# Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round

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#### ClockTower

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##### Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« on: November 01, 2010, 12:36:20 AM »
Two topics (both rather current) taken together prove that the Earth is round.

The first topic started by JamesJamie is: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation.

The second topic that I started is: All FE models that have the FE spinning are wrong.

So the Earth spins and no FE model can have the Earth spinning. FET is false.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

#### Ski

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 12:38:33 AM »
Two topics (both rather current) taken together prove that the Earth is round.

The first topic started by JamesJamie is: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation.

The second topic that I started is: All FE models that have the FE spinning are wrong.

So the Earth spins and no FE model can have the Earth spinning. FET is false.

Then your work here is done?
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

#### EnglshGentleman

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 12:55:26 AM »

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#### Danukenator123

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 06:22:12 AM »
Then your work here is done?

Not until the stupidity and ignorance is dealt with.

#### Ski

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 06:42:05 AM »
Can't he work on his stupidity and ignorance on his own?
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

#### Lord Wilmore

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 06:45:55 AM »
I don't see how the first thread constitutes conclusive evidence of anything. The potential effects of Aetheric Eddification combined with innaccurate cartographic and geographic assumptions based on a RE would easily account for the scenarios he presented. You'll have to do better.
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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 06:52:13 AM »
Too bad the stupidity is quite relative. But I still like the Heinlein's quote:

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

#### Ski

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 06:55:10 AM »
I may one day ban him, but I doubt an execution is in order.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

#### Raist

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 07:15:53 AM »
I may give him a full 100 day ban, and then I will kill him.

fixed. do it ski.

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#### General Disarray

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 08:30:58 AM »
Aetheric Eddification

Please define this theory in detail so we may discuss it properly.
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#### markjo

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 08:49:08 AM »
The potential effects of Aetheric Eddification combined with innaccurate cartographic and geographic assumptions based on a RE would easily account for the scenarios he presented. You'll have to do better.

Please do not reference undocumented theories (Aetherific Edification).  Once John publishes his findings on this subject, then we can discuss what potential effects it might or might not account for.  The same should go for Steve's Electromagnetic Acceleration theory.
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#### General Disarray

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 10:11:52 AM »
The potential effects of Aetheric Eddification combined with innaccurate cartographic and geographic assumptions based on a RE would easily account for the scenarios he presented. You'll have to do better.

Please do not reference undocumented theories (Aetherific Edification).  Once John publishes his findings on this subject, then we can discuss what potential effects it might or might not account for.  The same should go for Steve's Electromagnetic Acceleration theory.

Exactly, he may as well have just said "The earth may still be flat due to magic."
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#### Lord Wilmore

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 11:17:37 AM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon, but we can't assume it's AET? I do love how oblivious RE'ers are to their own double-standards.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 11:51:46 AM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon, but we can't assume it's AET? I do love how oblivious RE'ers are to their own double-standards.
You make it sound like the Coriolis effect is some magic like AET. I challenge you to find from some library with literature about the AET. I go and find some with literature about the Coriolis effect.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

#### Lord Wilmore

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 11:55:46 AM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon, but we can't assume it's AET? I do love how oblivious RE'ers are to their own double-standards.
You make it sound like the Coriolis effect is some magic like AET. I challenge you to find from some library with literature about the AET. I go and find some with literature about the Coriolis effect.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm not getting sucked into a debate about whether or not that proves anything (it doesn't), because this is FED. Suffice to say if you think finding books about something in a library validate it, you are digging yourself a hole. I advise you to put down the spade and climb out now, while you still can.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

#### markjo

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 12:53:09 PM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon, but we can't assume it's AET? I do love how oblivious RE'ers are to their own double-standards.

No double standard here, Wilmore.  Properties of the Coriolis Effect are well documented.  Aether and bendy light are not.  Unless you can cite a source that defines those properties, there is no way to either substantiate or refute any claims based on those theories.  I call that bad science. As a Zetetic, you should appreciate that.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2010, 12:58:19 PM by markjo »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 01:30:35 PM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon, but we can't assume it's AET? I do love how oblivious RE'ers are to their own double-standards.
You make it sound like the Coriolis effect is some magic like AET. I challenge you to find from some library with literature about the AET. I go and find some with literature about the Coriolis effect.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm not getting sucked into a debate about whether or not that proves anything (it doesn't), because this is FED. Suffice to say if you think finding books about something in a library validate it, you are digging yourself a hole. I advise you to put down the spade and climb out now, while you still can.
It has everything to do with it. Can you dig up from somewhere what is this AET? No. Can anyone dig up from somewhere what is Coriolis force and how it manifests itself? Yes. So, how is it that the Coriolis force and the AET are on the same level when there is absolutely nothing about the AET and Coriolis force is quite well explained.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2010, 03:04:51 PM by zork »
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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#### Crustinator

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 03:03:00 PM »
So the OP can just assume that the coriolis effect is the cause of this phenomenon

No we can assume the coriolis effect is the cause because there is evidence to show it is the cause.

*yawn* Tom Bishop tactics never work Wilmore. You should know this by now.

#### Lord Wilmore

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2010, 03:09:51 PM »
I don't see any evidence that the Coriolis force exists in the thread ClockTower posted. I guess that's his argument done and dusted.

No double standard here, Wilmore.  Properties of the Coriolis Effect are well documented.  Aether and bendy light are not.  Unless you can cite a source that defines those properties, there is no way to either substantiate or refute any claims based on those theories.  I call that bad science. As a Zetetic, you should appreciate that.

I would argue that the essential properties of the Coriolis effect are no better documented than those of Aetheric Eddification. I genuinely doubt anyone here can demonstrate otherwise.

Oh, and just in case anyone's tempted, posting tonnes of quotes/links telling me about the Coriolis effect will not amount to such a demonstration. Make sure you read the above sentences carefully.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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#### Thork

##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2010, 03:44:59 PM »
I hate Coriolis threads. They suck. Coriolis itself has too many flaws.
Why do the Aleutian and Icelandic gyres rotate the opposite way to all the others on the Northern hemisphere? Explain why the currents in the Sargasso sea also contradict Coriolis. How come some tornadoes just decide sod Coriolis, I'm going clockwise in the northern Hemisphere. Why do some storms do that to?

There are just too many ifs and buts to Coriolis. RErs always bring it up, but when it comes to a test, like which way does my sink drain, it falls flat on its backside.
It doesn't predict sinks, some ocean currents ignore it, some storms turn the opposite way as well. It doesn't prove anything. Its unpredictable and unreliable, suggesting there are some serious flaws in the concept, its not like earth is supposed to spin only some of the time, the results should be definative. But RErs always say, oh but look at Coriolis, FE must be wrong. Well, when you do look at it, its not all that. A bit more Zetetic research is needed. What can you see. Not Coriolis that's for sure. Someone come up with a home made test to prove it. I light a cigarette. Does the smoke always turn anti-clockwise? Nope. I flush my toilet. Lets me down again. If you do a parachute jump, do you spin with Coriolis, - plug hole effect? Nope. Not even a bit. Its lousy.

#### markjo

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2010, 04:27:02 PM »
I would argue that the essential properties of the Coriolis effect are no better documented than those of Aetheric Eddification. I genuinely doubt anyone here can demonstrate otherwise.

Oh, and just in case anyone's tempted, posting tonnes of quotes/links telling me about the Coriolis effect will not amount to such a demonstration. Make sure you read the above sentences carefully.

Then what sort of demonstration would it take to convince you that the Coriolis Effect is better documented than Aetherific Edification?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2010, 04:45:22 PM »
There are just too many ifs and buts to Coriolis. RErs always bring it up, but when it comes to a test, like which way does my sink drain, it falls flat on its backside.
Ohh, not again. Do you like to display your stupidity so much? The small things isn't affected so much about it. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force#Draining_in_bathtubs_and_toilets explains it quite well. I guess you can find same explanations from other places. And the Coriolis force isn't the only factor on earth which affects currents an all other things. You better stop humping the Coriolis force as it should be the only thing here on the earth which affects things.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2010, 04:48:48 PM »
Oh, and just in case anyone's tempted, posting tonnes of quotes/links telling me about the Coriolis effect will not amount to such a demonstration. Make sure you read the above sentences carefully.
So, you are saying that "don't bother me with physics but let me touch the Coriolis force with my hands"? Or you want to say that there isn't any effects on you when you stand on the rotating sphere?
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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#### Thork

##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2010, 04:54:29 PM »
You better stop humping the Coriolis force as it should be the only thing here on the earth which affects things.
Humping it? Which way will my balls swing in the northern hemisphere?
I am saying it seems to be the RE answer to everything. This daft thread included. But when there are so many exceptions, large scale and small, numerous and rare, how can it be said to be proven. I cannot prove it at home. You can only go on what scientists with an agenda are telling you. You need to open your eyes to the scale of the conspiracy. They are fooling you at every turn.

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2010, 05:00:33 PM »
I cannot prove it at home. You can only go on what scientists with an agenda are telling you. You need to open your eyes to the scale of the conspiracy. They are fooling you at every turn.
Don't go in that way now. You can't prove most of things(or anything) at your home. You haven't even proved the flat earth. I doubt you even know where exactly your groceries come. You just trust the sellers.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

#### Trekky0623

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2010, 05:02:43 PM »
The Coriolis Effect really doesn't become apparent until you look at storms. Drains and toiles and such are more affected by shape than the Earth, simply because they're too small. Once you get a storm like a hurricane, it becomes much more apparent.

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#### Thork

##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2010, 05:06:35 PM »
I cannot prove it at home. You can only go on what scientists with an agenda are telling you. You need to open your eyes to the scale of the conspiracy. They are fooling you at every turn.
Don't go in that way now. You can't prove most of things(or anything) at your home. You haven't even proved the flat earth. I doubt you even know where exactly your groceries come. You just trust the sellers.
Zetetic methods are based on what you can observe yourself. So you can see. Check their experiments in the FAQ. Tom Bishop can tell you all the things you can see for yourself from shape of the sea to the way star distances can be accurately calculated. Its all stuff yu can verify for yourself. Not rely on others for. So enough of the silly unproven Coriolis business please.

Explanation a few posts up.

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#### zork

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2010, 05:16:01 PM »
Zetetic methods are based on what you can observe yourself. So you can see. Check their experiments in the FAQ. Tom Bishop can tell you all the things you can see for yourself from shape of the sea to the way star distances can be accurately calculated. Its all stuff yu can verify for yourself. Not rely on others for. So enough of the silly unproven Coriolis business please.
Well, you don't understand it, so it is silly. Good to know. And you are quite a hypocrite as I see. Not rely on others for.. don't make ma laugh. Your all life depends on the others. So, drop your Zetetic stuff when you don't behave according to it. As for the Tom, there isn't any experiments or measurements which can be replicated by others like he does them. You try to do them at first and than come back and talk.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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#### Thork

##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2010, 05:21:20 PM »
Zetetic methods are based on what you can observe yourself. So you can see. Check their experiments in the FAQ. Tom Bishop can tell you all the things you can see for yourself from shape of the sea to the way star distances can be accurately calculated. Its all stuff yu can verify for yourself. Not rely on others for. So enough of the silly unproven Coriolis business please.
Well, you don't understand it, so it is silly. Good to know. And you are quite a hypocrite as I see. Not rely on others for.. don't make ma laugh. Your all life depends on the others. So, drop your Zetetic stuff when you don't behave according to it. As for the Tom, there isn't any experiments or measurements which can be replicated by others like he does them. You try to do them at first and than come back and talk.
Zork, I can trust a milkman to bring me milk. I can trust a shop to stock food. But the whole point of FES is that you cannot trust the governments to deliver correct science. They have an ulterior motive. Would you trust BP with your beach? Some things deserve to be questioned. Others don't. Earth's shape, well what better thing to want to know for myself?

#### Slemon

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##### Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2010, 05:28:10 PM »
Zetetic methods are based on what you can observe yourself. So you can see. Check their experiments in the FAQ. Tom Bishop can tell you all the things you can see for yourself from shape of the sea to the way star distances can be accurately calculated. Its all stuff yu can verify for yourself. Not rely on others for. So enough of the silly unproven Coriolis business please.
Well, you don't understand it, so it is silly. Good to know. And you are quite a hypocrite as I see. Not rely on others for.. don't make ma laugh. Your all life depends on the others. So, drop your Zetetic stuff when you don't behave according to it. As for the Tom, there isn't any experiments or measurements which can be replicated by others like he does them. You try to do them at first and than come back and talk.
Zork, I can trust a milkman to bring me milk. I can trust a shop to stock food. But the whole point of FES is that you cannot trust the governments to deliver correct science. They have an ulterior motive. Would you trust BP with your beach? Some things deserve to be questioned. Others don't. Earth's shape, well what better thing to want to know for myself?

Attack the science, not the sources. What is your reason for not trusting the government as a source?