The conspiracy

Quote from: 17 November on August 11, 2010, 12:42:05 AM

Quote from: Ricardo on August 08, 2010, 12:40:27 AM

What possible reason could every astronomer, government, space corp, and every other person involved with knowing what shape the earth is lie about it being round?

Almost all of them are deceived on this point and sincerely believe it is round.  They serve the conspiracy, but they are not initiated into it.  Only a very limited number of people are actually initiated.  For your information, that is the way in which any conspiracy worth its salt actually functions.

The method of a conspiracy and the motivation for a conspiracy are different.

First I read this, and thought:
"That sounds quite sound."

Quote from: 17 November on August 11, 2010, 12:42:05 AM

As reguards motivation,

I believe that anti-flat earth doctrine is merely one aspect of a larger conspiracy led by Satan to deceive man in order to destroy him by provoking him in some way to disbelieve God.  The reason is that Satan is envious at the prospect of others spending eternity in the light of God while he himself spends it burning in the fire of God.  Misery loves company.  This demonic conspiracy does make use of multi-generational secret societies in the realm of humans

In this case, anything obvious and easily observable about the creation is suggested to be other than it simply appears or explained in a way which hides the simple logic of its created reality.  In this respect, sphericism is akin to evolutionary theory.  The replacement of Euclidean logic (which depends exclusively upon observale facts) with Baconian reasoning which legitimizes vanity, and any extraneous theorizing is encouraged.  The ultimate purpose of this as far the devil's objectives are concerned is to lead men away from important truths.  Baconian scientific propaganda generally blackens tradition (certain traditions to be more specific) or anything which may put all the various facts in order and logically lead men higher to a search for God.  Much of what passes as modern science is the effect of various occult stratagems based upon demonic doctrines such as the Baconian "scientific" method.  These occult methods ultimately delude and deaden the mind and are hyped as modern science and respectable which plays towards Satan's objective of deceiving men. 

A good litmus test to see if any conspiracy theory is feasible is to compare it's thesis with actual factual trends and patterns.  With that in mind, Arthur Koestler wrote a classic history of modern science appropriately entitled 'The Sleepwalkers' which shreds many of the myths of modern so-called science, and shows how it deadens men's minds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleepwalkers

With reguards to cartography, modern maps are drawn to conceal characteristics such as the Garden of Eden in the far east, or the mountains mentioned by Isaiah (chapter 14) in the far north of which earlier generations were aware.  For example, Gerhard Mercator knew of the arctic mountain and included it in his charts, but it was excluded from later maps and this very real physical mountain which exists much further north than the so-called north pole was not given any mention by Peary, Cook, or the sailors of the USS NAUTILUS. 

Mercator Arctic Chart Depicting Northern Mountains
http://www.helmink.com/Antique_Map_Mercator_North_Pole_2/

Then I read this and I thought:

17 november, you did understand that by splitting up the post and giving the schizophrenia picture intended to show you, that really it is you that fell under a conspiracy - ironically, your description of conspiracy fits perfectly in an outstanders view of religion, especially the creationist-christan one:


Almost all of them are deceived on this point and sincerely believe the creaionist dogma.  They serve the conspiracy, but they are not initiated into it.  Only a very limited number of people are actually initiated (if any by now).  For your information, that is the way in which any conspiracy worth its salt actually functions. As we can see, religions seem to be definitely worth its salt, measured by its impact on societies of the world.

The method of a conspiracy and the motivation for a conspiracy are different. Other than in the case of a round earth, the reason for religious conspiracies is quite obvious: Power and everything affiliated with it.

First of all, hello all; I'm new.

I have to say that this is probably the biggest problem with the FET. I would honestly be interested to hear how the government is making money by lying to the world about what shape the earth is.

First of all, hello all; I'm new.

I have to say that this is probably the biggest problem with the FET. I would honestly be interested to hear how the government is making money by lying to the world about what shape the earth is.

I disagree. I might have trouble understanding some of the FE science but the conspiracy angle for me makes perfect sense.

RET makes you an insignificant speck on a tiny pebble in a massive ocean of much bigger and more important things. It takes god's magical table top kingdom and warps it into a complicated system that only the guy's at the top can explain to you. RET takes the deliberately unexplainable, explains it and in the process creates slaves who have no relationship to the thing that gave them life. Slaves create wealth and power for the slave owners so i guess you could still say it's about money only it's more subtle than that.

I am most definitely not religious, i do not believe in the Creator through faith but because we live in a creation. Evolution theory was a lie, so too dinosaurs/missing links/aliens etc. We are left with the Creator as a result of reasoning, as there's no third choice. Put simply, there are many god removing frauds and i would class RET as a possible addition.

Rowbotham would agree with me up to a point as he too thought RET removed god only i get the feeling he didn't think it was deliberate. I would have been happy to talk to him about why i believe religions are god removing frauds too.

Here's a link to some posts i made regarding the dino scam in case you still believe in giant lizard monsters (post no.97).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83674&page=10



 

Quote from: Anderson Cooper on August 13, 2010, 01:31:42 PM

First of all, hello all; I'm new.

I have to say that this is probably the biggest problem with the FET. I would honestly be interested to hear how the government is making money by lying to the world about what shape the earth is.

I disagree. I might have trouble understanding some of the FE science but the conspiracy angle for me makes perfect sense.

RET makes you an insignificant speck on a tiny pebble in a massive ocean of much bigger and more important things. It takes god's magical table top kingdom and warps it into a complicated system that only the guy's at the top can explain to you. RET takes the deliberately unexplainable, explains it and in the process creates slaves who have no relationship to the thing that gave them life. Slaves create wealth and power for the slave owners so i guess you could still say it's about money only it's more subtle than that.

I am most definitely not religious, i do not believe in the Creator through faith but because we live in a creation. Evolution theory was a lie, so too dinosaurs/missing links/aliens etc. We are left with the Creator as a result of reasoning, as there's no third choice. Put simply, there are many god removing frauds and i would class RET as a possible addition.

Rowbotham would agree with me up to a point as he too thought RET removed god only i get the feeling he didn't think it was deliberate. I would have been happy to talk to him about why i believe religions are god removing frauds too.

Here's a link to some posts i made regarding the dino scam in case you still believe in giant lizard monsters (post no.97).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83674&page=10



 

Are you being serious?

Quote from: Lorddave

Do you know what they are or what those words on the map mean?

The bottom line is that these items on the map are actually holdover characteristics from medieval cartography.  I am saying that these things (such as the northern mountain, Garden of Eden, etc) actually exist, and the reason why most people do not know this is because they have been hidden - eliminated from cartographic charts, modern literature, et cetera. 

The fact that these items were included on some world maps of the 1500's and 1600's, but not so many afterwards is an indication that change was taking place in cartography during that time, and the change obviously involved controversy.  Obviously, the hard core partisans of the older cartographywould be the most likely to consider the change as some sirt of conspiracy, and modern science which deadens peoples' minds would have us to accept unquestioningly the status quo without seriously and objectively putting the views of both sides to a test. 

And you didn't answer my question.  Do you or do you not know what the text on the map says?
If you don't then I fail to see how you can draw any conclusion from it.  For all you know it could say "These islands are unexplored but I'm marking the north pole with a large mountain image so you know where it is".

Also:
Can you show a map where the Garden of Eden is labeled as well as it's location?

How could a conspiracy like this even suceed?!

It can't. I've written pretty extensively on this topic.

Quote from: Anderson Cooper on August 13, 2010, 01:31:42 PM

First of all, hello all; I'm new.

I have to say that this is probably the biggest problem with the FET. I would honestly be interested to hear how the government is making money by lying to the world about what shape the earth is.

I disagree. I might have trouble understanding some of the FE science but the conspiracy angle for me makes perfect sense.

RET makes you an insignificant speck on a tiny pebble in a massive ocean of much bigger and more important things. It takes god's magical table top kingdom and warps it into a complicated system that only the guy's at the top can explain to you. RET takes the deliberately unexplainable, explains it and in the process creates slaves who have no relationship to the thing that gave them life. Slaves create wealth and power for the slave owners so i guess you could still say it's about money only it's more subtle than that.

I am most definitely not religious, i do not believe in the Creator through faith but because we live in a creation. Evolution theory was a lie, so too dinosaurs/missing links/aliens etc. We are left with the Creator as a result of reasoning, as there's no third choice. Put simply, there are many god removing frauds and i would class RET as a possible addition.

Rowbotham would agree with me up to a point as he too thought RET removed god only i get the feeling he didn't think it was deliberate. I would have been happy to talk to him about why i believe religions are god removing frauds too.

Here's a link to some posts i made regarding the dino scam in case you still believe in giant lizard monsters (post no.97).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83674&page=10



 

RET doesn't preach the lack of a God. Many top men of the sciences are agnostics or religious in some way.

In fact, there is no credible branch of modern science that even hints a God doesn't exist. It simply ignores it, because God is not provable or quantifiable in any way, shape or form. But as anyone with half a brain knows, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't know why so many people want to believe humans are special beyond the fact that we are more intelligent than animals. It goes to show how scared of reality they are, and why they will never accept reason and logic. The fact that we are insignificant in an incomprehensibly large Universe has nothing to do with whether a God or Creator exists or not.

RET makes you an insignificant speck on a tiny pebble in a massive ocean of much bigger and more important things.

Really? So if I die and the substance that made me becomes the stuff that helps give birth to a new Star and life on a new planet would make me insignificant? I fail to see the logic of that. To be truly unique and beautiful is to emerge from a system of chaos vs prefabrication like some robot on a assembly line, or some doll. I find beauty in the emergence of pattern, and that represents freedom without servitude. Knowing I am a uniquely emerged property makes me feel more like I am actually worth something far more than what religion could ever offer me. And it doesn't attempt prey on my fears to indoctrinate me through sly mechanics of brainwashing either.

RET makes you an insignificant speck on a tiny pebble in a massive ocean of much bigger and more important things.

Really? So if I die and the substance that made me becomes the stuff that help give birth to a new Star and life on a new planet would make me insignificant? I fail to see the logic of that. To be truly unique and beautiful is to emerge from a system of chaos vs prefabrication like some robot on a assembly line, or some doll. I find beauty in the emergence of pattern, and that represents freedom without servitude. Knowing I am a uniquely emerged property makes me feel more like I am actually worth something far more than what religion could ever offer me. And it doesn't attempt prey on my fears to indoctrinate me through sly mechanics of brainwashing either.

Well, that's how I see it. We're tiny compared to the Universe, but we're huge considering the Universe is, apparently, devoid of any sentience. Life is beautiful because we can appreciate it.

You don't need a God for you to appreciate what we are.

Well, that's how I see it. We're tiny compared to the Universe, but we're huge considering the Universe is, apparently, devoid of any sentience.

I would shy away from saying this considering just how little exploration we have done. It's like saying the Earth is devoid of any other type of ant species when you use a single ant colony as your searth area, which is of course totally out of scale when we might as well be negated to the value of zero in terms of how insignificant our planet is to the universe.

Quote from: Vindictus on September 21, 2010, 10:00:44 PM

Well, that's how I see it. We're tiny compared to the Universe, but we're huge considering the Universe is, apparently, devoid of any sentience.

I would shy away from saying this considering just how little exploration we have done. It's like saying the Earth is devoid of any other type of ant species when you use a single ant colony as your searth area, which is of course totally out of scale when we might as well be negated to the value of zero in terms of how insignificant our planet is to the universe.

That's why I said apparently.

If you take the drake equation with a grain of salt, wikipedia claims it approximates ~2.31 planets in the Milky Way that can contain life. It's almost certain that there is life out there somewhere. But then there's the variables of whether this life can evolve to the level we have, whether they exist in the same time as we do, etc.

Quote from: Lorddave

Do you know what they are or what those words on the map mean?

The bottom line is that these items on the map are actually holdover characteristics from medieval cartography.  I am saying that these things (such as the northern mountain, Garden of Eden, etc) actually exist, and the reason why most people do not know this is because they have been hidden - eliminated from cartographic charts, modern literature, et cetera. 

The fact that these items were included on some world maps of the 1500's and 1600's, but not so many afterwards is an indication that change was taking place in cartography during that time, and the change obviously involved controversy.  Obviously, the hard core partisans of the older cartographywould be the most likely to consider the change as some sirt of conspiracy, and modern science which deadens peoples' minds would have us to accept unquestioningly the status quo without seriously and objectively putting the views of both sides to a test. 

Australia WASNT on those maps though. They hold no relevance what so ever in this day and age, none.

I believe alien life exists, I've seen things in the sky i couldnt explain. The way they move is beyond our technology, the universe is billions of years old. Suppose that there is a planet that had something like Dinosaurs or something and no major extintion happened. That would mean that instead of life re-evolving for 65 million years it would have adavanced and advanced for the whole time.
Humanity got this far in 200,000 years so imagine something with 65 million years extra evolution time...