Armistice Day

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Chris Spaghetti

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Armistice Day
« on: November 11, 2010, 07:04:21 AM »
They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


This Armistice Day, let us remember not just those who have died for our own countries but all those who have died in warfare and strive for peace.


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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 07:21:43 AM »
They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


This Armistice Day, let us remember not just those who have died for our own countries but all those who have died in warfare and strive for peace.


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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 08:05:08 AM »
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.


Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!---An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime...
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.


In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.


If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,---
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori
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- Wilfred Owen, 'Dulce et Decorum Est'
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 08:27:54 AM »
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
      Between the crosses, row on row,
   That mark our place; and in the sky
   The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
   Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
         In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
   The torch; be yours to hold it high.
   If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
         In Flanders fields.


—Colonel John McCrae

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Hazbollah

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 08:54:11 AM »
I made our school have a minute's silence. We shall remember them.
They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


This Armistice Day, let us remember not just those who have died for our own countries but all those who have died in warfare and strive for peace.


Always check your tackle- Caerphilly school of Health. If I see an innuendo in my post, I'll be sure to whip it out.

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Lorddave

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 06:12:31 PM »
I bow my head in reverence. 

War is ugly for all sides.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

I am a terrible person and I am a typical Blowhard Liberal for being wrong about Bom.

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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 06:46:58 PM »
Why do we call it "Veterans Day" in America?  I don't get it.

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Lorddave

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 06:49:40 PM »
Why do we call it "Veterans Day" in America?  I don't get it.
Not sure either but my guess is that we celebrate those who have fought for our country, not anyone else's country. 

Either that or Armistice is too big of a word for the average American to know.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

I am a terrible person and I am a typical Blowhard Liberal for being wrong about Bom.

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Ski

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 07:17:09 PM »
It used to be called Armistice Day in America too. It celebrates the armistice of the Great War.  It was later changed to Veteran's Day to be more inclusive after WWII.
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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 07:30:19 PM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.
How dare you have the audacity to demand my deposition. I've never even heard of you.

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 05:58:22 AM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.

Not universally, I've seen veterans wear the white poppy.

I like the message of peace it conveys.

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 07:29:58 AM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.

Not universally, I've seen veterans wear the white poppy.

I like the message of peace it conveys.

Yes, but we have to remember that it wasn't diplomacy that stopped Hitler. That was tried, and it failed badly.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 08:22:29 AM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.

Not universally, I've seen veterans wear the white poppy.

I like the message of peace it conveys.


Remember the glorius dead and wear a red poppy, if for no other reason than you're supporting a very worthy charity.

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 09:27:07 AM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.

Not universally, I've seen veterans wear the white poppy.

I like the message of peace it conveys.


Remember the glorius dead and wear a red poppy, if for no other reason than you're supporting a very worthy charity.

I donate to the red poppy appeal, I just don't wear one for two erasons:

-I don't believe in telling everyone you've made a charity donation (apart, obviously when people tell me I should donate to a cause)

-Terry Prathett, as always, highlights another reason:

"Vetinari: "'You know, it has often crossed my mind that those men deserve a proper memorial of some sort."

Vimes: "Oh yes? In one of the main squares, perhaps?"

Vetinari: "Yes, that would be a good idea."

Vimes: "Perhaps a tableau in bronze? All seven of them raising the flag, perhaps?"

Vetinari: "Bronze, yes."

Vimes: "Really? And some sort of inspiring slogan?"

Vetinari: "Yes, indeed. Something like, perhaps, 'They Did The Job They Had To Do'?"

Vimes: "No. How dare you? How dare you! At this time! In this place! They did the job they didn't have to do, and they died doing it, and you can't give them anything. Do you understand? They fought for those who'd been abandoned, they fought for one another, and they were betrayed. Men like them always are. What good would a statue be? It'd just inspire new fools to believe they're going to be heroes. They wouldn't want that. Just let them be. For ever."

The fact that we need to have men and women like those who died for us is a terrible tragedy and we need reminding that it is a terrible tragedy.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 09:50:24 AM »
Generally speaking, the white poppy is considered to be offensive to veterans.

Not universally, I've seen veterans wear the white poppy.

I like the message of peace it conveys.


Remember the glorius dead and wear a red poppy, if for no other reason than you're supporting a very worthy charity.

The fact that we need to have men and women like those who died for us is a terrible tragedy and we need reminding that it is a terrible tragedy.

The red poppy is a reminder of that, as is the Cenotaph.

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 02:49:16 AM »
True, but I worry that too many people think it's a mark of glory and heroism. Perhaps unjustly.

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2010, 10:32:23 AM »
I pretty much agree with Chris, hence my choice of poem.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2010, 11:26:55 AM »
I donate but don't wear a poppy purely because I don't need to show others how I feel about the issue.

Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 09:33:26 AM »
I donate but don't wear a poppy purely because I don't need to show others how I feel about the issue.

you'd prefer people thought you were ignorant to the fact that millions of people died in various wars OR that you simply don't care?

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2010, 10:25:08 AM »
Maybe he just isn't that bothered if other people choose to make unfounded, unfair and/or unjustifiable assumptions.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2010, 12:51:17 PM »
Maybe he just isn't that bothered if other people choose to make unfounded, unfair and/or unjustifiable assumptions.

you miss the point

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Eddy Baby

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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2010, 12:56:57 PM »
I don't think he does.

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2010, 02:16:07 PM »
I don't think he does.

The point is that it's not about you

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Eddy Baby

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 02:23:12 PM »
I know; I donate money.

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Lord Wilmore

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2010, 02:30:08 PM »
I don't think he does.

The point is that it's not about you


But it is about morons who make stupid assumptions about other people without basis or justification?
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Armistice Day
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 03:40:05 AM »
I donate but don't wear a poppy purely because I don't need to show others how I feel about the issue.

you'd prefer people thought you were ignorant to the fact that millions of people died in various wars OR that you simply don't care?

...Because that's a logical extension of thought...