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"Australia doesn't exist" threads
« on: September 12, 2010, 10:58:57 AM »
Why exactly are the threads about Australia not existing being taken seriously, and not being moved or locked?  They are very clearly troll threads.  At the risk of stating the obvious, the non-existence of Australia has absolutely no connection to FET, and does not have any scientific evidence to back it up, or even merit discussion.  It is just as valid a debate topic as a thread entitled "THE EARTH IS A PENIS!" from a one-post noob.  The only difference is that those topics are routinely locked or moved by mods.

But then again, maybe this is what we should expect when a member who does almost nothing but spam in RM is made an FEB.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM »
To be fair, I don't see anyone making threads proclaiming the non-existence of Australia. People are asking questions about other people's beliefs, and in my view that's okay.


To be honest, it's not really fair to expect the mods to over-moderate content and decide what is or isn't valid for discussion. We cut stuff out if we think allowing it will lead to trends and posting habits that damage discussion. We're over-stepping our bounds if we make decisions about what is or isn't a good thread or topic in general.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 11:44:09 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
We're over-stepping our bounds if we make decisions about what is or isn't a good thread or topic in general.

This is true. Mods never deleted the thread about the dairy conspiracy.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2010, 11:44:58 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
To be fair, I don't see anyone making threads proclaiming the non-existence of Australia.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2010, 11:49:08 AM »
Quote from: Crustinator on September 12, 2010, 11:44:09 AM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
We're over-stepping our bounds if we make decisions about what is or isn't a good thread or topic in general.

This is true. Mods never deleted the thread about the dairy conspiracy.


Herp derp, I am Crusty herp derp. Herp derp herp derp. Derp.


How is my herp derp? I picked up a phrase book recently, and I thought it might help. I realise that's a somewhat shallow level of entry into language learning, but no schools or universities in my region offer herp derp classes, so it's the best I could do. As the saying goes, 'herp derp'. Know what I mean?


Quote from: General Disarray on September 12, 2010, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
To be fair, I don't see anyone making threads proclaiming the non-existence of Australia.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0


Believers are now required to make such threads upon becoming Believers.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2010, 11:51:33 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: General Disarray on September 12, 2010, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
To be fair, I don't see anyone making threads proclaiming the non-existence of Australia.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=41491.0


Believers are now required to make such threads upon becoming Believers.

That thread proclaims the non-existence of Australia.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 12:12:21 PM »
Quote from: General Disarray on September 12, 2010, 11:51:33 AM
That thread proclaims the non-existence of Australia.


Okay. Do you feel better now?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 12:15:11 PM »
Not really. It just shows that you're playing favorites, and allowing the discussion of some ridiculous theories but not others. Some consistency is all the OP is asking for.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 03:09:36 PM »
Quote from: General Disarray on September 12, 2010, 12:15:11 PM
Not really. It just shows that you're playing favorites, and allowing the discussion of some ridiculous theories but not others. Some consistency is all the OP is asking for.


I'm not playing favourites at all, and if you're seriously suggesting that I am, you're an idiot. My guess is that like a few people here, you're not an idiot, but you do enjoy making a sport out of being difficult.


The fact is that when you become a Believer, it is required that you state your beliefs in a topic. This is all written in the guidelines. If Anteater does not believe that Australia exists, then it's perfectly natural that he say so in that topic. To say I am playing favourites because I require people to state their beliefs when joining one board, and delete/close stupid spam threads in another board, is frankly boneheaded.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2010, 03:14:20 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
The fact is that when you become a Believer, it is required that you state your beliefs in a topic. This is all written in the guidelines. If Anteater does not believe that Australia exists, then it's perfectly natural that he say so in that topic. To say I am playing favourites because I require people to state their beliefs when joining one board, and delete/close stupid spam threads in another board, is frankly boneheaded.

But you deleted Franklin's thread about the dairy conspiracy.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 03:33:39 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on September 12, 2010, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
The fact is that when you become a Believer, it is required that you state your beliefs in a topic. This is all written in the guidelines. If Anteater does not believe that Australia exists, then it's perfectly natural that he say so in that topic. To say I am playing favourites because I require people to state their beliefs when joining one board, and delete/close stupid spam threads in another board, is frankly boneheaded.

But you deleted Franklin's thread about the dairy conspiracy.


First of all, that's still not the same situation. Secondly, even if we pretend it was Franklin's introductory thread, I made a judgement call. If you genuinely think I was wrong, then I urge you to contact Daniel, Jack, or one of the mods, and plead your case. However, Franklin's thread was a stupid attempt at parody in a forum where that is not appropriate, and you should know that others were of the opinion that he should lose his Believer status because of it.


Nobody here wants absolute consistency or rigidity in the way the rules are applied and enforced, and many of you have gone on record to say as much in the past. It's not really fair to then harangue us when we try and enforce the spirit rather than the letter of the law.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 04:10:23 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
Herp derp, I am Crusty herp derp. Herp derp herp derp. Derp.


How is my herp derp? I picked up a phrase book recently, and I thought it might help. I realise that's a somewhat shallow level of entry into language learning, but no schools or universities in my region offer herp derp classes, so it's the best I could do. As the saying goes, 'herp derp'. Know what I mean?

You are so right Wilmore! TFES really is a hot bed of debate and structured thought. I'm sure there's thousands of newfags reading your post now thinking "maybe one day I'll be able to reason like him". You are an inspiron to us all.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:33:39 PM
First of all, that's still not the same situation. Secondly, even if we pretend it was Franklin's introductory thread, I made a judgement call. If you genuinely think I was wrong, then I urge you to contact Daniel, Jack, or one of the mods, and plead your case. However, Franklin's thread was a stupid attempt at parody in a forum where that is not appropriate, and you should know that others were of the opinion that he should lose his Believer status because of it.

You are right once again.

Also, I stand by the mods for deleting threads on the "Satanist Space Barons", "Did Dinosaurs Exist", "The Harmful Effects of Moonlight" and "Does Australia Exist". All of these are just stupid parodies of FE thinking that detract and diminish the good work that goes on by FE philosophers.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 04:27:05 PM »
I'm glad you agree. My herp derp must be getting better. Perhaps going forward we will interact in a more meaningful and productive way thanks to this breakthrough in communication.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 04:42:01 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:33:39 PM
First of all, that's still not the same situation. Secondly, even if we pretend it was Franklin's introductory thread, I made a judgement call. If you genuinely think I was wrong, then I urge you to contact Daniel, Jack, or one of the mods, and plead your case. However, Franklin's thread was a stupid attempt at parody in a forum where that is not appropriate, and you should know that others were of the opinion that he should lose his Believer status because of it.
Would it be okay if I were to put the dairy conspiracy in with an introduction post, in the FEB section? I've yet to make an introduction post, and I hold those views as close as I believe brother Anteater holds his views.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 04:44:14 PM »
I'm not saying this to be snippy, but did you read my post?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 04:45:59 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
I'm not saying this to be snippy, but did you read my post?
Yes. Now, can you answer my question?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2010, 04:50:25 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on September 12, 2010, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
I'm not saying this to be snippy, but did you read my post?
Yes. Now, can you answer my question?


Sure. The answer is no, because even if it were your introductory post, I would have made the same judgement call. If you disagree with that judgement, feel free to pursue the point with Daniel or anyone else in the administration.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2010, 05:00:17 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on September 12, 2010, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
I'm not saying this to be snippy, but did you read my post?
Yes. Now, can you answer my question?


Sure. The answer is no, because even if it were your introductory post, I would have made the same judgement call. If you disagree with that judgement, feel free to pursue the point with Daniel or anyone else in the administration.

But the theory of Australia not existing, that does pass your judgment of not being a poor troll and obvious joke?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2010, 05:11:11 PM »
I'm not going to repeat myself, because I think I've made my views and opinions pretty clear.


To be honest, I am coming to the view that making the Believer's section a more open and inclusive place is more trouble than it's worth. Perhaps rather than ignoring criticism from all sides for what was a genuine attempt to improve the board, I will admit that it has failed and defer to the views of the other mods and admins.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2010, 05:22:52 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:33:39 PM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on September 12, 2010, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
The fact is that when you become a Believer, it is required that you state your beliefs in a topic. This is all written in the guidelines. If Anteater does not believe that Australia exists, then it's perfectly natural that he say so in that topic. To say I am playing favourites because I require people to state their beliefs when joining one board, and delete/close stupid spam threads in another board, is frankly boneheaded.

But you deleted Franklin's thread about the dairy conspiracy.


First of all, that's still not the same situation. Secondly, even if we pretend it was Franklin's introductory thread, I made a judgement call. If you genuinely think I was wrong, then I urge you to contact Daniel, Jack, or one of the mods, and plead your case. However, Franklin's thread was a stupid attempt at parody in a forum where that is not appropriate, and you should know that others were of the opinion that he should lose his Believer status because of it.


Nobody here wants absolute consistency or rigidity in the way the rules are applied and enforced, and many of you have gone on record to say as much in the past. It's not really fair to then harangue us when we try and enforce the spirit rather than the letter of the law.

So you are seriously saying that a thread that way made pointing out that, "All two dimensional photos of the Earth are in two dimensions" has more content to it than the Dairy Conspiracy?

Or how about the conspiracy to keep the world in poverty to help upkeep the wall guards?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2010, 05:39:42 PM »
Again, it's clear that nobody is happy with the current situation, and that it has been a failed experiment. Expect changes soon.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2010, 06:30:27 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
Again, it's clear that nobody is happy with the current situation, and that it has been a failed experiment. Expect changes soon.

That doesn't answer this Wilmore.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 12, 2010, 05:22:52 PM
So you are seriously saying that a thread that way made pointing out that, "All two dimensional photos of the Earth are in two dimensions" has more content to it than the Dairy Conspiracy?

Or how about the conspiracy to keep the world in poverty to help upkeep the wall guards?

How can you keep Bullhorn's many threads that pretty much turn FEB into a Lounge for believers, and reject Franklin's threads?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM »
For the last time, I made a judgement call. I cannot make it any clearer than that. Again, if you have a problem with it, pursue it with another mod or admin. I stand by that judgement, though once the new guidelines are in place it will no longer be an issue.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2010, 06:41:46 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
For the last time, I made a judgement call. I cannot make it any clearer than that. Again, if you have a problem with it, pursue it with another mod or admin. I stand by that judgement, though once the new guidelines are in place it will no longer be an issue.

It is fine by me if you make a judgment call as long as you are consistent. How are Bullhorn's threads any different?
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2010, 06:53:41 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 12, 2010, 06:41:46 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
For the last time, I made a judgement call. I cannot make it any clearer than that. Again, if you have a problem with it, pursue it with another mod or admin. I stand by that judgement, though once the new guidelines are in place it will no longer be an issue.

It is fine by me if you make a judgment call as long as you are consistent. How are Bullhorn's threads any different?


I believe they were different in terms of sincerity and intent. In any event, the guidelines have been changed in accordance with the views of the other mods, which I have to admit I now agree with. The current setup is simply not working, and is causing a ridiculous amount of acrimony and, frankly, trolling.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2010, 06:58:02 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 06:53:41 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 12, 2010, 06:41:46 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
For the last time, I made a judgement call. I cannot make it any clearer than that. Again, if you have a problem with it, pursue it with another mod or admin. I stand by that judgement, though once the new guidelines are in place it will no longer be an issue.

It is fine by me if you make a judgment call as long as you are consistent. How are Bullhorn's threads any different?


I believe they were different in terms of sincerity and intent. In any event, the guidelines have been changed in accordance with the views of the other mods, which I have to admit I now agree with. The current setup is simply not working, and is causing a ridiculous amount of acrimony and, frankly, trolling.

So you agree Bullhorn's and clovis2's threads are out of place and need to be deleted?

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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2010, 07:00:03 PM »
I didn't say that, and nor do I believe it.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2010, 07:31:25 PM »
When the fisrt people to visit Australia brought back a duck bill platypus everyone thought it was a hoax - they imagined these guys just got a duck and an otter and stuck them together. So you have to be careful about Australia it's a different place all together.
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Re: "Australia doesn't exist" threads
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2010, 11:49:33 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
Again, it's clear that nobody is happy with the current situation, and that it has been a failed experiment. Expect changes soon.

I am happy.  Keep up the good work.
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