Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war

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Trekky0623

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2010, 03:00:52 PM »
Also, god exists at the centre of the Star Trek galaxy, he tried to steal Kirk's ship.  I don't think he'd let his galaxy get messed up by some intruders.

God, that movie sucked.

Coincidentally, Shatner directed it.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2010, 03:10:26 PM »
Can I just add that Star Trek ships are also prettier than Wars ships?

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2010, 03:12:49 PM »
Would you allow all future Federation ships and technology possible beyond the year 2900, seeing as they've invented time-travel?
Also, would you allow the time-travelling Federation ships to travel to a point in time before the Star Wars universe even had sentient life and fight them then?

If you allow Star Wars to have the Celestials, then the Federation gets those too.

Why should we allow those? Star Trek has time travel, Star Wars does not.

WTF is this logic of yours?  "Why should we allow those" - so you're saying that Star Trek gets its trump cards, but Star Wars does not, because you said so and cannot make a single argument supporting your side.

All of Trek's trumpcards exist within it's possible time frame. Trek has time travel which means it can use future technology. Wars does not so you can only use technology from one period of time.
So which is it? Celestials, or Galactic Alliance?

We don't even need to disprove 200 gigaton cannons. We can just have our red matter, and create a blackhole, destroying the stars galaxy before the celestials or galactic alliance ever existed.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2010, 03:21:41 PM »
I would love to see Q appear in front of Darth Vader, wearing the Vader suit and helmet, but without the mask part.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2010, 03:23:11 PM »
I would love to see a small, one manned fighter penetrate the outer defenses of the Q Continuum.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2010, 03:24:03 PM »
He is scrambling now. He knows that Star Wars would lose due to time travel, and that is why he isn't addressing anyone that is bringing it up.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2010, 03:28:51 PM »
He is scrambling now. He knows that Star Wars would lose due to time travel, and that is why he isn't addressing anyone that is bringing it up.

The Federation and the Galactic Alliance would have no reason to go to war.
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Trekky0623

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2010, 03:29:35 PM »
Why is everyone on Star Trek's side? Are we all a bunch of closeted trekkies?

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2010, 03:33:05 PM »
Seem like a bunch of open trekkies to me. I know I am.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2010, 03:33:58 PM »
Why is everyone on Star Trek's side? Are we all a bunch of closeted trekkies?

Star Trek has more going for it than a western/kung fu movie in space.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2010, 03:36:30 PM »
Why is everyone on Star Trek's side? Are we all a bunch of closeted trekkies?

I think it is because this is the FES. So immediately when a person named Roundearthguy came in, posted a wall of text and said, therefore I am right, so HA! everyone jumped all over that.

Then I saw just how ridiculous the Star Wars arguments are and well, you just can't take that sort of side.

Who would want RoundEarthGuy as a debate partner anyways?

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2010, 04:50:42 PM »


We don't even need to disprove 200 gigaton cannons. We can just have our red matter, and create a blackhole, destroying the stars galaxy before the celestials or galactic alliance ever existed.


Too bad for you that Star Wars also has weapons that can create black holes from across the galaxy.

Centerpoint station vs red matter.  Advantages of Centerpoint station:

1. It can be fired from across the galaxy, as thus is practically uncounterable, whereas the ship carrying red matter can be stopped.
2. It is more durable, being able to withstand teratons or even petatons or more of damage, whereas the ship carrying red matter can be one shotted by 200 gigaton+ turbolasers (which you have failed to even try and refute to my proofs, so it stands)
3. It can also tug planets and stars.  Tug Earth into a black hole, and bye bye Earth
4. It can fire multiple times, and thus can wipe out the entire Federation.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2010, 05:00:59 PM »


We don't even need to disprove 200 gigaton cannons. We can just have our red matter, and create a blackhole, destroying the stars galaxy before the celestials or galactic alliance ever existed.


Too bad for you that Star Wars also has weapons that can create black holes from across the galaxy.

Centerpoint station vs red matter.  Advantages of Centerpoint station:

1. It can be fired from across the galaxy, as thus is practically uncounterable, whereas the ship carrying red matter can be stopped.
2. It is more durable, being able to withstand teratons or even petatons or more of damage, whereas the ship carrying red matter can be one shotted by 200 gigaton+ turbolasers (which you have failed to even try and refute to my proofs, so it stands)
3. It can also tug planets and stars.  Tug Earth into a black hole, and bye bye Earth
4. It can fire multiple times, and thus can wipe out the entire Federation.

Okay I watched the 6 star wars movies again (there was a marathon again) and never heard of Centerpoint station?  It's been a while since I watched the Clone Wars movie but cannot remember anything about it there.

And - 1 phasor can disintegrate, something no hand held blaster can do.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2010, 05:13:26 PM »


Okay I watched the 6 star wars movies again (there was a marathon again) and never heard of Centerpoint station?  It's been a while since I watched the Clone Wars movie but cannot remember anything about it there.


It's EU.  It can destroy planets and stars from across the galaxy (or even move them), thus allowing Star Wars to effectively destroy the Federation in a matter of hours if it wanted to.

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And - 1 phasor can disintegrate, something no hand held blaster can do.


1. This is not that relevant, since Star Wars fleets can maintain total space supremacy over Star Trek.  This might matter if Star Trek attacks a Star Wars planet, but their warp drives aren't fast enough to do that.
2. There's more to handheld weapon effectiveness than firepower per shot; hence why the military is using lighter rounds in modern times.  Hand phasers typically have no trigger guards and no iron sights.  Star Wars also has advanced armor and other support combined arms fire, while Star Trek has no concept of this.  The Federation's ground "armies" run around in pajamas with poorly designed phasers and no armored support or combined arms fire.
3. If phasers are that powerful; which they are, why do natural obstacles still function as cover?  Either phasers can't consistently fire on that setting, or the Federation troops are really incompetent.

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Berny
Also wonders why Star Wars cannons are so inaccurate.

 

A misconception.  Star Wars turbolasers were so accurate and powerful that in LOTF: Invincible, Han Solo mused that unescorted runs against star destroyers were suicide.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2010, 05:15:36 PM »
LA LA LA LA LALAAA Red Matter doesn't exist LALAAALAA LA It never happened LALA LAAA Sorry, I can't hear any of you over the sound of how anything in J.J.'s Star Trek never happened. LAH LAH LAAAAH

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2010, 05:29:07 PM »
@EnglshGentleman:

I have one request for you.  You claimed that my "wall of text" was invalid and asked for proof for the 200 gigaton claim.  I gave you a big post proving it, and yet you ignored it.  So if you think that my argument is ridiculous, back up your words and refute my post.

Otherwise, your claim to my argument being baseless is into itself a baseless statement because you haven't proven my argument wrong yet, despite you being the one to have requested it AND having agreed to respond to it.

Now back up your claims instead of dancing around them and making no effort to support your theory.

That is why the FE theory is laughed at by scientists; most of you guys have no concept of actually backing up your bullshit claims, just like how you have no way of backing up your claims in this thread or refuting my argument.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2010, 05:36:13 PM »
Too bad for you that Star Wars....

Keep crying. Star Trek has time travel so they can just destroy the Star Wars Galaxy eons before even the Celestials existed.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #77 on: November 09, 2010, 06:57:23 PM »
Too bad for you that Star Wars....

Keep crying. Star Trek has time travel so they can just destroy the Star Wars Galaxy eons before even the Celestials existed.

I already refuted this.  Funny how you jump from desperate argument to desperate argument while completely ignoring my rebuttals.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43465.msg1087785#msg1087785

List of your desperate arguments:

200 gigatons isn't canon - refuted, you didn't counter it (despite promising that you would)
Red matter - refuted, you didn't counter it
Time travel - refuted, you didn't counter it
Electronics - refuted, you dropped the debate

Again:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43465.msg1087785#msg1087785
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Trekky0623

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2010, 10:02:18 PM »
Phasers do have sights.



Like I said before, you wouldn't expect the Navy to fight a war with pistols, why should you expect Federation marines to use hand phasers? They do have rifles.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2010, 12:56:29 PM »
1. This is not that relevant, since Star Wars fleets can maintain total space supremacy over Star Trek.  This might matter if Star Trek attacks a Star Wars planet, but their warp drives aren't fast enough to do that.
2. There's more to handheld weapon effectiveness than firepower per shot; hence why the military is using lighter rounds in modern times.  Hand phasers typically have no trigger guards and no iron sights.  Star Wars also has advanced armor and other support combined arms fire, while Star Trek has no concept of this.  The Federation's ground "armies" run around in pajamas with poorly designed phasers and no armored support or combined arms fire.
3. If phasers are that powerful; which they are, why do natural obstacles still function as cover?  Either phasers can't consistently fire on that setting, or the Federation troops are really incompetent.
The reason modern armies use lighter ammo is that it costs less to make and it tumbles around inside you, thus making it stronger against soft targets. And Storm Trooper armour is completeely ineffective, if I remember the films correctly.

Also, why is disallowing Q any different to disallowing the Empire?
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2010, 01:21:16 PM »
Star Trek does have grenades.

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