New name for spotlight effect?

Quote from: Thork on November 08, 2010, 04:34:15 PM

Ok, fine. Well you see where number 5 is on the diagram. That is the key to the explanation. You said you understand so you must know what the number 5 is telling you. Imagine where the number 5 will move to after when all the numbers are redistributed as the sun moves 90 degrees clockwise. It is then you build up a picture and understand the answer to your question.

Fail. Do try harder. You're really quite sad.

I don't think there is any more I can do. It is clear that you have lied from the outset, criticising a diagram you do not understand. The answer is right in front of you.

Quote from: ClockTower on November 08, 2010, 04:36:28 PM

Quote from: Thork on November 08, 2010, 04:34:15 PM

Ok, fine. Well you see where number 5 is on the diagram. That is the key to the explanation. You said you understand so you must know what the number 5 is telling you. Imagine where the number 5 will move to after when all the numbers are redistributed as the sun moves 90 degrees clockwise. It is then you build up a picture and understand the answer to your question.

Fail. Do try harder. You're really quite sad.

I don't think there is any more I can do. It is clear that you have lied from the outset, criticising a diagram you do not understand. The answer is right in front of you.

Fail. Do try harder. You're really quite sad.

Quote from: Thork on November 08, 2010, 04:40:37 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on November 08, 2010, 04:36:28 PM

Fail. Do try harder. You're really quite sad.

I don't think there is any more I can do. It is clear that you have lied from the outset, criticising a diagram you do not understand. The answer is right in front of you.

Fail. Do try harder. You're really quite sad.

Please don't make low-content posts in Flat Earth General. We all know you're not an illiterate noob, so you are expected to do better.

Quote from: ClockTower on November 08, 2010, 04:17:23 PM

Quote from: Thork on November 08, 2010, 04:14:23 PM

Of course. The numbers explain that.

Prove it.

I thought you said you understood what the numbers meant. Why would further proof be necessary? Which bit don't you understand? The numbers explain it all.

Okay the numbers seem to be doing nothing for me - but most Rowboats diagrams have that effect on me.  I am putting it down to him doing the work a few generations before me.  Clocktower is working under the assumption that Antarctica is the edge of the world (and I believe this is Tom Bishops perspective, though I know it is not universal in FET).

How does the the Solar Conical Frustrum illuminate Antarctica for 24hrs when it Antarctica surrounds the Flat Earth?
And you know in typing this out I was Ninja'd 5 times.

Berny
Thinks there should be a post timer.

At local noon, the point under the number 5 is either somewhere off in the nothingness of space, or the vast wasteland beyond the borders of the world. The entire Antarctic coast cannot possibly be illuminated in this model.

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

What observation?  Lengthening of days on the Southern Hemisphere during Southern "summers"?

Yes. I have.

Berny
Thinks some people should Travel more

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 08, 2010, 04:54:05 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

What observation?  Lengthening of days on the Southern Hemisphere during Southern "summers"?

Yes. I have.

Berny
Thinks some people should Travel more

Longer southern days in the southern summers would also happen in the Flat Earth model. That was not the effect I was asking about in my post.

http://www.rif.com

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

Levee posted link to the youtube video about it
Neverending sun -
1 week of never ending Sun near the poles

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 08, 2010, 04:54:05 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

Levee posted youtube video about it
Neverending sun -
1 week of never ending Sun near the poles

Which pole?

Last I heard there was negligible or no vegetation in the Antarctic circle.

Quote from: zork on November 08, 2010, 11:08:42 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 08, 2010, 04:54:05 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

Levee posted youtube video about it
Neverending sun -
1 week of never ending Sun near the poles

Which pole?

Last I heard there was negligible or no vegetation in the Antarctic circle.

 If you want one for the Antarctica then here it is


Time lapse images from a research site at the eastern end of Taylor Valley, Antarctica. Images are captured once per hour.

Quote from: berny_74 on November 08, 2010, 05:01:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 08, 2010, 04:54:05 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on November 08, 2010, 04:37:35 PM

In that diagram, the sun can never illuminate more than half the rim at any one time. This directly conflicts with the observation that the entire coast of Antarctica is illuminated at certain times of the year for the entire day.

Have you made this observation? I haven't.

What observation?  Lengthening of days on the Southern Hemisphere during Southern "summers"?

Yes. I have.

Berny
Thinks some people should Travel more

Longer southern days in the southern summers would also happen in the Flat Earth model. That was not the effect I was asking about in my post.

http://www.rif.com

Well your post is about whether or not GD made that observation about lengthening of days along the southern latitudes.  I stated yes I have.  Been there done that.

The SoutherHemiplace is HUGE.  Take Punta Arenas, Chile.  This time of year it has just under 16 hours of daylight.  Now look at the flat earth map.....



There is no way that a place of southern latitudes like Punta Arenas could get that length of daylight with the path the sun is taking according to that picture.  Unless the spotlight size changes constantly.

Berny
Thinks some people should travel a lot more.

Some people might be confused with the term's use in regard to overestimating how much others notice appearance/behavior. Do you think we should just leave it as the spotlight effect in FET or search for a new name?

Magic Glow Ball Effect

If you want one for the Antarctica then here it is


Time lapse images from a research site at the eastern end of Taylor Valley, Antarctica. Images are captured once per hour.

Would that be a government research site?

Quote from: zork on November 08, 2010, 11:27:08 PM

If you want one for the Antarctica then here it is


Time lapse images from a research site at the eastern end of Taylor Valley, Antarctica. Images are captured once per hour.

Would that be a government research site?

irrelevant.

Why does the light in this diagram drawn act more like the light from a flood light than a spot light?


Even Rowbotham knew way back then. Smart guy.

Why does the light in this diagram drawn act more like the light from a flood light than a spot light?


Even Rowbotham knew way back then. Smart guy.

You ask why a diagram in his book matches his theory, really? You might want instead to ask if the diagram matches reality, especially since it does not.

Quote from: zork on November 08, 2010, 11:27:08 PM

If you want one for the Antarctica then here it is


Time lapse images from a research site at the eastern end of Taylor Valley, Antarctica. Images are captured once per hour.

Would that be a government research site?

Pictures were taken in the Taylor Valley which is a place in the Antarctica. Do you deny that?

The Solar Conical Frustrum.

"Conical Frustrum" is redundant, since all frustra are conical.

I propose Helio-optic Geofrustrum.

Why don't we just call it "Impossible" and be done with it?

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on November 08, 2010, 01:35:46 PM

The Solar Conical Frustrum.

"Conical Frustrum" is redundant, since all frustra are conical.

I propose Helio-optic Geofrustrum.

I'm afraid I must disagree James; a conical frustum is a specific kind of frustum. Frusta may be four-sided for example.


However, I prefer 'Helio-optic' to 'Solar', so perhaps the amalgamated term Helio-optic Conical Frustum would be the most accurate.

Helio-optic Conical Geofrustrum? We ought to be specific about the direction of the frustrum.

Sounds good to me!

Sounds good to me!

I feel like a traitor here by helping you two with your error. You should reviews your maps and the observed 'day' and 'night' at various latitudes with the varying season. The Sun is not a conical section for at least half of the days each year on either map (UN Logo style, or the Wilmore "two-pole" style). You might want to gather more evidence before you misname a key feature of your theories.

This is not 'my theory', nor do I support it. However, I am more than willing to lend a hand in renaming it, regardless of its theoretical accuracy. Moreover, I am unaware of any period during which the Sun's light does not form a conical section in that model. Could you enlighten me?

This is not 'my theory', nor do I support it. However, I am more than willing to lend a hand in renaming it, regardless of its theoretical accuracy. Moreover, I am unaware of any period during which the Sun's light does not form a conical section in that model. Could you enlighten me?

For example, on the equinox the terminator must follow a meridian and its opposite (such as 5E and 175 W) throughout the day, forming a half conical section.

Pardon me, I'm not quite getting you - it's late in the evening. Are you suggesting that it needs to do that, or that the theory says it does that?

Pardon me, I'm not quite getting you - it's late in the evening. Are you suggesting that it needs to do that, or that the theory says it does that?

I know that it needs to do that to match observations. I believe that based on the FAQ and its diagrams (UN Logo map, orbiting Sun) that the theory requires it too.

But based on the FAQ I can't see any point or scenario where the Sun's light would not form some kind of conical frustum.

But based on the FAQ I can't see any point or scenario where the Sun's light would not form some kind of conical frustum.

I'll take this slowly... trying to help. Forgive any inferred insult.

1) FAQ says the Sun moves along a circle over the Equator on the equinox.
2) On the Equinox, though Tom Bishop argues against this, the day last exactly 12 hours. (Well, the poles don't, but forget this expection for now.)
3) To make this work, the Sun must illuminate 1/4 around the Earth from pole to pole in both directions and no farther.
4) At any given time, half the Earth is illuminated only.