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vhu9644

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2010, 08:41:08 PM »
145065600000000000 seconds = 4.6 billion

so multiply that by 9.81 m/s

1423093536000000000 m/s

isnt that over the speed of light?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2010, 11:18:47 PM »
You are not taking into consideration Special Relativity. The fact that it is possible for the Universe to accelerate forever and not reach the speed of light is not really contested by any of the intelligent RE'ers here.

Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
The FAQ tells us (And proves mathematically) that earth cannot go faster than the speed of light. I am pleased about that because  relativity tells us that even though you continue to feel 1 g acceleration, you just keep getting closer and closer to the speed of light without ever getting there.

The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

According to the theory of special relativity, earth accelerating at one standard gravity (9.80665 m/sē) will have the speeds shown in the table below.

T (days), v/c
10, 0.028255
20, 0.056465
30, 0.084586
40, 0.112572
50, 0.140380
60, 0.167969
70, 0.195298
80, 0.222326
90, 0.249017
100, 0.275335
110, 0.301246
120, 0.326721
130, 0.351729
140, 0.376245
150, 0.400245
160, 0.423708
170, 0.446617
180, 0.468954
190, 0.490707
200, 0.511865
210, 0.532420
220, 0.552366
230, 0.571698
240, 0.590416
250, 0.608520
260, 0.626012
270, 0.642895
280, 0.659176
290, 0.674862
300, 0.689961
310, 0.704482
320, 0.718437
330, 0.731836
340, 0.744692
350, 0.757019
360, 0.768829
1 year, 0.774818
400, 0.811193
500, 0.888158
600, 0.934877
700, 0.962469
2 years, 0.968315
800, 0.978500
900, 0.987726
1000, 0.993007
3 years, 0.995924
4 years, 0.999482
5 years, 0.999934

We will get closer and closer, but never get there. So its nice to say for a change, that one is water tight. The FAQ hasn't made a mess of things. Flat Earth stands.

Quote from: ClockTower on October 20, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
I never bung numbers in if they aint right. That much ClockTower will tell you.
Those numbers are correct. Indeed I believe that I pointed to the article that provided them first in these forums.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2010, 11:22:59 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 04, 2010, 11:18:47 PM
You are not taking into consideration Special Relativity. The fact that it is possible for the Universe to accelerate forever and not reach the speed of light is not really contested by any of the intelligent RE'ers here.

Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
The FAQ tells us (And proves mathematically) that earth cannot go faster than the speed of light. I am pleased about that because  relativity tells us that even though you continue to feel 1 g acceleration, you just keep getting closer and closer to the speed of light without ever getting there.

The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

According to the theory of special relativity, earth accelerating at one standard gravity (9.80665 m/sē) will have the speeds shown in the table below.

T (days), v/c
10, 0.028255
20, 0.056465
30, 0.084586
40, 0.112572
50, 0.140380
60, 0.167969
70, 0.195298
80, 0.222326
90, 0.249017
100, 0.275335
110, 0.301246
120, 0.326721
130, 0.351729
140, 0.376245
150, 0.400245
160, 0.423708
170, 0.446617
180, 0.468954
190, 0.490707
200, 0.511865
210, 0.532420
220, 0.552366
230, 0.571698
240, 0.590416
250, 0.608520
260, 0.626012
270, 0.642895
280, 0.659176
290, 0.674862
300, 0.689961
310, 0.704482
320, 0.718437
330, 0.731836
340, 0.744692
350, 0.757019
360, 0.768829
1 year, 0.774818
400, 0.811193
500, 0.888158
600, 0.934877
700, 0.962469
2 years, 0.968315
800, 0.978500
900, 0.987726
1000, 0.993007
3 years, 0.995924
4 years, 0.999482
5 years, 0.999934

We will get closer and closer, but never get there. So its nice to say for a change, that one is water tight. The FAQ hasn't made a mess of things. Flat Earth stands.

Quote from: ClockTower on October 20, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
I never bung numbers in if they aint right. That much ClockTower will tell you.
Those numbers are correct. Indeed I believe that I pointed to the article that provided them first in these forums.

KK

but whay arent we affected by UA theory's force?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2010, 11:26:21 PM »
The Earth acts as a sort of shield against it. The Earth takes the full force of the UA while we do not. However, it should be noted that we are still indirectly affected by it's force since it moving the Earth is moving us.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2010, 11:27:49 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 04, 2010, 11:26:21 PM
The Earth acts as a sort of shield against it. The Earth takes the full force of the UA while we do not. However, it should be noted that we are still indirectly affected by it's force since it moving the Earth is moving us.

then what pushes the earth up, that can be blocked?  i thought it was dark energy
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2010, 09:50:06 AM »
Quote from: vhu9644 on November 04, 2010, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 04, 2010, 11:26:21 PM
The Earth acts as a sort of shield against it. The Earth takes the full force of the UA while we do not. However, it should be noted that we are still indirectly affected by it's force since it moving the Earth is moving us.
then what pushes the earth up, that can be blocked?

The answer is nothing.  Why FEers would seriously believe a mysterious, undocumented force acts solely upon the bottom of the flat Earth and nothing else (not even anything else on Earth) is beyond me.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2010, 11:29:38 AM »
What's really amazing is that UA makes perfect sense to them, but gravity is perposterous.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2010, 11:33:29 AM »
Quote from: vhu9644 on November 04, 2010, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 04, 2010, 11:26:21 PM
The Earth acts as a sort of shield against it. The Earth takes the full force of the UA while we do not. However, it should be noted that we are still indirectly affected by it's force since it moving the Earth is moving us.

then what pushes the earth up, that can be blocked?  i thought it was dark energy

I hold UA to be something else.

UA gets weaker when it passes through objects.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2010, 05:34:54 PM »
Quote from: vhu9644 on November 04, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 04, 2010, 11:18:47 PM
You are not taking into consideration Special Relativity. The fact that it is possible for the Universe to accelerate forever and not reach the speed of light is not really contested by any of the intelligent RE'ers here.

Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
The FAQ tells us (And proves mathematically) that earth cannot go faster than the speed of light. I am pleased about that because  relativity tells us that even though you continue to feel 1 g acceleration, you just keep getting closer and closer to the speed of light without ever getting there.

The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

According to the theory of special relativity, earth accelerating at one standard gravity (9.80665 m/sē) will have the speeds shown in the table below.

T (days), v/c
10, 0.028255
20, 0.056465
30, 0.084586
40, 0.112572
50, 0.140380
60, 0.167969
70, 0.195298
80, 0.222326
90, 0.249017
100, 0.275335
110, 0.301246
120, 0.326721
130, 0.351729
140, 0.376245
150, 0.400245
160, 0.423708
170, 0.446617
180, 0.468954
190, 0.490707
200, 0.511865
210, 0.532420
220, 0.552366
230, 0.571698
240, 0.590416
250, 0.608520
260, 0.626012
270, 0.642895
280, 0.659176
290, 0.674862
300, 0.689961
310, 0.704482
320, 0.718437
330, 0.731836
340, 0.744692
350, 0.757019
360, 0.768829
1 year, 0.774818
400, 0.811193
500, 0.888158
600, 0.934877
700, 0.962469
2 years, 0.968315
800, 0.978500
900, 0.987726
1000, 0.993007
3 years, 0.995924
4 years, 0.999482
5 years, 0.999934

We will get closer and closer, but never get there. So its nice to say for a change, that one is water tight. The FAQ hasn't made a mess of things. Flat Earth stands.

Quote from: ClockTower on October 20, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on October 20, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
I never bung numbers in if they aint right. That much ClockTower will tell you.
Those numbers are correct. Indeed I believe that I pointed to the article that provided them first in these forums.

KK

but whay arent we affected by UA theory's force?

In the FET the earth's mass doesn't have gravity there for special relativity cant apply to it. FET mass is different from RET mass. You cant just decided to mix the two to support an answer. Or does FET mass behave like RET mass, in which case it has gravity?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2010, 05:47:19 PM »
Both FET and RET share their views on mass. So special relativity applies.

However it is their view on weight that differs. Whilst both agree on the figure, the phenomenon that causes weight is disagreed upon. Gravity/UA. 
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2010, 04:07:36 PM »
Quote from: Thork on November 07, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Both FET and RET share their views on mass. So special relativity applies.

However it is their view on weight that differs. Whilst both agree on the figure, the phenomenon that causes weight is disagreed upon. Gravity/UA. 
RET says mass causes gravity, FET says gravity doesn't exist.
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Gravity as a force does not exist
Quote from: FAQ
Q: Why does g vary with altitude if the Earth simply accelerates up?

A: The celestial bodies have a slight gravitational pull.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2010, 04:18:20 PM »
Quote from: wecl0me12 on November 09, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on November 07, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Both FET and RET share their views on mass. So special relativity applies.

However it is their view on weight that differs. Whilst both agree on the figure, the phenomenon that causes weight is disagreed upon. Gravity/UA. 
RET says mass causes gravity, FET says gravity doesn't exist.
Actually in some factions of FET, gravity very much exists, but I do not want to fragment the thread.
For the sake of UA theory it does not exist.
Whilst mass does not cause gravity with UA theory, mass is still there. Mass after all is Density x Volume. Things still have both a density and a volume in FE. It is just that this mass does not create a magical force, attracting all else to it.
One is not reliant on the other. Both theories enjoy the property of mass. How a mass is given weight is the dividing point. UA/Gravity.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2010, 04:21:49 PM »
Quote from: sillyrob on November 05, 2010, 11:29:38 AM
What's really amazing is that UA makes perfect sense to them, but gravity is perposterous.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM »
Quote from: wecl0me12 on November 09, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on November 07, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Both FET and RET share their views on mass. So special relativity applies.

However it is their view on weight that differs. Whilst both agree on the figure, the phenomenon that causes weight is disagreed upon. Gravity/UA. 
RET says mass causes gravity, FET says gravity doesn't exist.

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

The cause of gravity is currently unknown in RET.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2010, 05:04:34 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
A body's mass also determines the degree to which it generates or is affected by a gravitational field.

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2010, 11:54:53 PM »
Quote from: Thork on November 09, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: wecl0me12 on November 09, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Thork on November 07, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Both FET and RET share their views on mass. So special relativity applies.

However it is their view on weight that differs. Whilst both agree on the figure, the phenomenon that causes weight is disagreed upon. Gravity/UA. 
RET says mass causes gravity, FET says gravity doesn't exist.
Actually in some factions of FET, gravity very much exists, but I do not want to fragment the thread.
For the sake of UA theory it does not exist.
Whilst mass does not cause gravity with UA theory, mass is still there. Mass after all is Density x Volume. Things still have both a density and a volume in FE. It is just that this mass does not create a magical force, attracting all else to it.
One is not reliant on the other. Both theories enjoy the property of mass. How a mass is given weight is the dividing point. UA/Gravity.

i dont think that is the definition of matter,  i thought matter is anything with mass and volume.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2010, 09:23:13 AM »
Quote from: berny_74 on November 09, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
A body's mass also determines the degree to which it generates or is affected by a gravitational field.

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Where does that quote say that mass causes gravity?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2010, 10:12:34 AM »
Quote from: berny_74 on November 09, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
A body's mass also determines the degree to which it generates or is affected by a gravitational field.

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That just tells there is a correlation between the two, not that one causes the other.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2010, 10:19:06 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on November 09, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
A body's mass also determines the degree to which it generates or is affected by a gravitational field.

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That just tells there is a correlation between the two, not that one causes the other.
And where in Science do you ever see anything more than that?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2010, 10:22:14 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:19:06 AM
And where is Science do you ever see anything more than that?

This does not make sense.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2010, 10:29:29 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:19:06 AM
And where isin Science do you ever see anything more than that?

This does not make sense.
Sorry. Fixed.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #81 on: November 15, 2010, 10:34:00 AM »
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #82 on: November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:19:06 AM
And where isin Science do you ever see anything more than that?

This does not make sense.
Sorry. Fixed.

Thanks.

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<yawn> So name one causal link in Science that is not based on correlation alone. What you it take for you to believe that mass causes objects to move toward each other?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #83 on: November 15, 2010, 11:05:40 AM »
If mass causes gravity, why do photons have gravity?
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2010, 11:12:23 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
If mass causes gravity, why do photons have gravity?

Because they have mass.
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« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2010, 11:13:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
If mass causes gravity, why do photons have gravity?
Please show me how you determined 1) photons have gravity and 2) photons don't have intrinsic mass and 3) photons don't have momentum. Thanks.
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« Reply #86 on: November 15, 2010, 12:43:56 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
<yawn> So name one causal link in Science that is not based on correlation alone.

I would say much of computer science is based on input/output, cause/effect relations. Not a whole lot of correlation involved with programming and building a computer.

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What you it take for you to believe that mass causes objects to move toward each other?

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« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2010, 12:47:20 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
<yawn> So name one causal link in Science that is not based on correlation alone.

I would say much of computer science is based on input/output, cause/effect relations. Not a whole lot of correlation involved with programming and building a computer.
Non-responsive. Please answer the question. Don't confuse engineering with Science.
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What youwould it take for you to believe that mass causes objects to move toward each other?
Fixed. Sorry.

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2010, 02:58:48 PM »
I know I am a little late in responding with work and that but...

Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on November 09, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 09, 2010, 04:36:18 PM

Do link to where it says mass is the cause of gravity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
A body's mass also determines the degree to which it generates or is affected by a gravitational field.

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Where does that quote say that mass causes gravity?

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 10:12:34 AM

That just tells there is a correlation between the two, not that one causes the other.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation
Gravitation, or gravity, is a natural phenomenon in which objects with mass attract one another.

From the Wiki I can infer that things with mass have a gravitational force, or gravity.
Which satisfies TB's question
As for EG - I think the Wiki just answered that as well.

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2010, 04:22:46 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
<yawn> So name one causal link in Science that is not based on correlation alone.

I would say much of computer science is based on input/output, cause/effect relations. Not a whole lot of correlation involved with programming and building a computer.
Non-responsive. Please answer the question. Don't confuse engineering with Science

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Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
What youwould it take for you to believe that mass causes objects to move toward each other?
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Fixed. Sorry.

How is engineering not a science?  ???

To convince me mass causes gravitational attraction, you would first have to prove the mechanism behind gravity.

Good luck with that.  ;)
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