FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2010, 10:23:09 AM »
I said I don't know what the height of the FE Sun is.

You mean you don't believe the Tikifaq that says it's at 3000 miles?

Seems like you've disproven the Tikifaq for us!

Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2010, 10:23:45 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2010, 10:24:29 AM »
I said I don't know what the height of the FE Sun is.
You mean you don't believe the Tikifaq that says it's at 3000 miles?
How were you able to conclude that from my statement? Please elaborate.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2010, 10:26:47 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?

If those with enough respect to be allowed to edit the FEW

Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2010, 10:28:53 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?

If those with enough respect to be allowed to edit the FEW
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2010, 10:29:06 AM »
How were you able to conclude that from my statement? Please elaborate.


So you do believe the tikifaq?

Please indicate the evidence used to reach this belief.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2010, 10:32:32 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?

If those with enough respect to be allowed to edit the FEW
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/esteemed

How were you able to conclude that from my statement? Please elaborate.


So you do believe the tikifaq?

Please indicate the evidence used to reach this belief.
Please tell me how believing or not believing something is a proof of anything?

Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2010, 10:35:00 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?

If those with enough respect to be allowed to edit the FEW
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/esteemed

How were you able to conclude that from my statement? Please elaborate.


So you do believe the tikifaq?

Please indicate the evidence used to reach this belief.
Please tell me how believing or not believing something is a proof of anything?
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2010, 11:16:33 AM »
Please tell me how believing or not believing something is a proof of anything?

It would be a proof that you believe or don't believe something.

Do you believe the Tikifaq's claim that the sun is 3,000 miles above the earth?

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2010, 11:21:41 AM »
It is. You wanted to prove the truthfulness of this statement:

"If FET is correct, then the height of the Sun is the same as the distance from the Equator to the lines of 45o latitude (North and South) along any meridian."

by using:

"because the FEW and 'esteemed FE members' say so"

as proof.
But, of course, I didn't say that, did I? Referencing the FEW is not appealing to authority, BTW.
Ok, then. What did you say exactly?
I point you to the Search function, again.
Cool. My point stays unshaken. Nice to see you crawled out from the hole you came out from.
I see. You can then point to where I used the phase 'esteemed FE members' that you claim I did, right?

If those with enough respect to be allowed to edit the FEW
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/esteemed

How were you able to conclude that from my statement? Please elaborate.


So you do believe the tikifaq?

Please indicate the evidence used to reach this belief.
Please tell me how believing or not believing something is a proof of anything?
So again, where did I use the phrase 'esteemed FE members' as you claimed?

lrn2synonims.

Please tell me how believing or not believing something is a proof of anything?

It would be a proof that you believe or don't believe something.

Do you believe the Tikifaq's claim that the sun is 3,000 miles above the earth?

Irrelevant.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2010, 11:25:28 AM »
It would be a proof that you believe or don't believe something.

Do you believe the Tikifaq's claim that the sun is 3,000 miles above the earth?

Irrelevant.

If you don't know then why are you posting?

Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2010, 11:33:28 AM »
lrn2synonims.
So I didn't use the phrase. Do try to be more accurate, will you? So again, a reference is not an appeal to authority. I never said anything was true because of 'esteemed FE members'. The argument stands: FEW destroys FET.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2010, 11:48:22 AM »
My point is that there are a lot of alts on these fora and that making an alt is a bannable offense.
You should have something more than coincidental use of same word if you start accusing me having alt.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2010, 11:51:17 AM »
The argument stands: FEW destroys FET.

Not at all.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2010, 04:45:37 PM »
I simply said the method the op was discussing (using isosceles right triangles) is not valid.
Why do you believe that using an isosceles right triangle is the wrong method for calculating the distance to the sun?  Simply saying it's wrong is not helpful in the least.  It help move the discussion forward if you would please explain why it's wrong.

I did not claim I know what the distance between two concentric circles of different latitude is, nor did I proposed a more sophisticated method for calculating the Sun's height.
The distance between lines of latitude is well established (60 nautical miles per degree) so I'm not sure why you would dispute that.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2010, 08:13:19 AM »
I simply said the method the op was discussing (using isosceles right triangles) is not valid.
Why do you believe that using an isosceles right triangle is the wrong method for calculating the distance to the sun?  Simply saying it's wrong is not helpful in the least.  It help move the discussion forward if you would please explain why it's wrong.
See the simple diagram that I had posted.

I did not claim I know what the distance between two concentric circles of different latitude is, nor did I proposed a more sophisticated method for calculating the Sun's height.
The distance between lines of latitude is well established (60 nautical miles per degree) so I'm not sure why you would dispute that.
Do you have any proof for your outlandish claims?

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2010, 08:38:46 AM »
Do you have any proof for your outlandish claims?

Lurk moar.
You don't want to make an enemy of me. I'm very powerful.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2010, 02:57:11 PM »
I simply said the method the op was discussing (using isosceles right triangles) is not valid.
Why do you believe that using an isosceles right triangle is the wrong method for calculating the distance to the sun?  Simply saying it's wrong is not helpful in the least.  It help move the discussion forward if you would please explain why it's wrong.
See the simple diagram that I had posted.
I did.  Perhaps you should have a caption for those of us who are a bit dense.

I did not claim I know what the distance between two concentric circles of different latitude is, nor did I proposed a more sophisticated method for calculating the Sun's height.
The distance between lines of latitude is well established (60 nautical miles per degree) so I'm not sure why you would dispute that.
Do you have any proof for your outlandish claims?
Sure.  Grab a sextant, a tape measure and then take a course in celestial navigation.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2010, 05:12:24 PM »
I simply said the method the op was discussing (using isosceles right triangles) is not valid.
Why do you believe that using an isosceles right triangle is the wrong method for calculating the distance to the sun?  Simply saying it's wrong is not helpful in the least.  It help move the discussion forward if you would please explain why it's wrong.
See the simple diagram that I had posted.
I did.  Perhaps you should have a caption for those of us who are a bit dense.
Hint: In Euclidean geometry, triangles have straight lines as sides. The diagram I had drawn shows that this assumption might not be consistent with reality. Also, it shows the apparent position of the Sun in the continuation of the light ray trajectory's tangent at the point of observation.

I did not claim I know what the distance between two concentric circles of different latitude is, nor did I proposed a more sophisticated method for calculating the Sun's height.
The distance between lines of latitude is well established (60 nautical miles per degree) so I'm not sure why you would dispute that.
Do you have any proof for your outlandish claims?
Sure.  Grab a sextant, a tape measure and then take a course in celestial navigation.
I can't and I don't have time nor means to perform such an experiment. I believe Rowbotham had somewhere referred to the dubiousness of measuring the Earth's meridian.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2010, 06:15:34 PM »
Hint: In Euclidean geometry, triangles have straight lines as sides. The diagram I had drawn shows that this assumption might not be consistent with reality. Also, it shows the apparent position of the Sun in the continuation of the light ray trajectory's tangent at the point of observation.
Hint: It is bendy light all over again. But it is not finally explained in full, much less accompanied with information to make predictions, but just a hint.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2010, 07:16:45 PM »
I did not claim I know what the distance between two concentric circles of different latitude is, nor did I proposed a more sophisticated method for calculating the Sun's height.
The distance between lines of latitude is well established (60 nautical miles per degree) so I'm not sure why you would dispute that.
Do you have any proof for your outlandish claims?
Sure.  Grab a sextant, a tape measure and then take a course in celestial navigation.
I can't and I don't have time nor means to perform such an experiment. I believe Rowbotham had somewhere referred to the dubiousness of measuring the Earth's meridian.
You don't have to. This is a well known fact that has been used by every navigator during the last 400 years, at least. You can rely on them. But if you want to test whether all the navigators of the last centuries have been inept, you will have to at least learn some navigational skills.

But your record is not good. You do not spend hundreds of dollars in equipment, but you do not spend a few dimes either. You have not even made the experiment where you check where the Sun comes out during the Equinox, and that is an experiment that could cost you a dollar for a compass.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2010, 07:25:35 PM »
I can't and I don't have time nor means to perform such an experiment.
Can't or won't?

I believe Rowbotham had somewhere referred to the dubiousness of measuring the Earth's meridian.
Rowbotham seemed fairly dubious himself.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2010, 02:12:03 AM »
Good point. FE'ers don't believe in experiments or tests made by other people, but they also don't do any, so they can never be disproven. If the rest of the people were like them, we'd still live in caves, with no progress at all.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2010, 03:06:13 PM »
Good point. FE'ers don't believe in experiments or tests made by other people, but they also don't do any, so they can never be disproven. If the rest of the people were like them, we'd still live in caves, with no progress at all.
We believe in tests by other people.  We just prefer easily repeatable evidence so that a common man can know the true nature of this infinite plane.
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2010, 03:14:19 PM »
We just prefer easily repeatable evidence so that a common man can know the true nature of this infinite plane.

Please give us these repeatable evidence tests that show the earth is an infinite plane.

Also, not all FEers believe the earth is an infinite plane.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2010, 03:21:41 PM »
We just prefer easily repeatable evidence so that a common man can know the true nature of this infinite plane.

Please give us these repeatable evidence tests that show the earth is an infinite plane.

Also, not all FEers believe the earth is an infinite plane.
Of course they don't, because they will.

In Brief, the easiest test anyone can do to verify the infinite nature of the earth is to measure gravitational pull from high altitudes and again at lower altitudes fairly.
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2010, 03:33:01 PM »
Of course they don't, because they will.

People don't believe something because they will believe it. Does not compute. Stack overflow.

In Brief, the easiest test anyone can do to verify the infinite nature of the earth is to measure gravitational pull from high altitudes and again at lower altitudes fairly.


Wow that sounds really easy. Please tell us where you have performed this experiment, and what equipment you used, and then I'll try to reproduce it.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2010, 03:42:15 PM »
Of course they don't, because they will.

People don't believe something because they will believe it. Does not compute. Stack overflow.

In Brief, the easiest test anyone can do to verify the infinite nature of the earth is to measure gravitational pull from high altitudes and again at lower altitudes fairly.


Wow that sounds really easy. Please tell us where you have performed this experiment, and what equipment you used, and then I'll try to reproduce it.
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Apologies.

It is very easy.  Use an accelerometer and travel to Rock City, Lookout Mountain, TN, USA.  While there you can bask at seeing more of the earth than one would see if the earth was indeed a globe.
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2010, 03:46:03 PM »
Use an accelerometer and travel to Rock City, Lookout Mountain, TN, USA.

This experiment is incomplete.

Please post the equipment you used and the data and results you recorded. Then I'll repeat and see if I produce the same results.

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Re: FE Wiki Critique: The Cosmos/The Sun/Distance to the Sun
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2010, 04:11:00 PM »
Use an accelerometer and travel to Rock City, Lookout Mountain, TN, USA.

This experiment is incomplete.

Please post the equipment you used and the data and results you recorded. Then I'll repeat and see if I produce the same results.
I tell you what, I'll bring the equipment, data, and results to Rock City at a date of your choosing.  We can repeat it then.  I used to know some of the management there, I'll see if I can arrange a private area to perform our experiments.
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.