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Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

No, he struggles to lift a fighter plane out of a bog.

Quote from: Vindictus on August 06, 2013, 09:55:04 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on August 01, 2013, 06:27:26 PM

Quote from: Sir_Drainsalot on August 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM

Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

Mass Effect has these.

No it doesn't.

Not the planet destroying one but reletavistic weapons.  Mass Accelerators are weapons that lower a metal slug's mass then fire it at extremely high velocities.  The result is an insanely fast piece of metal that hits with the force of a nuclear warhead.

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Q could erase Yoda and every other Jedi and Sith from existence with a mere thought.
He could probably even erase them from history, so that they never even existed do begin with.

Nothing in the Star Wars universe possesses powers that could rival Q's.

Quote from: Lorddave on August 07, 2013, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Vindictus on August 06, 2013, 09:55:04 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on August 01, 2013, 06:27:26 PM

Quote from: Sir_Drainsalot on August 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM

Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

Mass Effect has these.

No it doesn't.

Not the planet destroying one but reletavistic weapons.  Mass Accelerators are weapons that lower a metal slug's mass then fire it at extremely high velocities.  The result is an insanely fast piece of metal that hits with the force of a nuclear warhead.

Dreadnaughts are the biggest class of ship in Mass Effect, I think their largest guns accelerate projectiles to 1 or 2% the speed of light, which isn't that fast.

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 04:45:27 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Q could erase Yoda and every other Jedi and Sith from existence with a mere thought.
He could probably even erase them from history, so that they never even existed do begin with.

Nothing in the Star Wars universe possesses powers that could rival Q's.

Jedi are probably a little more powerful than Guinan.

Quote from: Lorddave on August 07, 2013, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Vindictus on August 06, 2013, 09:55:04 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on August 01, 2013, 06:27:26 PM

Quote from: Sir_Drainsalot on August 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM

Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

Mass Effect has these.

No it doesn't.

Not the planet destroying one but reletavistic weapons.  Mass Accelerators are weapons that lower a metal slug's mass then fire it at extremely high velocities.  The result is an insanely fast piece of metal that hits with the force of a nuclear warhead.

Dreadnaughts are the biggest class of ship in Mass Effect, I think their largest guns accelerate projectiles to 1 or 2% the speed of light, which isn't that fast.

Quote from: Rama Set on August 07, 2013, 05:01:49 AM

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 04:45:27 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Q could erase Yoda and every other Jedi and Sith from existence with a mere thought.
He could probably even erase them from history, so that they never even existed do begin with.

Nothing in the Star Wars universe possesses powers that could rival Q's.

Jedi are probably a little more powerful than Guinan.

Probably a lot more powerful.

Actually, I don't know. Don't know that much about her.

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 05:04:50 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on August 07, 2013, 05:01:49 AM

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 04:45:27 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Q could erase Yoda and every other Jedi and Sith from existence with a mere thought.
He could probably even erase them from history, so that they never even existed do begin with.

Nothing in the Star Wars universe possesses powers that could rival Q's.

Jedi are probably a little more powerful than Guinan.

Probably a lot more powerful.

Actually, I don't know. Don't know that much about her.

In the realm of ESP, she has precognitive powers and the ability to perceive alternate timelines as well as an ability to perceive how past actions will affect present timelines.  The alternate timeline stuff seems pretty beyond Jedi, but Jedi have a breadth of power that give them the edge methinks.  Ultimately it would be about how she was employed in a war.

Quote from: Rama Set on August 07, 2013, 06:17:09 AM

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 05:04:50 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on August 07, 2013, 05:01:49 AM

Quote from: Mugthulhu on August 07, 2013, 04:45:27 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

Q could erase Yoda and every other Jedi and Sith from existence with a mere thought.
He could probably even erase them from history, so that they never even existed do begin with.

Nothing in the Star Wars universe possesses powers that could rival Q's.

Jedi are probably a little more powerful than Guinan.

Probably a lot more powerful.

Actually, I don't know. Don't know that much about her.

In the realm of ESP, she has precognitive powers and the ability to perceive alternate timelines as well as an ability to perceive how past actions will affect present timelines.  The alternate timeline stuff seems pretty beyond Jedi, but Jedi have a breadth of power that give them the edge methinks.  Ultimately it would be about how she was employed in a war.

Whatever she has wasn't good enough to save her people from the Borg.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 07, 2013, 03:11:57 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

No, he struggles to lift a fighter plane out of a bog.

Then the force is not a game changer.

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:20:31 AM

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 07, 2013, 03:11:57 AM

Quote from: DDDDAts all folks on August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM

Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?

No, he struggles to lift a fighter plane out of a bog.

Then the force is not a game changer.

Only if we assume that the Force starts and ends with Yoda, which it does not.

Stop referencing the prequels!

I was partially talking to Alex about the whole Jedi genocide thing.  We don't how that happened, because I am ignoring how Episode III depicted it.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on August 08, 2013, 06:48:20 AM

I was partially talking to Alex about the whole Jedi genocide thing.  We don't how that happened, because I am ignoring how Episode III depicted it.

Yeah, sorry, I forgot myself. But the asteroid field thing is a good point. Why didn't Vader just push those rocks out of the way?

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on August 08, 2013, 06:29:25 AM

Stop referencing the prequels!

Obi-Wan: He was the best star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.
(Talking about Luke's father)


But fine.
Vader flew his ship into an asteroid field and shot at /was hit by asteroids.  All to find a ship.
Since he is more powerful than Yoda, why didn't he just force move the asteroid field like Moses parting the Red Sea?

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

Sure.  The latter option would require some good intelligence on the ship they were attacking, but that could work.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

The Force most likely has some proximity restrictions.

Quote from: EnigmaZV on August 08, 2013, 02:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

The Force most likely has some proximity restrictions.

From what I've seen of Star Wars and it's extended universe the force has whatever limitations are required by the story. I've never understood why Jedi can't fly or at the least levitate an object that they're on (like a chair), a bit like the way Magneto flies in Xmen.

extended universe

Quote from: Manarq on August 09, 2013, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on August 08, 2013, 02:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

The Force most likely has some proximity restrictions.

From what I've seen of Star Wars and it's extended universe the force has whatever limitations are required by the story. I've never understood why Jedi can't fly or at the least levitate an object that they're on (like a chair), a bit like the way Magneto flies in Xmen.

Like the way Qui Gonn and Obi Wan force-dash out the way of the droidekas on the trade federation ship but then Obi Wan DOESN'T use it for some reason to rush through the force-fields (Never understod why they even existed) in the Naboo power plant when fighting Maul. he also stands there impotently, instead of throwing around debris or trying to trip Maul up using the force.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 09, 2013, 04:24:00 AM

Quote from: Manarq on August 09, 2013, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on August 08, 2013, 02:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

The Force most likely has some proximity restrictions.

From what I've seen of Star Wars and it's extended universe the force has whatever limitations are required by the story. I've never understood why Jedi can't fly or at the least levitate an object that they're on (like a chair), a bit like the way Magneto flies in Xmen.

Like the way Qui Gonn and Obi Wan force-dash out the way of the droidekas on the trade federation ship but then Obi Wan DOESN'T use it for some reason to rush through the force-fields (Never understod why they even existed) in the Naboo power plant when fighting Maul. he also stands there impotently, instead of throwing around debris or trying to trip Maul up using the force.

Indeed, why wasn't he trying to choke Maul, or giving him a force wedgie.

Quote from: Manarq on August 09, 2013, 05:19:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 09, 2013, 04:24:00 AM

Quote from: Manarq on August 09, 2013, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on August 08, 2013, 02:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manarq on August 08, 2013, 07:49:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the focus above seems to be on Jedi moving large things, blowing up star ships etc but surely they could do far more damage on a smaller scale. Stopping someones heart or blowing up a star ship by breaking the anti-mater regulators in the engine.

The Force most likely has some proximity restrictions.

From what I've seen of Star Wars and it's extended universe the force has whatever limitations are required by the story. I've never understood why Jedi can't fly or at the least levitate an object that they're on (like a chair), a bit like the way Magneto flies in Xmen.

Like the way Qui Gonn and Obi Wan force-dash out the way of the droidekas on the trade federation ship but then Obi Wan DOESN'T use it for some reason to rush through the force-fields (Never understod why they even existed) in the Naboo power plant when fighting Maul. he also stands there impotently, instead of throwing around debris or trying to trip Maul up using the force.

Indeed, why wasn't he trying to choke Maul, or giving him a force wedgie.

That would actually have made the movie tolerable.