section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala#Extraterrestrial_hypothesis

Wikipedia doesn't seem to have convinced Doctors Wainwright, Wickramasinghe, Gangappa, Kumar, and Louis as they released another paper in August for review.

As you'll note, those doctors have only be able to suggest an extraterrestrial origin.

Are you referring to their work in  "New biology of red rain extremophiles prove cometary panspermia" or the current article?

Quote from: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312639

This new biology proves our earlier hypothesis that these microbes are of extraterrestrial origin

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

Quote from: The red rain phenomenon of Kerala and its possible extraterrestrial origin

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

As published in Astrophysics and Space Science.

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 01:43:32 PM

Quote from: The red rain phenomenon of Kerala and its possible extraterrestrial origin

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

As published in Astrophysics and Space Science.

Could you provide the page number of that quote. The abstract and title say differently. "its possible extraterrestrial origin" and "In the context of a suspected link between a meteor airburst event and the red rain, the possibility for the extraterrestrial origin of these particles from cometary fragments is discussed."

Quote from: ClockTower on November 23, 2010, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: Ski on November 23, 2010, 01:43:32 PM

Quote from: The red rain phenomenon of Kerala and its possible extraterrestrial origin

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

As published in Astrophysics and Space Science.

Could you provide the page number of that quote. The abstract and title say differently. "its possible extraterrestrial origin" and "In the context of a suspected link between a meteor airburst event and the red rain, the possibility for the extraterrestrial origin of these particles from cometary fragments is discussed."

No they don't say differently.  The possibility must be discussed for it to be proven.

Page 14

It's on Page 14 of the paper. Not page 14 of Astrophys.Space.Sci.

How many papers have you read? I'm beginning to think the answer is not many. Are you at all familiar with Cornell's ArXiv? I linked you to the abstract which contains a link to the actual paper. I can't physically hold your hand all day.

formation of the solar system can also end up in comets to seed the planets. Thus cells
in the interstellar clouds can reach planets as expected in cometary panspermia.
Panspermia also requires the opposite process of transport of cells from planets to
interstellar clouds. In radiopanspermia single exposed microorganisms are accelerated
to high velocity by stellar radiation pressure and leave a solar system and finally reach
interstellar space 47. In the present context we find that red rain cells have high UV
shielding property to escape the damaging UV radiation from a star. They have larger
size (3 to 4 times) when compared to bacterial spores, which means more radiation
pressure on them to move away from the star. If the mass of the cells remain low due
low density under dehydration, then radiation pressure can dominate over gravitational
attraction. When the Sun like stars reach red-giant stage, the temperature in Earth like
planets increase to high levels where only extremophilic organisms can survive. Finally
when the oceans in the planets evaporate away it can possibly launch the spores of
extremophilic organisms like the red rain cells into space along with the water vapour.
During a red-giant phase a star emit less UV radiation, thus cause low harm to microbes
in space. The cells driven out from the planet eventually reach the interstellar space and
act as potential seeds to seed later planetary systems in a next generation star. Thus life
can possibly continue to exist through several generations of stars.
In this paper we have shown how the red biological cells that caused the red rain
phenomenon of Kerala may have originated from a cometary body. As further
supporting work we have investigated the growth conditions and the reproduction
techniques of the red rain extremophiles. We will be reporting immediately the
extraordinary results of this study in another paper.

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

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The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

They may be have originated from a comet. They are not terrestrial.

Listen, I provided you with a link to a scientific paper published in a peer-reviewed journal that with pages of data that concludes the spores are not terrestrial. You are free to not agree with the findings. I will not continue to spoon-feed you all day in your petty game of semantics or (willful?) lack of reading comprehension. Your deliberate antics to derail discussion with repetitive and low-content posts has been addressed multiple times.

Quote from: The red rain phenomenon of Kerala and its possible extraterrestrial origin

The present study of red rain phenomenon of Kerala shows that the particles,
which caused the red colouration of the red rain, are not possibly of terrestrial origin.

As published in Astrophysics and Space Science.

If you don't care enough about the topic to read on it yourself, I don't care enough about it to enlighten you.