Guy sends a camer 100,000ft in the air. Earth doesnt look flat to me.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/10/13/father-son-team-launch-balloon-with-hd-camera-iphone-into-space/

Id like to know what you guys think about this. You can clearly see that the Earth is not flat.

Man, what is this like...the 100th post of this? This guy needs some sort of an award where balloons fall down and confetti congratulating him.

Looks pretty flat at 3:21ish.  Then Round.  Then Concave.  Then Flat.  Then Round.  

You can see insane distortion all over the entire video.  Perhaps it went through some aether eddies.

Looks pretty flat at 3:21ish.  Then Round.  Then Concave.  Then Flat.  Then Round.  

You can see insane distortion all over the entire video.  Perhaps it went through some aether eddies.

Tennis, Lurk moar.

Username, prove that aether exists.

Aether is an unnecessary medium. Whether it exists or not is irrelevant as it appears to be 'undetectable' by any equipment we have.

I thought that was the point of the M&M experiment.

Regardless, there was a guy who did the same thing BUT also had a video screen and Rickrolled the upper atmosphere.

Quote from: Username on October 22, 2010, 12:27:53 AM

Looks pretty flat at 3:21ish.  Then Round.  Then Concave.  Then Flat.  Then Round.  

You can see insane distortion all over the entire video.  Perhaps it went through some aether eddies.

Tennis, Lurk moar.

Username, prove that aether exists.

I will.  Until such time you can kindly note I was speculating.  Hence the "perhaps."  The point is that there is distortion all over the entire video making it look all sorts of things its not.

Quote from: Danukenator123 on October 22, 2010, 03:55:25 AM

Quote from: Username on October 22, 2010, 12:27:53 AM

Looks pretty flat at 3:21ish.  Then Round.  Then Concave.  Then Flat.  Then Round.  

You can see insane distortion all over the entire video.  Perhaps it went through some aether eddies.

Tennis, Lurk moar.

Username, prove that aether exists.

I will.  Until such time you can kindly note I was speculating.  Hence the "perhaps."  The point is that there is distortion all over the entire video making it look all sorts of things its not.

If I find the sponsorship, will FES nominate someone to launch to orbit?

Quote from: Horatio on October 26, 2010, 07:05:47 AM

If I find the sponsorship, will FES nominate someone to launch to orbit?

What would that accomplish?

The end of the Flat Earth Society.

That is my one goal in life.

Quote from: Oscar on October 26, 2010, 07:20:39 AM

Quote from: Horatio on October 26, 2010, 07:05:47 AM

If I find the sponsorship, will FES nominate someone to launch to orbit?

What would that accomplish?

The end of the Flat Earth Society.

That is my one goal in life.

Lurk moar and you'll find that most FE'ers would deny that they were even in space.  I can't find the thread, but it was either Pongo or Vongeo that stated that any space flights were actually just elaborate simulators (windows are really high-res screens, etc.).  You'll never get a diehard FE'er to admit they're wrong.

I volunteer to be sent to space.

not so clear

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

False. You can only use that argument if and only if you can show that the observed curvature match the Sun's illumination on an FE map. Since you don't have an FE map, you fail.

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

That relies on a spotlight Sun, which isn't possible.

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

What about the microgravity experienced in spaceshipone/two?  We hope the amateur balloonists do not experience it since that means they are FALLING.  RE the spacecraft is experiencing a constant falling to earth around the earth  (Orbit).  On FE the only way to experience Microgravity is to "Fall" (or allow the Earth to catch up) something that can be experienced in a vomit comet plane ride.  (I believe Thork can attest to that)

So how does SpaceShipOne/Two, ISS experience microgravity without falling?

Berny
Had a shower

I assume you were on SpaceShipOne/Two or ISS since you seem to be so sure of this.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 09:34:50 AM

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

What about the microgravity experienced in spaceshipone/two?  We hope the amateur balloonists do not experience it since that means they are FALLING.  RE the spacecraft is experiencing a constant falling to earth around the earth  (Orbit).  On FE the only way to experience Microgravity is to "Fall" (or allow the Earth to catch up) something that can be experienced in a vomit comet plane ride.  (I believe Thork can attest to that)

So how does SpaceShipOne/Two, ISS experience microgravity without falling?

Berny
Had a shower

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 09:34:50 AM

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

What about the microgravity experienced in spaceshipone/two?  We hope the amateur balloonists do not experience it since that means they are FALLING.  RE the spacecraft is experiencing a constant falling to earth around the earth  (Orbit).  On FE the only way to experience Microgravity is to "Fall" (or allow the Earth to catch up) something that can be experienced in a vomit comet plane ride.  (I believe Thork can attest to that)

So how does SpaceShipOne/Two, ISS experience microgravity without falling?

Berny
Had a shower

Sorry, but you're mistaken. Even SpaceShip was falling to experience micro-gravity. Anything in orbit falls as well to experience micro-gravity.

Quoted from wikipedia: "the constant free fall of the ISS offers a perceived sensation of weightlessness"

Quote from: berny_74 on October 29, 2010, 09:40:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 09:34:50 AM

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

What about the microgravity experienced in spaceshipone/two?  We hope the amateur balloonists do not experience it since that means they are FALLING.  RE the spacecraft is experiencing a constant falling to earth around the earth  (Orbit).  On FE the only way to experience Microgravity is to "Fall" (or allow the Earth to catch up) something that can be experienced in a vomit comet plane ride.  (I believe Thork can attest to that)

So how does SpaceShipOne/Two, ISS experience microgravity without falling?

Berny
Had a shower

Sorry, but you're mistaken. Even SpaceShip was falling to experience micro-gravity. Anything in orbit falls as well to experience micro-gravity.

So how does SpaceShipOne/Two, ISS experience microgravity without falling?
Sorry, but you're mistaken. Even SpaceShip was falling to experience micro-gravity. Anything in orbit falls as well to experience micro-gravity.

Yes everything in Orbit "falls" to experience microgravity - but they stay at the same "altitude" and fall not to the earth itself (straight down) but along the "curve".   They may be falling but the can still orbit the earth for a signifgant number of orbits.  FE there is no ability to Orbit, so experiencing sustained microgravity by falling would be directly back to earth and would severly limit the time and altitude.

From Wikipedia about the ISS

At the station's orbital altitude, the gravity from the Earth is 88% of that at sea level. While the constant free fall of the ISS offers a perceived sensation of weightlessness, the environment onboard is not one of weightlessness or zero-gravity, instead often being described as microgravity. This state of perceived weightlessness is not perfect, however, being disturbed by four separate effects:

The 15minute orbit of the SpaceshipOne experienced microgravity before it's decent back to eath.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 09:34:50 AM

The sights seen from SpaceShipOne/Two and amateur balloonists at the edge of the atmosphere are easily explainable under FET.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=High+Altitude+Photographs

That relies on a spotlight Sun, which isn't possible.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Sun

The 15minute orbit of the SpaceshipOne experienced microgravity before it's decent back to eath.

Microgravity occurs any time you fall and reach terminal velocity.

Thread #8!

Microgravity occurs any time you fall and reach terminal velocity.

Not quite true, Tom.  Think about it.  Terminal velocity is when the acceleration due to gravity is balanced with atmospheric drag and velocity becomes constant.  No change in velocity, no microgravity.  In fact, as you descend into the thicker layers of the atmosphere, drag increases and terminal velocity decreases.  This is known as atmospheric braking.  If you don't believe me, ask a skydiver if he experiences microgravity when his parachute is open and he is at terminal velocity.

Thread #8!

FYI, the number game is in Random Musings.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 03:12:06 PM

Microgravity occurs any time you fall and reach terminal velocity.

Not quite true, Tom.  Think about it.  Terminal velocity is when the acceleration due to gravity is balanced with atmospheric drag and velocity becomes constant.  No change in velocity, no microgravity.  In fact, as you descend into the thicker layers of the atmosphere, drag increases and terminal velocity decreases.  This is known as atmospheric braking.  If you don't believe me, ask a skydiver if he experiences microgravity when his parachute is open and he is at terminal velocity.

If your terminal velocity is decreasing, you're not at terminal velocity then, are you?

Quote from: markjo on October 29, 2010, 04:34:48 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 29, 2010, 03:12:06 PM

Microgravity occurs any time you fall and reach terminal velocity.

Not quite true, Tom.  Think about it.  Terminal velocity is when the acceleration due to gravity is balanced with atmospheric drag and velocity becomes constant.  No change in velocity, no microgravity.  In fact, as you descend into the thicker layers of the atmosphere, drag increases and terminal velocity decreases.  This is known as atmospheric braking.  If you don't believe me, ask a skydiver if he experiences microgravity when his parachute is open and he is at terminal velocity.

If your terminal velocity is decreasing, you're not at terminal velocity then, are you?

The actual value for terminal velocity depends on several factors and is not constant through the atmosphere.

Great answer!

If your terminal velocity is decreasing, you're not at terminal velocity then, are you?

The 15minute orbit of the SpaceshipOne experienced microgravity before it's decent back to earth.

Spaceship One actually did not achieve orbit.  It merely followed a projectile path that would not have taken it around the earth.  Since a projectile by definition is in free fall, Spaceship One experienced microgravity.  An orbit is also freefall, but it specifically is a path that is wide enough to clear the object being orbitted.

Microgravity occurs any time you fall and reach terminal velocity.

Microgravity occurs any time you fall before reaching terminal velocity.  It's dependent on your vessel's acceleration being close to the same rate gravity is trying to accelerate you at.  As soon as that changes, some form of G-force will be experienced between you and the vessel.  At terminal velocity, your vessel's acceleration will be 0g, while gravity pulls you at 1g, so there will be a 1g force between you and the vessel at terminal velocity.  But I see the point you are trying to make, and there I agree with you.

Thread #8!

It gets better each time. amiright!

If your terminal velocity is decreasing, you're not at terminal velocity then, are you?[/s]

You're arguing against yourself, Tom.   I'll let you continue the debate with the other Tom.
Let us know when one of you wins.