Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war

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EnglshGentleman

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(excluding all forms of SW canon that is not the films)

A) Star Destroyers have shitty guns.
B) Star Trek weapons would vaporize Star Wars ships in moments.
C) Q

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berny_74

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 07:14:45 PM »
(excluding all forms of SW canon that is not the films)

A) Star Destroyers have shitty guns.
B) Star Trek weapons would vaporize Star Wars ships in moments.
C) Q

Why don't you compare things side by side.  Blasters vs Phasers.  etc.

For Star Trek Cannon, are you doing all movies, and TV series as well?  It would seem then that Trekkies would have a lot more cannon stuff to chew over.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 09:02:50 PM »
Star Wars ships are bigger and can support stronger weaponry.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 09:25:58 PM »
Here's how shit would go down.

Adm: "Lord Vader, we are entering the Sol System. Weapons will be in range in two minutes."
Vader: "Excellent, Admiral. Prepare the fleet for battle."
Adm: "Yes, my Lo..."

Q: *Snap*

ANOTHER WIN FOR STAR TREK!

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 09:35:37 PM »
Here's how shit would go down.

Adm: "Lord Vader, we are entering the Sol System. Weapons will be in range in two minutes."
Vader: "Excellent, Admiral. Prepare the fleet for battle."
Adm: "Yes, my Lo..."

Q: *Snap*

ANOTHER WIN FOR STAR TREK!

Copyrighted. I'll see you in court.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 09:40:00 PM »
Here's how shit would go down.

Adm: "Lord Vader, we are entering the Sol System. Weapons will be in range in two minutes."
Vader: "Excellent, Admiral. Prepare the fleet for battle."
Adm: "Yes, my Lo..."

Q: *Snap*

ANOTHER WIN FOR STAR TREK!

Copyrighted. I'll see you in court.

Public Domain just like your drawing that the sweeds used.



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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 01:17:32 AM »
Star Wars ships are bigger and can support stronger weaponry.

Yes, they are. On the other hand, Trek ships have beam ability. Beaming a photon torpedo into the engine room of any ship with any armament would still blow it the fuck up. Also, Wars weapons are projectile based, where Trek weapons travel at the speed of light. With enough speed and manoeuvrability, a single Trek starship could crush a star destroyer fleet.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 02:41:33 PM »
(excluding all forms of SW canon that is not the films)

So you're admitting that, with full SW canon, Star Wars wins.

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A) Star Destroyers have shitty guns.


Wrong.  In addition to the fact that you have hypocritically provided NO proof, not even a quote, supporting this, a turbolaser was able to vaporize a 10 meter asteroid with ease. This would require at least 15 kilotons to do.  Nice try though, but you clearly didn't do your research.

Star Wars turbolasers would, based only on the movies, have a yield of about 60 megatons.  The Enterprise's performance when near the corona of a star puts their shield dissipation capability at around 30 megatons.

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B) Star Trek weapons would vaporize Star Wars ships in moments.


Obviously you have proof of this, right (notice your disturbing amount of hypocrisy?)?  Especially since even based on the movies Star Wars shields for star destroyers are at least 400 gigatons, while Star Trek photon torpedos are in the kilotons or maybe megatons?

Not to mention that Star Wars consists of over 12 million worlds while the Federation only has about 1000?

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C) Q

And this is scientific...how exactly?
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 02:45:57 PM »
Go back to your serious thread. Don't bring that shit in here.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 02:49:45 PM »
(excluding all forms of SW canon that is not the films)

So you're admitting that, with full SW canon, Star Wars wins.

Do quote me where I said this. Putting words in other people's mouths is a sign of intellectual weakness.

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A) Star Destroyers have shitty guns.


Wrong.  In addition to the fact that you have hypocritically provided NO proof, not even a quote, supporting this, a turbolaser was able to vaporize a 10 meter asteroid with ease. This would require at least 15 kilotons to do.  Nice try though, but you clearly didn't do your research.

Star Wars turbolasers would, based only on the movies, have a yield of about 60 megatons.  The Enterprise's performance when near the corona of a star puts their shield dissipation capability at around 30 megatons.

You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.

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B) Star Trek weapons would vaporize Star Wars ships in moments.


Obviously you have proof of this, right (notice your disturbing amount of hypocrisy?)?  Especially since even based on the movies Star Wars shields for star destroyers are at least 400 gigatons, while Star Trek photon torpedos are in the kilotons or maybe megatons?

Not to mention that Star Wars consists of over 12 million worlds while the Federation only has about 1000?

You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.

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C) Q

And this is scientific...how exactly?

It is Star Trek vs Star Wars, that means Q is fighting against Star Wars. Q snaps his fingers and all the people in Star Wars shoot themselves.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 02:56:23 PM »


Do quote me where I said this. Putting words in other people's mouths is a sign of intellectual weakness.


Why else would you not allow for EU sources?

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You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.


You requested to me several times to justify my calculations.  Finally, I complied and posted a pretty long post justifying my calculations...and you IGNORED it.

Now go respond to it or concede.

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You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.


Actually, I have.  You just ignored it, despite being the one to request it.

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It is Star Trek vs Star Wars, that means Q is fighting against Star Wars. Q snaps his fingers and all the people in Star Wars shoot themselves.

Scientific proof?

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 03:01:58 PM »
Damn it you guys. You have contaminated the parody thread.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2010, 03:02:38 PM »
Do quote me where I said this. Putting words in other people's mouths is a sign of intellectual weakness.

Why else would you not allow for EU sources?

So you admit to putting words in my mouth?

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You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.


You requested to me several times to justify my calculations.  Finally, I complied and posted a pretty long post justifying my calculations...and you IGNORED it.

Now go respond to it or concede.

No you didn't. Lying is a clear sign of desperation.

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You have shown no calculations. Justify this statement.


Actually, I have.  You just ignored it, despite being the one to request it.

No you didn't. Lying is a clear sign of desperation.

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It is Star Trek vs Star Wars, that means Q is fighting against Star Wars. Q snaps his fingers and all the people in Star Wars shoot themselves.

Scientific proof?

By the standards held in your thread, yes.


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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2010, 03:12:02 PM »

So you admit to putting words in my mouth?


Nice dodging tactic.

Avoiding the question once again? Shame.


By the standards held in your thread, yes.

Oh really?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43465.msg1085754#msg1085754

Do tell how this is anymore scientific proof that the assertion that Q could make people kill themselves.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2010, 03:13:37 PM »

So you admit to putting words in my mouth?


Nice dodging tactic.

Avoiding the question once again? Shame.

Let me get this straight...you ignore 90% of my argument and instead post an accusation to me ignoring your argument?

I'll let you figure out the irony and hypocrisy in that.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2010, 03:24:18 PM »

So you admit to putting words in my mouth?


Nice dodging tactic.

Avoiding the question once again? Shame.

Let me get this straight...you ignore 90% of my argument and instead post an accusation to me ignoring your argument?

I'll let you figure out the irony and hypocrisy in that.

You have yet to answer my question. There is no reason to answer yours when you fail to answer mine.

Here you are, still dodging the question. For shame!

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2010, 03:25:35 PM »

So you admit to putting words in my mouth?


Nice dodging tactic.

Avoiding the question once again? Shame.

Let me get this straight...you ignore 90% of my argument and instead post an accusation to me ignoring your argument?

I'll let you figure out the irony and hypocrisy in that.

You have yet to answer my question.

And yet you have failed to answer my question too.

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There is no reason to answer yours when you fail to answer mine.  

Except that I asked mine first.

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Here you are, still dodging the question. For shame!

I didn't put words into your mouth.  I deduced it from your actions, sort of like how you've done this many times too.

Now that I've answered your question answer WHILE answering my question (you can do both in a single post, you know):

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43465.msg1085754#msg1085754
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 03:28:38 PM »
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Here you are, still dodging the question. For shame!
I didn't put words into your mouth.  I deduced it from your actions.

Incorrect. You did not ask what I said. You asserted what I said. Therefore you put words in my mouth.

Typical SW Fan.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2010, 03:29:02 PM »
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Here you are, still dodging the question. For shame!
I didn't put words into your mouth.  I deduced it from your actions.

Incorrect. You did not ask what I said. You asserted what I said. Therefore you put words in my mouth.

Typical SW Fan.

Why don't you respond to the rest of my post?  Why do you feel that I have to answer your questions but you don't have to answer mine?

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2010, 03:34:10 PM »
Why do you feel that I have to answer your questions

Proper etiquette I suppose. Something you apparently have none of.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2010, 03:36:42 PM »
Why do you feel that I have to answer your questions

Proper etiquette I suppose. Something you apparently have none of.

And yet you don't respond to my questions, showing that you expect others to have "proper etiquette" but that you don't.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2010, 03:38:11 PM »
Why do you feel that I have to answer your questions

Proper etiquette I suppose. Something you apparently have none of.

And yet you don't respond to my questions, showing that you expect others to have "proper etiquette" but that you don't.

I always respond to your posts.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2010, 03:39:56 PM »
Why do you feel that I have to answer your questions

Proper etiquette I suppose. Something you apparently have none of.

And yet you don't respond to my questions, showing that you expect others to have "proper etiquette" but that you don't.

I always respond to your posts.

Really?  Show me your post where you responded to this:


http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43465.msg1085754#msg1085754

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2010, 03:41:24 PM »
That post wasn't directed towards me. Must I go through every post you make and respond to it?  ???

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2010, 03:49:56 PM »
That post wasn't directed towards me. Must I go through every post you make and respond to it?  ???

Read the post right above it.  You asked me for scientific proof and not "schematic proof".  I gave you proof in the very next post.  You didn't respond to it.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2010, 07:08:34 AM »
RoundEarthGuy: You keep limiting Star Trek to just having the Federation. Why?

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2010, 07:24:26 AM »
RoundEarthGuy: You keep limiting Star Trek to just having the Federation. Why?

He's scared of the Dominion.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2010, 07:58:59 AM »
He's also scared shitless of Q.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Trek would crush Star Wars in any war
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2010, 08:13:10 AM »
It's Lady Q I'd be more afraid of. Imagine omnipotent period rage. *shudders*