I came across this site almost 2years ago, and while at first i just wanted to come on, post some comments and make some threads which in hindsight were actually really really stupid, possibly quite offensive not in favor for RET at all. after much deliberation on the subject and a slight bit of maturity on my behalf i have realized that the more science progresses the more it can be used to support FET as well as RET and thus have found myself seriously questioning my own belief on what shape our earth is. to sustain a belief in god a strong faith necessary to hold your views and opinions together however to believe RET requires a strong faith in our supposed world leaders, which i think cannot be and shouldn't be in any respect compared to God. following this line of thought all i can come up with is that people are generically good and would not partake in such heinous activities to present the rest of mankind with complete and utter lies but when you look at the whole picture and see the world for what it is and see the people who inhabit it for who they are you see that people are not actually good at all and would be very capable of pulling of the biggest conspiracy we have ever seen. with all this taken into account, i still cannot fathom the information this site has put forward and in a life or death situation would have to agree that the world is a ball and gravity exists and all of the above, even tho in the back of my mind i almost know that i would be adding 2+2 and answering 5. what is it going to take to completely convince people one way or another and hopefully in support of FET? i like to look at this whole argument for and against as a big philosophical exploration into the human condition and have come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what shape the earth it... so why would adherents to FET be trying to tell us otherwise? just as people ask what gain is there for NASA and company. what gain is there for FEers ? there is personal selfish motivations behind every action anyone carries out, so what is there to gain from a FEers point of view? i hope this makes sense to the people who read it and to some extent analyze what i have said. if it doesnt make sense im sorry, i just really made it up as i went along.