Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1020 on: July 31, 2013, 12:15:37 PM »
Jedi can use their Jedi mind trick to force the trek ship captains to self destruct their ships.

Except the Jedi mind trick isn't an end-all. Even the Holy Trilogy had people immune to it. It was implied that it only worked on weak-willed individuals. Nobody able to be made captain of a ship has a weak will.

Except maybe Kirk when his willful side was literally removed from him. But that was only temporary.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1021 on: July 31, 2013, 12:41:48 PM »
Star wars is owned by Disney.
War is against Disney policy.

Therefore, star trek wins.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1022 on: July 31, 2013, 03:34:41 PM »
This isn't on topic and was mentioned a few pages back, but how are the terran superior to both star wars and star trek?

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1023 on: July 31, 2013, 04:05:01 PM »
Nothing from either universe would survive an SCV rush.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1024 on: July 31, 2013, 09:27:09 PM »
Nothing from either universe would survive an SCV rush.

http://www.scv.org/

That's an interesting idea.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1025 on: August 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1026 on: August 01, 2013, 03:35:18 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

What's a relativistic weapon?
Aether is the  characteristic of action or inaction of charged  & noncharged particals.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1027 on: August 01, 2013, 03:41:26 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

What's a relativistic weapon?

I'm guessing a weapon that travels at relativistic speeds. Such as, say, a 30 m diamond meteor (Thirty-meter diamond meteor sounds like a band name "And now announcing ... Thirty-Meter Diamond Meteor!!!" Anyone?) traveling as fast as the Oh-My-God Particle.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1028 on: August 01, 2013, 05:48:25 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments

Please read the thread before replying, thank you.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1029 on: August 01, 2013, 06:21:34 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.

What's a relativistic weapon?

You know I was going to hotlink to the wiki page on them but I figured if people were unsure and curious enough they could reach for their nearest internet search bar  :P

Yes, the idea is that you take a very small lump of metal - maybe a ton or so - and just accelerate the thing as long as you possibly can. You'd need ridiculous amounts of energy - think Dyson shell/sphere, or at the least one hell of a fusion reactor - but if you could get it to 99%+ of the speed of light relativity really starts kicking in. You'd have this object moving with enough energy to at the very least equal a massive asteroid impact, or if you go overboard enough you literally vapourise a planet completely, and maybe take out the star to boot.

The scary bit being that you cannot see these things coming due to the fact the light they emit is of course only going slightly faster than the object itself relative to whoever it hits, so say there was a probe out by pluto that picked up a strange reading, then signal relaying that to Earth would arrive literally a second before the missile itself. No chance.

There's an excellent overview here.

Sleep tight, knowing one of those could be on it's way right now.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1030 on: August 01, 2013, 06:27:26 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.
Mass Effect has these.

The problem is that such a super weapon is impractical without a massive amount of energy.  Sure you can blow up a planet with a metal object, but the launcher would have to be a very long and very obvious.  And aiming it would be a pain.

As for seeing them coming:
Any species advanced enough to require one of these to kill them is likely able to travel through space at FTL.  Which means that they can probably detect things going faster than light or near to it.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1031 on: August 01, 2013, 08:11:08 PM »
Sleep tight, knowing one of those could be on it's way right now.

Thork?  My God, how many alts do you have?
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1032 on: August 06, 2013, 12:13:58 PM »
What if the Force could be used to just blow up spaceships?

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1033 on: August 06, 2013, 12:23:38 PM »
What if the Force could be used to just blow up spaceships?
It can, but not even Vader can do it.  Maybe if all the Jedi who ever lived concentrated they could blow up with me ship at a time but that's it.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1034 on: August 06, 2013, 12:36:25 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1035 on: August 06, 2013, 12:51:46 PM »
They could use Battle Meditation though.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1036 on: August 06, 2013, 12:53:49 PM »
They could use Battle Meditation though.

I had to look this up to see what you were talking about.  Is all this "extended universe" stuff really that good?  I've always heard it's crap for super-nerds.

Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1037 on: August 06, 2013, 01:05:42 PM »
Most of it isn't.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1038 on: August 06, 2013, 01:13:30 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration. 
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1039 on: August 06, 2013, 02:15:30 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration.


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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1040 on: August 06, 2013, 03:43:00 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration.

I am astonished at how you remembered that scene, but apparently forgot the part where he said "Size matters not."  That was kind of the whole point of the scene.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1041 on: August 06, 2013, 03:44:13 PM »
Star Peaceful Negotiations is much more badass.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1042 on: August 06, 2013, 04:01:57 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration.

I am astonished at how you remembered that scene, but apparently forgot the part where he said "Size matters not."  That was kind of the whole point of the scene.

He said "Size matters not" because Luke didn't think Yoda was powerful because Yoda was small. The fact that Luke couldn't lift the ship implies that the size of objects being lifted does matter.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1043 on: August 06, 2013, 05:34:54 PM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration.

I am astonished at how you remembered that scene, but apparently forgot the part where he said "Size matters not."  That was kind of the whole point of the scene.

He said "Size matters not" because Luke didn't think Yoda was powerful because Yoda was small. The fact that Luke couldn't lift the ship implies that the size of objects being lifted does matter.

He says more than just that:

“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”

Yoda makes the size comment specifically to answer Luke's statement, "It's too big."  To me this implies more than just Luke mistaking size with power, but also mistaking that the size of that the fighter is what is important.  What is truly important is the connection between things.  Luke did not fail to move the fighter because it was big, but rather because he could not get away from his own judgements and so could not perceive and affect the connection between him and the fighter.

I imagine Yoda's 200 gigatons of midi-chlorians (or whatever those stupid fucking things are called) helped too.  Thanks George Lucas for ruining -everything-.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1044 on: August 06, 2013, 08:44:10 PM »
I imagine Yoda's 200 gigatons of midi-chlorians (or whatever those stupid fucking things are called) helped too.  Thanks George Lucas for ruining -everything-.

Just pretend that never happened, like the rest of us do.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1045 on: August 06, 2013, 09:51:54 PM »
The original Star Wars movies weren't the result of George Lucas and as a consequence, they were actually enjoyable to watch. The newer trilogy and that awful Indiana Jones movie is what you get when George Lucas actually does the film.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1046 on: August 06, 2013, 09:55:04 PM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.
Mass Effect has these.

No it doesn't.

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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1047 on: August 07, 2013, 02:48:57 AM »
Why would it take a bunch of them to do it?
Because a ship is really big.  And while Yoda can lift a fighter from a swamp, moving one against it's flight path requires enormous energy and concentration.

I am astonished at how you remembered that scene, but apparently forgot the part where he said "Size matters not."  That was kind of the whole point of the scene.
If that were the case, Vader would have halted the millennium falcon as it flew off of Hoth.  Or force lifted Luke as he fell.  Or blown up Yavin 4 himself.

The object doesn't matter, only your will.  And one Jedi probably doesn't have the will power to do something that powerful. 
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1048 on: August 07, 2013, 03:00:28 AM »
Not really prepared to read 52 pages of what I'm sure was enthralling arguments but is anyone familiar with relativistic weapons? That's the form I think an actual space war would take - assuming your objective was to outright obliterate planets rather than capture/mine/enslave them. They don't seem to be seen in sci-fi though.
Mass Effect has these.

No it doesn't.
Not the planet destroying one but reletavistic weapons.  Mass Accelerators are weapons that lower a metal slug's mass then fire it at extremely high velocities.  The result is an insanely fast piece of metal that hits with the force of a nuclear warhead.
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Re: Scientific proof that Star Wars would crush Star Trek in any war
« Reply #1049 on: August 07, 2013, 03:11:09 AM »
Is Yoda ,with all his force, more powerful than Q?