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Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND

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TrollCrusher

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Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« on: November 11, 2010, 09:14:19 PM »
 ;D   Thank for my addition to the Flat Earth Forums.

I want to start by giving weight to the Round Earth idea so much that FET will be reduced to a feather.

UNDENIABLE evidence for a round/spherical EARTH.
1. Pictures of the Moon.

a. If you don't believe them, why not?
b. Why would all nations of the world be familiar with a spherical earth if the US reached there first, assuming it's a conspiracy?
c. What motive would the world, let alone the US, have for this?

2. GPS

a. GPS DEPENDs upon satellites orbiting a clearly ROUND earth
b. What are some reasons for rejecting this widely used technology?, GLOBAL positioning system

3. Planes

a. The Godfather of all arguments against FEH. Planes DEPEND upon a round earth to chart their routes and coordinates. It's been proven how a plane get's from point A to point B.
b. If you don't believe planes use GPS or other modes of transmission control, explain what makes this possible...

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IF we sent one of you believers into space, how much are you willing to bet on the Earth still being flat?


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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 04:55:03 AM »
The only problem is that any evidence that supports a RE is inadmisable. Photos and GPS are all part  of the Conspiricy. Apparently about al 6.8 billion less 3 to 4 FES members have all been fooled by world governments, scientists, status quo...
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 08:49:05 AM »
GPS does not depend upon satellites. LORAN used towers; there's no reason to believe that GPS couldn't be supported similarly. Also, balloons could also be used if you want that approach.

I would stick with flight in the Southern hemisphere. The moon and GPS arguments aren't going to get you anywhere.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 09:23:18 AM »
Oh wow. Please read the FAQ and lurk. Everything you have stated has been gone over many times before.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 10:06:36 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 09:23:18 AM
Oh wow. Please read the FAQ and lurk. Everything you have stated has been gone over many times before.

And has never been successfully refuted.

Also, I have already shown that the FAQ has no answers. Please seek out that post.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 10:45:54 AM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 12, 2010, 08:49:05 AM
GPS does not depend upon satellites. LORAN used towers; there's no reason to believe that GPS couldn't be supported similarly.

First of all, LORAN is not GPS.  Among other things, there are huge gaps in LORAN coverage.

Secondly, as I have stated several times before, the GPS signals and (the civilian) data structure are in the public domain.  Anyone can build a receiver with a directional antenna and track the source of the signals as they move across the sky.  You can also analyze the data structure of the signal and see if the data is consistent with satellites orbiting a round earth.  There are ever several open source hardware and software projects for making your own receivers from scratch.
http://dev.emcelettronica.com/gps-receiver-design
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 11:02:18 AM »
Quote from: Horatio on November 12, 2010, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 09:23:18 AM
Oh wow. Please read the FAQ and lurk. Everything you have stated has been gone over many times before.

And has never been successfully refuted.

Also, I have already shown that the FAQ has no answers. Please seek out that post.

Lol you have claim that, you have spammed that, but never proved it.

Stop spamming.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 01:45:51 PM »
Quote from: Atom Man on November 12, 2010, 04:55:03 AM
The only problem is that any evidence that supports a RE is inadmisable. Photos and GPS are all part  of the Conspiricy. Apparently about al 6.8 billion less 3 to 4 FES members have all been fooled by world governments, scientists, status quo...

oops, there's one little problem....evidence in such a world-wide conspiracy.

Now tell me, what advances in modern geography and geology have been brought up due to the conclusion of a flat earth??
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 09:23:18 AM
Oh wow. Please read the FAQ and lurk. Everything you have stated has been gone over many times before.

As if the FAQ's had remotely satisfying answers. And they are marked by scientifically inaccurate/purely speculated information.

What advances and discoveries in modern science have been attributed to the flat earth "theory"?
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 02:48:40 PM »
Quote from: markjo on November 12, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
First of all, LORAN is not GPS.  Among other things, there are huge gaps in LORAN coverage.
Gaps in Loran are purely down to economic reasons. Most of the Northern hemisphere was covered but areas such as Africa, South America and Asia have gaps. Europe, China, Japan and the US are well covered.

If there were more beacons or indeed a longer range (and time has moved on since Loran), there is no reason a similar system could not be put into place and called GPS. Long range beacons mounted all along the ice wall would give a signal anywhere on a flat earth.

Quote from: markjo on November 12, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
Secondly, as I have stated several times before, the GPS signals and (the civilian) data structure are in the public domain.  Anyone can build a receiver with a directional antenna and track the source of the signals as they move across the sky.  You can also analyze the data structure of the signal and see if the data is consistent with satellites orbiting a round earth.  There are ever several open source hardware and software projects for making your own receivers from scratch.
http://dev.emcelettronica.com/gps-receiver-design
But as the FAQ states those signals can be distorted to make you believe any shape they wanted and that they are moving. It is common knowledge the signals have been tampered with in the past. That was called selective availability. The psuedolites could quite easily mimic moving satellites, with modern day computers calculating the error to apply.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 03:38:36 PM »
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.

If I knew how safe the shuttle was, sure. I would ride in the ship. Am I saying the ship would actually make it into outer space? Nope.

Why would you think I wouldn't?
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 06:57:25 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.

If I knew how safe the shuttle was, sure. I would ride in the ship. Am I saying the ship would actually make it into outer space? Nope.

Why would you think I wouldn't?

How about this, next time they are set for a launch....just go to the station and tell em your situation. They might joke around and laugh about it, and it would be understandable, but if you can gather enough believers, go and they will show you something that's been available since 1969. lolz. You are so adamant it won't make it into space,...they have the footage of rockets launched, footage of satellite missions going on TODAY.

How lost you must be in today's world of technology.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 07:04:19 PM »
Thork you are easily one of the most amusing peope on here, tell ya what, why don't you hire the best navigators in the world and take a trip down there, to the "ice wall", called Antarctica, find as many of these land transmitters as possible and have evidence proving they are responsible for this world-wide conspiracy that noone has evidence of.
I mean your research on this flat earth surely would give scientists enough insight to make businesses and studies on it....right? Why does every geologist and geographer depend on a spherical earth for their studies then? It's just hilarious to me..why do independent and group scientists in each field want to know things, want knowledge....and all come to the same conclusion that Earth is a sphere?

Science is about making conclusions from the facts. You people make "facts" from the conclusion, it's amusing.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 07:15:56 PM »
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.

If I knew how safe the shuttle was, sure. I would ride in the ship. Am I saying the ship would actually make it into outer space? Nope.

Why would you think I wouldn't?

How about this, next time they are set for a launch....just go to the station and tell em your situation. They might joke around and laugh about it, and it would be understandable, but if you can gather enough believers, go and they will show you something that's been available since 1969. lolz. You are so adamant it won't make it into space,...they have the footage of rockets launched, footage of satellite missions going on TODAY.

How lost you must be in today's world of technology.

Cuz that makes sense. If I get enough people and cause enough of a ruckus, they will launch us into space.  ???

Guess what? I have footage of another planet in which there are a blue sentient race that flies around on dragon looking things.

I also just saw footage in which an entire city was pretty much swallowed up by aliens and their brains stolen.

You must think this is real as well.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 07:35:16 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.

If I knew how safe the shuttle was, sure. I would ride in the ship. Am I saying the ship would actually make it into outer space? Nope.

Why would you think I wouldn't?

How about this, next time they are set for a launch....just go to the station and tell em your situation. They might joke around and laugh about it, and it would be understandable, but if you can gather enough believers, go and they will show you something that's been available since 1969. lolz. You are so adamant it won't make it into space,...they have the footage of rockets launched, footage of satellite missions going on TODAY.

How lost you must be in today's world of technology.

Cuz that makes sense. If I get enough people and cause enough of a ruckus, they will launch us into space.  ???

Guess what? I have footage of another planet in which there are a blue sentient race that flies around on dragon looking things.

I also just saw footage in which an entire city was pretty much swallowed up by aliens and their brains stolen.

You must think this is real as well.

you are hilarious. Show me the computerized or staged crap for that scenerio. We have all the news covering the space missions, all the major science networks hosting the shows,....interviews from top scientists and actual astronauts telling how it is in space.
You are delusional. Anbd btw, did I say they were gonna launch you? you were non compliant the first time
I meant you would watch em pull away, then look to your screens to check the status. Why do you think they have all those folks monitoring safety and trajectory for??
omg.........lol
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 07:38:04 PM »
EnglishGentleman, If you could provide evidence that the alien takeover is analogous to the space mission footage, more people might take you seriously, but you just make blank comparisons that aren't relevant.

ohhhh, but it's the world against you small folks when it comes to common knowledge....oohhhhh this is the end of the world...
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 09:22:47 PM »
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 07:35:16 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: TrollCrusher on November 12, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
If we sent you into space, would you comply given it's a free trip for you??? If not, why not.

If I knew how safe the shuttle was, sure. I would ride in the ship. Am I saying the ship would actually make it into outer space? Nope.

Why would you think I wouldn't?

How about this, next time they are set for a launch....just go to the station and tell em your situation. They might joke around and laugh about it, and it would be understandable, but if you can gather enough believers, go and they will show you something that's been available since 1969. lolz. You are so adamant it won't make it into space,...they have the footage of rockets launched, footage of satellite missions going on TODAY.

How lost you must be in today's world of technology.

Cuz that makes sense. If I get enough people and cause enough of a ruckus, they will launch us into space.  ???

Guess what? I have footage of another planet in which there are a blue sentient race that flies around on dragon looking things.

I also just saw footage in which an entire city was pretty much swallowed up by aliens and their brains stolen.

You must think this is real as well.

you are hilarious. Show me the computerized or staged crap for that scenerio.

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http://www.youtube.com/skylineinvasion
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 09:43:48 PM »
Trollcrusher, it's the FE way of tying to tell you everything you see isn't real. While it proves a point in a way, they're comparing what the world knows as a film intended for entertainment to what the world knows as a shuttle launch or a space walk. They're saying they can make blue aliens with weird things or an invasion in film, but I guess they don't realize how obviously fake the movies are either.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 10:26:54 PM »
Quote from: sillyrob on November 12, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
While it proves a point in a way, they're comparing what the world knows as a film intended for entertainment to what the world knows as a shuttle launch or a space walk.

Just like that time the world "knew" that the Chinese did a shuttle walk until it was proved that it was actually filmed underwater and then edited?

I however, commend you for the beginning of that post.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 10:37:56 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: sillyrob on November 12, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
While it proves a point in a way, they're comparing what the world knows as a film intended for entertainment to what the world knows as a shuttle launch or a space walk.

Just like that time the world "knew" that the Chinese did a shuttle walk until it was proved that it was actually filmed underwater and then edited?

I however, commend you for the beginning of that post.
You are quite wrong about the Chinese space (not shuttle) walk. Your claim is false. It's just amazing what some FEers pass off as truth.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 11:06:39 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: sillyrob on November 12, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
While it proves a point in a way, they're comparing what the world knows as a film intended for entertainment to what the world knows as a shuttle launch or a space walk.

Just like that time the world "knew" that the Chinese did a shuttle walk until it was proved that it was actually filmed underwater and then edited?

I however, commend you for the beginning of that post.

A youtube video is considered as a valid way of proving something?

"I saw it on a youtube video, it must be true!"

You've hit a new low.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 11:11:15 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: sillyrob on November 12, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
While it proves a point in a way, they're comparing what the world knows as a film intended for entertainment to what the world knows as a shuttle launch or a space walk.

Just like that time the world "knew" that the Chinese did a shuttle walk until it was proved that it was actually filmed underwater and then edited?

I however, commend you for the beginning of that post.
Proof of this?
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 11:41:19 PM »
If either of you did any actual research, you'd find the answer to be fairly obvious.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 11:44:38 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
If either of you did any actual research, you'd find the answer to be fairly obvious.
I dispute your claim. I researched this carefully. It is obvious that you're wrong again.
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 11:45:25 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 12, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
If either of you did any actual research, you'd find the answer to be fairly obvious.
I dispute your claim. I researched this carefully. It is obvious that you're wrong again.

Justify this statement.
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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2010, 12:12:39 AM »
Actually, if you want to prove a point YOU'RE supposed to show the evidence. You don't write a research paper and site sources by telling your teacher to find them.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 12:14:08 AM »
Quote from: sillyrob on November 13, 2010, 12:12:39 AM
Actually, if you want to prove a point YOU'RE supposed to show the evidence. You don't write a research paper and site sources by telling your teacher to find them.

Clocktower stated he researched this issue carefully and made a conclusion. There is a problem with me asking him to show it?  ???
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2010, 12:15:13 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 13, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: sillyrob on November 13, 2010, 12:12:39 AM
Actually, if you want to prove a point YOU'RE supposed to show the evidence. You don't write a research paper and site sources by telling your teacher to find them.

Clocktower stated he researched this issue carefully and made a conclusion. There is a problem with me asking him to show it?  ???
You stated the Chinese space walk was well known for being fake and filmed underwater. There is a problem with me asking you to prove it???
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2010, 12:34:42 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 12, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 12, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
If either of you did any actual research, you'd find the answer to be fairly obvious.
I dispute your claim. I researched this carefully. It is obvious that you're wrong again.

Justify this statement.
I refer you to the search function. I've already posted such evidence. Now where's your evidence to support your claims?
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Re: Why The Earth is undeniably ROUND
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2010, 05:43:28 AM »
Quote from: sillyrob on November 13, 2010, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 13, 2010, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: sillyrob on November 13, 2010, 12:12:39 AM
Actually, if you want to prove a point YOU'RE supposed to show the evidence. You don't write a research paper and site sources by telling your teacher to find them.

Clocktower stated he researched this issue carefully and made a conclusion. There is a problem with me asking him to show it?  ???
You stated the Chinese space walk was well known for being fake and filmed underwater. There is a problem with me asking you to prove it???
Sure there is problem. EG is known as a person who fails to prove quite anything but he is much eager to ask this always from others. Double standards, you know.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.
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