Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2010, 01:47:24 PM »
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The FE'ers can't argue it very well as it seems they ignore this thread

No, we are only interested in the easy ones to prove, like shrimp on the moon, bendy light and the moon's harmful effects on people. 
Bendy light easy to prove? Then prove it.
Always check your tackle- Caerphilly school of Health. If I see an innuendo in my post, I'll be sure to whip it out.

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Thork

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2010, 01:57:31 PM »
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The FE'ers can't argue it very well as it seems they ignore this thread

No, we are only interested in the easy ones to prove, like shrimp on the moon, bendy light and the moon's harmful effects on people. 
Bendy light easy to prove? Then prove it.
There is already a thread open, in which Bendy Light Specialist Parsifal, expertly guides the lost to salvation.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2010, 02:00:56 PM »
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The FE'ers can't argue it very well as it seems they ignore this thread

No, we are only interested in the easy ones to prove, like shrimp on the moon, bendy light and the moon's harmful effects on people. 
Bendy light easy to prove? Then prove it.
There is already a thread open, in which Bendy Light Specialist Parsifal, expertly guides the lost to salvation.
Lol. You know that Parsifal is a Devil's Advocate/troll, right?
Always check your tackle- Caerphilly school of Health. If I see an innuendo in my post, I'll be sure to whip it out.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2010, 02:15:03 PM »
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The FE'ers can't argue it very well as it seems they ignore this thread

No, we are only interested in the easy ones to prove, like shrimp on the moon, bendy light and the moon's harmful effects on people. 
Bendy light easy to prove? Then prove it.
There is already a thread open, in which Bendy Light Specialist Parsifal, expertly guides the lost to salvation.
Lol. You know that Parsifal is a Devil's Advocate/troll, right?
How dare you!

I suspect this thread got no answers from the FErs, because the round earthers seemed more concerned with which way Zork's JDAMs flush. The learned academics of FES aren't going to waste time on that, when Ichi is on the verge of completing important moonlight experiments.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2010, 03:41:56 PM »
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The FE'ers can't argue it very well as it seems they ignore this thread

No, we are only interested in the easy ones to prove, like shrimp on the moon, bendy light and the moon's harmful effects on people. 
Bendy light easy to prove? Then prove it.
There is already a thread open, in which Bendy Light Specialist Parsifal, expertly guides the lost to salvation.
Lol. You know that Parsifal is a Devil's Advocate/troll, right?
How dare you!

I suspect this thread got no answers from the FErs, because the round earthers seemed more concerned with which way Zork's JDAMs flush. The learned academics of FES aren't going to waste time on that, when Ichi is on the verge of completing important moonlight experiments.
Your talk doesn't make any sense. Sober up and come back tomorrow.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Thork

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2010, 04:05:00 PM »
*Slowly backs away from thread*

Don't worry, I drop JDAMs down the Toilet daily :P.. LOL


Seriously, You are correct in regards to the OP. :)

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2010, 10:39:30 PM »
Mmmmm. some food for thought there. I still have a few issues with it though.  ;)

First I want to clear up the rifling business. You say we consider rifling a major advancement in accuracy, but then in the very next sentence, you say modern artillery does not use rifling. Then you flip back to saying it increases angular momentum? So is rifling good for keeping things straight, and if so, why don't they use it in modern artillery? Surely that would be a step back? Whilst we are on the subject of artillery ....
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1981STIN...8214395P
Seems steel is as popular as ever. Google 'Bethlehem Steel Corporation' and the word 'artillery'. Been using steel a long time.
Steel for shells, steel for the casings, steel for the shrapnel inside and hardened steel for the pointy bit at the front, to pierce armour.

Whoah there! You can't just say the trade winds are caused by Coriolis.
http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm
No mention of Coriolis to generate wind there. Wind is quite capable of existing without Coriolis.

Bethlehem Steel has been out of business for years. It is now a casino.

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Thork

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2010, 09:01:38 AM »
Mmmmm. some food for thought there. I still have a few issues with it though.  ;)

First I want to clear up the rifling business. You say we consider rifling a major advancement in accuracy, but then in the very next sentence, you say modern artillery does not use rifling. Then you flip back to saying it increases angular momentum? So is rifling good for keeping things straight, and if so, why don't they use it in modern artillery? Surely that would be a step back? Whilst we are on the subject of artillery ....
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1981STIN...8214395P
Seems steel is as popular as ever. Google 'Bethlehem Steel Corporation' and the word 'artillery'. Been using steel a long time.
Steel for shells, steel for the casings, steel for the shrapnel inside and hardened steel for the pointy bit at the front, to pierce armour.

Whoah there! You can't just say the trade winds are caused by Coriolis.
http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm
No mention of Coriolis to generate wind there. Wind is quite capable of existing without Coriolis.

Bethlehem Steel has been out of business for years. It is now a casino.

Yes? So what? It was a reference to the historical suggesting it is not a new thing.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2010, 09:51:51 AM »
Mmmmm. some food for thought there. I still have a few issues with it though.  ;)

First I want to clear up the rifling business. You say we consider rifling a major advancement in accuracy, but then in the very next sentence, you say modern artillery does not use rifling. Then you flip back to saying it increases angular momentum? So is rifling good for keeping things straight, and if so, why don't they use it in modern artillery? Surely that would be a step back? Whilst we are on the subject of artillery ....
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1981STIN...8214395P
Seems steel is as popular as ever. Google 'Bethlehem Steel Corporation' and the word 'artillery'. Been using steel a long time.
Steel for shells, steel for the casings, steel for the shrapnel inside and hardened steel for the pointy bit at the front, to pierce armour.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M829_(munition)#M829A3

Deplete Uranium, Aluminum, and Carbon Fiber.  Probably steel in there as well.
I would point out it is fin stabilized and not rifled.

Why do you not do some research in the matter of rifling and why it came and why now other systems of stabilization are used.
Weapon wise, all sorts of materials are used in the production of shells, warheads, etc.

And again

Whoah there! You can't just say the trade winds are caused by Coriolis.
http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm
No mention of Coriolis to generate wind there. Wind is quite capable of existing without Coriolis.


First statement on that page
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Wind is caused by air pressure flowing from high pressure to low pressure.  Its direction is influenced by the Earth's rotation.

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THE WIND AFFECTS THE EARTH'S ROTATION During the northern hemisphere winter, the stronger westerly winds that build up in the Northern Hemisphere, combined with frictional drag at the Earth's surface, actually produce a very small, but measurable, increase in the speed of rotation of the Earth.

And from our famous resource - Wikipedia - ALL HAIL WIKIPEDIA
[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Flow_around_a_low-pressure_area][/url]
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High pressure systems rotate in a direction such that the Coriolis force will be directed radially inwards, and nearly balanced by the outwardly radial pressure gradient. This direction is clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Low pressure systems rotate in the opposite direction, so that the Coriolis force is directed radially outward and nearly balances an inwardly radial pressure gradient. In each case a slight imbalance between the Coriolis force and the pressure gradient accounts for the radially inward acceleration of the system's circular motion.

Conclusion

Well for rifling and use of steel in shells I have no clue why you came out with that.
As for the weather part - I also have no cluse why you came out with that.

Berny
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2010, 04:01:05 PM »
Berny, why don't you read all the posts and not pick out specific stuff. I went over all of what you asked in previous posts. Rifling, fins, artillery, and why artillery doesn't use rifling anymore.

And believe it or not, Weather is a big part of the Coriolis effect. All I can say is, go back and "lurk moar" as the FE'ers say...but don't lurk in the FAQ, rather my thread because in the ladder I actually go in depth with my reasoning.

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2010, 10:38:32 AM »
you can see corioli's effect also in natural vortices in a lake...

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2010, 07:42:24 PM »
Just a thought, but if the earth was round and flat like a plate and spinning in space with its own gravity, would that not give the same effects as a Coriolis? Any liquid on the surface would be driven round by the same force.

And lets just say that plate was two sided like a coin, would that not make fluids on the opposite side, turn the opposite direction? As for strength this would be increased the further from the centre of coin you go, like going up and down the latitudes. Toroidal shapes would give similar results.

I'm not sure Coriolis proves shape. Merely spinning and a distance from the core or centre of spin.

Good post though. Lots of interesting stuff in there.

Would a spinning flat earth not cause measurable centrifugal force south of the equator?  I think this is why other flat earth theorists won't accept it.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2010, 08:29:09 PM »
Just a thought, but if the earth was round and flat like a plate and spinning in space with its own gravity, would that not give the same effects as a Coriolis? Any liquid on the surface would be driven round by the same force.

And lets just say that plate was two sided like a coin, would that not make fluids on the opposite side, turn the opposite direction? As for strength this would be increased the further from the centre of coin you go, like going up and down the latitudes. Toroidal shapes would give similar results.

I'm not sure Coriolis proves shape. Merely spinning and a distance from the core or centre of spin.

Good post though. Lots of interesting stuff in there.

Yes, the coriolis effect is possible on a flat plate or disk, but if you think of the round earth model, the southern hemisphere is, if I were to arbitrarily assign north as the top, "underneath" the equator, which for round earth marks the boundary between top and bottom.  This is why weather systems there would appear to move opposite those in the northern hemisphere (because any observers there would be upside down relative to my arbitrary top/bottom designations).  In the flat earth models, the southern "hemisphere" (for lack of a better word) is just as much on top of the earth as the northern hemisphere, so there should be no variation in weather system rotation anywhere on flat earth.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2010, 10:01:07 PM »
Just a thought, but if the earth was round and flat like a plate and spinning in space with its own gravity, would that not give the same effects as a Coriolis? Any liquid on the surface would be driven round by the same force.

And lets just say that plate was two sided like a coin, would that not make fluids on the opposite side, turn the opposite direction? As for strength this would be increased the further from the centre of coin you go, like going up and down the latitudes. Toroidal shapes would give similar results.

I'm not sure Coriolis proves shape. Merely spinning and a distance from the core or centre of spin.

Good post though. Lots of interesting stuff in there.

Yes, the coriolis effect is possible on a flat plate or disk, but if you think of the round earth model, the southern hemisphere is, if I were to arbitrarily assign north as the top, "underneath" the equator, which for round earth marks the boundary between top and bottom.  This is why weather systems there would appear to move opposite those in the northern hemisphere (because any observers there would be upside down relative to my arbitrary top/bottom designations).  In the flat earth models, the southern "hemisphere" (for lack of a better word) is just as much on top of the earth as the northern hemisphere, so there should be no variation in weather system rotation anywhere on flat earth.


Its bendy light duh....just kidding. This is a really good point, I'm new to this effect and want to see the rebutal. Playing devils advocate it may have to do with the sun and the stars or the moon. I forget the rules that apply to each one though.

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2010, 01:53:35 AM »
Also, don't forget that the Coriolis effect isn't just limited to weather. It also goes into play with long distance ballistics.


Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2010, 04:56:12 AM »
Just a thought, but if the earth was round and flat like a plate and spinning in space with its own gravity, would that not give the same effects as a Coriolis? Any liquid on the surface would be driven round by the same force.

And lets just say that plate was two sided like a coin, would that not make fluids on the opposite side, turn the opposite direction? As for strength this would be increased the further from the centre of coin you go, like going up and down the latitudes. Toroidal shapes would give similar results.

I'm not sure Coriolis proves shape. Merely spinning and a distance from the core or centre of spin.

Good post though. Lots of interesting stuff in there.

Yes, the coriolis effect is possible on a flat plate or disk, but if you think of the round earth model, the southern hemisphere is, if I were to arbitrarily assign north as the top, "underneath" the equator, which for round earth marks the boundary between top and bottom.  This is why weather systems there would appear to move opposite those in the northern hemisphere (because any observers there would be upside down relative to my arbitrary top/bottom designations).  In the flat earth models, the southern "hemisphere" (for lack of a better word) is just as much on top of the earth as the northern hemisphere, so there should be no variation in weather system rotation anywhere on flat earth.
Please note that AFAIK no model of FET proposes that the FE rotates.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2010, 12:27:36 AM »
also, when thork said that the flat earth could be a flip side,  that makes it impossible for siesmic delays around the earth, and a sun-spotlight that the fe theory says is true, and UA theory, and moons

so a flip-side earth cannot be possible according to fe theory
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2010, 11:23:52 PM »
toliets flush the way they do because of the way they're built nothing to do with hemisphere's. this is nothing but a fucking myth. the holes in the lip of the toilet point towards the direction of which they're built causing them to go in a certain direction.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2010, 02:41:18 AM »
that is true, but i believe the argument is the sinks, not toilets
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2010, 05:18:35 PM »
Definite RE victory. Nice job, folks.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2010, 12:43:37 PM »
The Coriolis effect can be explained by the gravitomagnetic effect of the rotating heavens.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2010, 01:18:59 PM »
The Coriolis effect can be explained by the gravitomagnetic effect of the rotating heavens.

Then go ahead and explain it. In detail.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2010, 03:21:33 AM »
I think this thread should be kept going.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2010, 04:01:47 PM »
The Coriolis effect can be explained by the gravitomagnetic effect of the rotating heavens.

Then go ahead and explain it. In detail.

Please use the search feature.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2010, 07:19:24 PM »
please use the post ability

cannot find, too lazy to lurk moar


your incooperation to post and elaborate implies you do not understand it, or there is none

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2010, 05:00:47 PM »
Just a thought, but if the earth was round and flat like a plate and spinning in space with its own gravity, would that not give the same effects as a Coriolis? Any liquid on the surface would be driven round by the same force.

And lets just say that plate was two sided like a coin, would that not make fluids on the opposite side, turn the opposite direction? As for strength this would be increased the further from the centre of coin you go, like going up and down the latitudes. Toroidal shapes would give similar results.

I'm not sure Coriolis proves shape. Merely spinning and a distance from the core or centre of spin.

Good post though. Lots of interesting stuff in there.
No.
The difference is that the effect would not work in any way like it would in RET.
No matter how you draw a flat earth map, there will be no way to make it work. Try it, find a counterexample and prove me wrong

Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2011, 09:50:28 PM »
I think this thread should be kept going.
Sure, lets keep this going.

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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2011, 01:56:58 PM »
The Coriolis effect can be explained by the gravitomagnetic effect of the rotating heavens.

Then go ahead and explain it. In detail.

Please use the search feature.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2011, 06:18:36 PM »
The Coriolis effect can be explained by the gravitomagnetic effect of the rotating heavens.

Then go ahead and explain it. In detail.

Please use the search feature.

See there's your problem. It has never been explained in detail.
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Re: Coriolis Effect Proves Earth's Rotation
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2011, 02:24:14 PM »
Also, if what Thork said was true about the flip-earth, then all the people/things on the  flip side would be shot into the air and off the earth due to the supposed constant acceleration of the earth.
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