Geographic problem

Again your failure to understand how Projection works show's exactly why you are not capable of handling this discussion . And you might want to also read the last article of your post. Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself Thork

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Actually I know precisely how projection works. FES provides you with a map and cover this very topic. So i don't need to put any effort in other than to direct you to read about it.

From my own calculations it is proximately 21,592.8 miles (+/-) 1 mile.. However there is no way to give an exact figure since coastlines are dynamic and you can literally and infinitely get a different figure. Especially when coast lines are not some magical solid and defined line. What exactly are you looking for here? Accuracy to the quantum level?

This is where you embarrass yourself. You sailed a 10th of Japan. Apparently mapping as you went and verifying all the details. and then you come up with a figure for the hole island to within a mile. Couple that with the coastal paradox I have already shown you, that can add hundreds of miles to the figure, this makes you statement laughable.

Learn how to educate your self in projection, and how to properly unfold a sphere. Your math skills are apparently not very good.

I don't need to unfold a sphere if the earth is flat and the FES map accurately represents that. If the earth is flat, and FE give that map, there is no folding to be done.

And you are incorrect that they don't give hints to the shape of the Earth

No, you are incorrect. I'm going to dig my heels in over this one because you are wrong because ....

This is why you use a coordinate system, compass, protractor ect with a map.

And you can use all those things on a PAP map. I will work. If it didn't there would be no point in these maps. You can use them for navigating.

Feel free to explain why your answers are simply debunked by asking real pilots.

Most of my friends are pilots. My colleagues are pilots. I think I have mentioned to you my profession before now. I know very well what a pilot should or should not know. So enlighten me. Why are these simply debunked by asking real pilots.

I can give you my first name and phone number to Legal C-Bar at the Logan International Airport. I will be happy to verify that I work there.

I didn't realise there was a McDonalds at Logan Airport. 

FES provides a map which no one claims to be accurate.

Thork: pay actually look at the maps you show. They are all distorted in some way. You are helping me prove my argument.

Thork: pay actually look at the maps you show. They are all distorted in some way. You are helping me prove my argument.

No. Your argument only stands if the earth is as you presume it to be. If the earth is as the FES map suggests, which would be quite navigable, then a Mercator projection which you are more used to, butchers it. Maybe Australia is bigger than you image? Its certainly too far to walk across. South America may well be much bigger. That would be good as that is where the rainforest is. Would mean lots of space for trees. Just because you are used to the scales you normally see, doesn't make them right. The Mercator projection is also wrong for RE even though you see it most frequently. The poles are stretched. I actually think your argument is useless and have seen much better on this forum. this is sort of a fodder thread. Easy to knock away because you can't prove your side, let alone expect FES to prove theirs.

Actually I know precisely how projection works. FES provides you with a map and cover this very topic. So i don't need to put any effort in other than to direct you to read about it.

If you had, you would have shut up a long time ago.

This is where you embarrass yourself. You sailed a 10th of Japan. Apparently mapping as you went and verifying all the details. and then you come up with a figure for the hole island to within a mile. Couple that with the coastal paradox I have already shown you, that can add hundreds of miles to the figure, this makes you statement laughable.

Very poor attempt to formulate your baseless conclusion. In fact my calculation actually turns out to be within 1 mile of Japans stated coastline. Do learn to get nautical charts and learn how to read them.

I don't need to unfold a sphere if the earth is flat and the FES map accurately represents that. If the earth is flat, and FE give that map, there is no folding to be done.

You have not shown FE to be accurate in anything. Keep begging there Thork lol.

No, you are incorrect. I'm going to dig my heels in over this one because you are wrong because ....

Incorrect

And you can use all those things on a PAP map. I will work. If it didn't there would be no point in these maps. You can use them for navigating.

You need to learn the differences between PAP maps and how to properly use them. The FE map projection is false. Lurk more, educate, and comeback when you know wft you are talking about. Posting pleading arguments for ignorance is not going to make you relevant in this discussion.

I didn't realise there was a McDonalds at Logan Airport. 

C-Bar was rated the number 2 Airport Restaurant in the World. Hardly a Mc Donalds when you make 400 - 500 a night working there lol. This really tells me that you know very little about Legal Seafood's. The Bar alone grosses over 8,000 dollars a day. Split that between 3 bar tenders and you get roughly 480 take home a night at 18% avg tip. It's not a bad job at all.  

Quote from: doyh on October 11, 2010, 04:04:42 PM

Thork: pay actually look at the maps you show. They are all distorted in some way. You are helping me prove my argument.

No. Your argument only stands if the earth is as you presume it to be. If the earth is as the FES map suggests, which would be quite navigable, then a Mercator projection which you are more used to, butchers it. Maybe Australia is bigger than you image? Its certainly too far to walk across. South America may well be much bigger. That would be good as that is where the rainforest is. Would mean lots of space for trees. Just because you are used to the scales you normally see, doesn't make them right. The Mercator projection is also wrong for RE even though you see it most frequently. The poles are stretched. I actually think your argument is useless and have seen much better on this forum. this is sort of a fodder thread. Easy to knock away because you can't prove your side, let alone expect FES to prove theirs.

Epic Fail entirely.

You are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend that you can not unfold a sphere into a flat circle disk without distorting the living hell out of it. My GOD, could you be any more dumber when it comes to this subject? The accuracy, coordinates, time, speed, and distance will be so grossly screwed up that it's actually laughable when I see you make such arguments Thork.

Please stop trolling the fora with repetitive intentional ignorance. And I would hope that it's intentional because it would be laughably sad if it wasn't


So now I am going to force you into a time speed and distance calculation Thork.

Step 1:
Since you are "a pilot" please tell me the distance from Logan international Airport to Tokyo Japan.

either answer the above or concede. If you don't answer this question, you will automatically be conceding.

So a barman and a professional pilot are having a conversation about navigation. The barman turns to the pilot and says

You need to learn the differences between PAP maps and how to properly use them.

At no point, did the pilot offer advice on making a Martini however.

C-Bar was rated the number 2 Airport Restaurant in the World. Hardly a Mc Donalds when you make 400 - 500 a night working there lol. This really tells me that you know very little about Legal Seafood's. The Bar alone grosses over 8,000 dollars a day. Split that between 3 bar tenders and you get roughly 480 take home a night at 18% avg tip. It's not a bad job at all.

I don't think you'd be interested in what I earn, so I shan't tell you. It would be a bit pretentious on my part anyway. You are right on one thing. I have no idea about Legal Seafood's. Or illegal seafood for that matter. I will google it whilst you are compiling your next nonsensical post.

The FE map projection is false

Provide evidence of this outlandish claim (That was in my best Parcifal voice)

You have not shown FE to be accurate in anything

I am still waiting in this thread to see anything accurate for RE, when the OP states maps are inaccurate to begin with. Where is the proof that maps prove earth is round. I haven't seen any. We've established maps are not accurate. We all agreed on that. So how then do they prove earth to be round and not flat. Were a long way into this thread now. Its a simple question. Why no answer?

You are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend that you can not unfold a sphere into a flat circle disk without distorting the living hell out of it. My GOD, could you be any more dumber when it comes to this subject? The accuracy, coordinates, time, speed, and distance will be so grossly screwed up that it's actually laughable when I see you make such arguments Thork.

The problem lies in your repeated failure to grasp that a flat earth isn't a sphere, so no folding is necessary for a flat earth.

Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

Quote from: doyh on October 11, 2010, 04:04:42 PM

Thork: pay actually look at the maps you show. They are all distorted in some way. You are helping me prove my argument.

No. Your argument only stands if the earth is as you presume it to be. If the earth is as the FES map suggests, which would be quite navigable, then a Mercator projection which you are more used to, butchers it.

I am certainly getting confused now.  What are we arguing?  The point is not HOW a map looks - but the ability to use them in a way that gets you from point A to point B.  The problem with the lack of a Flat Earth map - or the ones that are being considered, is that they cannot be used since the distances and directions are not currently compatible with reality.
We know the Mercator projection butchers the round earth - but any projection will distort a map.  BUT each projection exists for a different reason but they all accurately portray the Round Earth - just in a different way.

Berny

BUT each projection exists for a different reason but they all accurately portray the Round Earth - just in a different way.

And my Polar Azimuthal Projection shows they could all be portraying a flat earth - just in a different way.

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff. And I sail for the record. Civilian sailors are just as qualified to have this discussion. And yes, we talk to pilots all the time because they order food to go at the Bar. The Bar handles all walk in take out orders. So please spare me the Pilot drinking at the bar nonsense.

Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance according to your FE map. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. So Give me the figure to which your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

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BUT each projection exists for a different reason but they all accurately portray the Round Earth - just in a different way.

And my Polar Azimuthal Projection shows they could all be portraying a flat earth - just in a different way.

Sure they "could" portray a FE if it wasn't portraying an RE lol. FE is flat to begin with in concept LOL. Nice fail at understanding projection maps. RE is not compatible with FE even in projection maps. learn why you can not unfold a sphere into a flat circle disk PAP and have it be even close to accurate. This is grade school mathematics Thork! And in all cases of PAP they are never as accurate as a GLOBE. Google it, and understand why that is.

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

And in all cases of PAP they are never as accurate as a GLOBE. Google it, and understand why that is.

I'm giving up on you for this. You don't get how PAP maps work. You can draw a straight line on them and both the distance and bearing will be perfectly accurate - oh yes they will be. More so than using a globe actually because its easier to do on a flat surface. That is how the distortion works on all these maps. Its why they are distorted. So you can use them. If you want to argue this point, don't bother. That is down to your lack of understanding. Its a waste of both our time. Either stop pretending you understand and read about it, or stop going on about it.

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

You are conceding there Thork. And your direct line will still fail even by taking the shortest route... Give me the FE distance or concede. You should know the distance. I can give you mine, but you seem unable to provide an FE distance.


This is your last chance to support your position.. Especially when you claim RE takes the "LONG" route. I know very well the route it takes. I also know the route I sailed from Japan to Hawaii, and then Hawaii to California. This is going to be very interesting

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

How about this - since playing planes trains and automobiles will get nobody anywhere.  What is the distance that you would have to circumnavigate around the 55th parallel South on the Flat Earth map earth projection vs the Round Earth map projection?

Berny

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

You are conceding there Thork. And your direct line will still fail even by taking the shortest route... Give me the FE distance or concede. You should know the distance. I can give you mine, but you seem unable to provide an FE distance.

Fine, I can't believe I am going to humour you. It is 1am here now and this will take at least an hour because I want to get it right using sinmeanlat and chlong calcs + I will provide diagrams explaining what I have done, the formula and the distance tomorrow. You may then demand a Distance Tokyo airport to Boston. Is that all you require? Just a distance? I will post it here and PM you with a link once done. Assume 12-14 hours from now so I can go to bed and do the calcs tomorrow morning. I'm too tired right now. Will that suffice?

Just seen Berny's post. I will provide both. What will you do with this distance then Berny. I mean its just going to be longer isn't it?

Fine, I can't believe I am going to humour you. It is 1am here now and this will take at least an hour because I want to get it right using sinmeanlat and chlong calcs + I will provide diagrams explaining what I have done, the formula and the distance tomorrow. You may then demand a Distance Tokyo airport to Boston. Is that all you require? Just a distance? I will post it here and PM you with a link once done. Assume 12-14 hours from now so I can go to bed and do the calcs tomorrow morning. I'm too tired right now. Will that suffice?

Just seen Berny's post. I will provide both. What will you do with this distance then Berny. I mean its just going to be shorter isn't it?

Well - I will assume the Flat Earth distance at the 55th Parallel of latitude will be much larger in distance than the RE distance.  But since you want to make sure to get it right I will let you complete the numbers.  I am interested in seeing what you came up with.

Berny

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 05:04:44 PM

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

You are conceding there Thork. And your direct line will still fail even by taking the shortest route... Give me the FE distance or concede. You should know the distance. I can give you mine, but you seem unable to provide an FE distance.

Fine, I can't believe I am going to humour you. It is 1am here now and this will take at least an hour because I want to get it right using sinmeanlat and chlong calcs + I will provide diagrams explaining what I have done, the formula and the distance tomorrow. You may then demand a Distance Tokyo airport to Boston. Is that all you require? Just a distance? I will post it here and PM you with a link once done. Assume 12-14 hours from now so I can go to bed and do the calcs tomorrow morning. I'm too tired right now. Will that suffice?

Just seen Berny's post. I will provide both. What will you do with this distance then Berny. I mean its just going to be shorter isn't it?

That is just step one Thork We will then proceed to time, and speed, and then triangulate distances with other locations And if you use RE numbers I am going to laugh

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 05:14:36 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 05:04:44 PM

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

You are conceding there Thork. And your direct line will still fail even by taking the shortest route... Give me the FE distance or concede. You should know the distance. I can give you mine, but you seem unable to provide an FE distance.

Fine, I can't believe I am going to humour you. It is 1am here now and this will take at least an hour because I want to get it right using sinmeanlat and chlong calcs + I will provide diagrams explaining what I have done, the formula and the distance tomorrow. You may then demand a Distance Tokyo airport to Boston. Is that all you require? Just a distance? I will post it here and PM you with a link once done. Assume 12-14 hours from now so I can go to bed and do the calcs tomorrow morning. I'm too tired right now. Will that suffice?

Just seen Berny's post. I will provide both. What will you do with this distance then Berny. I mean its just going to be shorter isn't it?

That is just step one Thork We will then proceed to time, and speed, and then triangulate distances with other locations And if you use RE numbers I am going to laugh

You are going to totally waste my time aren't you? I don't think you grasp a rhumb line but I've tried explaining how you will be unsatisfied at the end of your daft theory several times, so I think we are going to have to do it the painful long way. I will post tomorrow.

PS triangulation won't catch me out if I use a a PAP formula. Like I said. You can draw straight lines on it and the angles will be true. But ho hum.

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 05:19:31 PM

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 05:14:36 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 05:04:44 PM

Quote from: Thork on October 11, 2010, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: TheJackel on October 11, 2010, 04:44:36 PM

Your Entire rant above is a lot of cry baby stuff.

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Right, lets play the silly DST game. Suppose the distance is 2000 miles. What now?

That is not an answer. We are not supposing distance. I asked you directly what is the distance. Hell, you can have a 10 mile handicap just for fun. Give me the figure your FE model states as the distance between Boston Logan airport the Tokyo Japan airport. Maybe you can ask your pilot buddies.

Do so or concede.

Right, I'm sick of this question and I'm not spending an hour calculating a DST for FE as opposed to RE for you at the end to cry you cheated. So before I do let me tell you what I would do.

Let us suppose the RE distance is 2000 miles. I make a PAP correction to say my distance is 1700 miles. The FAQ says you will have to go further because GPS etc makes you do this "In slow turns so you don't notice the overall effect". You will be following a rhumb line, I will be going direct (a shorter distance).

At the end, neither of our times match your flight. Why? Because I can't factor in accelerations, loading, holding, SIDs STARS, Pacific highway routes, windspeed, whether the pilot is running late, how fast you aircraft travels and a million other variables on the day. I wouldn't be right for either distance.

So what is the point in me wasting my time doing the calc. Do you understand why it would be futile? If not describe exactly which bit you don't get so we can stop this appearing in every thread we share.

You are conceding there Thork. And your direct line will still fail even by taking the shortest route... Give me the FE distance or concede. You should know the distance. I can give you mine, but you seem unable to provide an FE distance.

Fine, I can't believe I am going to humour you. It is 1am here now and this will take at least an hour because I want to get it right using sinmeanlat and chlong calcs + I will provide diagrams explaining what I have done, the formula and the distance tomorrow. You may then demand a Distance Tokyo airport to Boston. Is that all you require? Just a distance? I will post it here and PM you with a link once done. Assume 12-14 hours from now so I can go to bed and do the calcs tomorrow morning. I'm too tired right now. Will that suffice?

Just seen Berny's post. I will provide both. What will you do with this distance then Berny. I mean its just going to be shorter isn't it?

That is just step one Thork We will then proceed to time, and speed, and then triangulate distances with other locations And if you use RE numbers I am going to laugh

You are going to totally waste my time aren't you? I don't think you grasp a rhumb line but I've tried explaining how you will be unsatisfied at the end of your daft theory several times, so I think we are going to have to do it the painful long way. I will post tomorrow.

Make sure your route matches the same kind of route you expect RE to take. You can also feel free to give me the shortest distance or route as well. I will gladly do the same with the RE model .  

 

PS triangulation won't catch me out if I use a a PAP formula. Like I said. You can draw straight lines on it and the angles will be true. But ho hum.

learn how to find the area of a triangle lol. On RE it will not be the same as FE. FE can not be consistent with RE in this regard. Unfolding a Sphere into the type of projection your FE map shows (flat circle disk) requires adding mass area. You do understand how this works correct?  Hence taking RE's circumference as your Diameter is not going to give you equal results. It's going to be hilarious if you use RE numbers.

 When you are done with the northern hemisphere then maybe we can get the FE distances on the southern hemisphere. Or the sightings of fish swarms nudging the vessels and jet stream tunnels on the sky.

Really, there is not big interest the distances of NorthernHemisphere. FE and RE would differ only beyond the equator. So we have Australia, South Africa and South America here we need to examine.

And there distances could be very messed on RE maps. And we dont have FE maps nowadays(in the past all maps were FE), because governments aren't interested in providing activity like this.

But it could be very real, that on the globe with a specific gauge the real world distances of the continets will be different and much more of a larger scale.

And how can maps prove anything? It just outlines of continents, that are real big. We have to get pictures from high above of whole Australia or South America continent to be seen in one picture. Are they around?

I mean, is that a real picture and not photoshopped?

Really, there is not big interest the distances of NorthernHemisphere. FE and RE would differ only beyond the equator. So we have Australia, South Africa and South America here we need to examine.

And there distances could be very messed on RE maps. And we dont have FE maps nowadays(in the past all maps were FE), because governments aren't interested in providing activity like this.

We are saying that the distances are NOT messed up on RE maps because people use them to travel.  Sailors and pilots and land surveyors and cartographers.  It sounds like you think the Southern Hemisphere is an unpopulated empty land that nobody cares about?

And how can maps prove anything? It just outlines of continents, that are real big. We have to get pictures from high above of whole Australia or South America continent to be seen in one picture. Are they around?

As stated earlier in the OP - how distances are measured for transit and travel is extremely important for many people and businesses.  And in the current FE map it does not work.

Berny

  Southern Hemisphere is an unpopulated empty land that nobody cares about?

It's really a clue in here.

Ok, guys I am on this, but work is getting in my way today.

I have lots of things I can choose from. A polar azimuthal projection comes in lots of flavours.

You guys are interested in triangulation and angles and distances.
I will not therefore be opting for the following ...
Lambert projection because it distorts distances.
Sterographic projection because the map will be stretched to equal a round earth between two latitudes and make false readings of the others
Gnomic was very tempting but Berny's southern hemisphere makes this a no go. Otherwise I'd have nailed you with that one. Only works for 80 degrees or so. We need 180 degrees now.
Zenithal equivelent is great for angles and area but will mess up the distances.
Zenithal equal area is great for area and distance but not angles.
Zenithal equidistant is going to be my weapon of choice. Angles and distances work. Area is distorted, as you calculated in another thread, but that is excepted by FE, so that's the one I'm going to use.

Unfortunately work is getting in the way (I have to earn money too, but am working from home today on some flight data). I'll keep plugging away, but maths for a Polar aspect zenithal equidistant map scalings and angle calcs aren't exactly splattered all over the web so I am having to derive much for myself.

PS - Jackel, remember your scale calcs in another thread? If you had used a Zenithal equal-area map like the one linked below, you would have got the exact same numbers, size of earth, continents etc as an RE earth. Check the link below. I'll report back later with some numbers when I make time around work.
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=169#zenithal equal-area

The point I hope of all this, is that maps don't prove either FE or RE. No map is going to be accurate in everyway for both scenarios, hence killing the OPs statement that maps prove earth round. Which they don't. By selecting the right ones, I can make earth any shape I want, and be able to navigate it purely by manipulating the projection I use. Star shaped flat earth anyone?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=163#regular star

maybe its a tetrahedron?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=219#Snyder equal-area tetrahedron
Or shaped like a pair of breasts?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=207#Eisenlohr
Or rectangular with 4 poles?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=212#Guyou
Or square with 4 poles?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=218#Peirce quincuncial
Or shaped like a pill?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=217#Ortelius oval
Or trapezoidal?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=113#trapezoidal

Or shaped like a giant apple?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=162#quasiazimuthal equal-area apple
Or a beautiful heart?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=127#heart
Or a shield?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=133#shield

And depending on what version of each I pick, I can prove, distances, angles and areas to suit. Flat earth today. Earth shaped like a giant boner in the sky tomorrow.

I'm glad this was posted here. If it hadn't been posted, I certainly would've posted it.

Everyone has been navigating using the RE model for as long as there as been a RE model.  If you haven't been going by RET, I'm sure you've noticed yourself getting lost... a lot. 

My point is, if you take a RE map and can successfully nagivate with it, you've just proven RET.  Because there's no possible way that the continents can be set so as to cooridinate with RE maps and allow you to navigate the Earth.

= end of FET, as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless of which projection you take the distance along the line of latitude will always be the same.
Personally I like the star projection.  For me I don't really care about trig and math and rhumba lines or quark.

Yes I have yet to figure out why some people thing the sun is made of cheese.

I don't care about flight times etc etc etc, but the distance

Berny

Ok, guys I am on this, but work is getting in my way today.

I have lots of things I can choose from. A polar azimuthal projection comes in lots of flavours.

You guys are interested in triangulation and angles and distances.
I will not therefore be opting for the following ...
Lambert projection because it distorts distances.
Sterographic projection because the map will be stretched to equal a round earth between two latitudes and make false readings of the others
Gnomic was very tempting but Berny's southern hemisphere makes this a no go. Otherwise I'd have nailed you with that one. Only works for 80 degrees or so. We need 180 degrees now.
Zenithal equivelent is great for angles and area but will mess up the distances.
Zenithal equal area is great for area and distance but not angles.
Zenithal equidistant is going to be my weapon of choice. Angles and distances work. Area is distorted, as you calculated in another thread, but that is excepted by FE, so that's the one I'm going to use.

Unfortunately work is getting in the way (I have to earn money too, but am working from home today on some flight data). I'll keep plugging away, but maths for a Polar aspect zenithal equidistant map scalings and angle calcs aren't exactly splattered all over the web so I am having to derive much for myself.

PS - Jackel, remember your scale calcs in another thread? If you had used a Zenithal equal-area map like the one linked below, you would have got the exact same numbers, size of earth, continents etc as an RE earth. Check the link below. I'll report back later with some numbers when I make time around work.
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=169#zenithal equal-area

The point I hope of all this, is that maps don't prove either FE or RE. No map is going to be accurate in everyway for both scenarios, hence killing the OPs statement that maps prove earth round. Which they don't. By selecting the right ones, I can make earth any shape I want, and be able to navigate it purely by manipulating the projection I use. Star shaped flat earth anyone?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=163#regular star

maybe its a tetrahedron?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=219#Snyder equal-area tetrahedron
Or shaped like a pair of breasts?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=207#Eisenlohr
Or rectangular with 4 poles?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=212#Guyou
Or square with 4 poles?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=218#Peirce quincuncial
Or shaped like a pill?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=217#Ortelius oval
Or trapezoidal?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=113#trapezoidal

Or shaped like a giant apple?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=162#quasiazimuthal equal-area apple
Or a beautiful heart?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=127#heart
Or a shield?
http://www.mapthematics.com/ProjectionsList.php?Projection=133#shield

And depending on what version of each I pick, I can prove, distances, angles and areas to suit. Flat earth today. Earth shaped like a giant boner in the sky tomorrow.

You are telling me that you do not know what model to use lol? Try using the term "flat" first of all, then circle disk. And even a Dome Shape Earth Projection is going to cause severe distortion and will not match up to RE.. And it would be wise of you to consult with your FE buddies what map is the official map. I didn't ask you for guess work, I asked you for your figures. It seems you have a lot of work to do Thork because you don't even have an actual map to go by vs where I do. You are going to have a real fun time with distortions with a circle Flat Earth.

I tell you what.. I suggest you consult the FE FAQ with a circumference of 78,266 miles with a Diameter of 24,900 miles.  And I am going to give you advice here, this will cause far less distortion than a dome equal area map. Equal area does not translate to zero distortion when converting a sphere into a half sphere or dome. In fact it gets worse than if you convert it to a flat circle.

Have fun, and I will see you when you actually can give me coordinates, distance, a map so we can know the distance from Logan Airport to Tokyo JP Airport. I would then like to do an area calc between the two airports by selection a destination in South America to where I Aunt is looking to retire. A triangle this large will be sufficient to measure RE from FE without a problem. And I can even give you coordinates, distance, time, speed, and area. And with my sailing trip at an avg of 7 knots from Japan to Hawaii and then to California is all I need to know why RE is correct

 So you give me the map you will use, coordinates and the distance for this first measurement. We will then check the time as Speed, and then check it with the real world via 3rd party (Airline schedule). After that we will add another location in South America and continue from there.

Cheers and have fun. I will be waiting.