Flat Earth Map

Quote from: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 09:55:49 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 09:44:12 PM

Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

If they were going to post a theory as "FACT" without actually researching it to substantiate it, I have no sympathy on their money problems lol. Perhaps they should have invested money in research vs posting a website in order to make faith based claims as magical facts.

So maybe they need to take the server down and save some money so they can at least afford to buy a GPS they keep saying is too expensive 

To accept that the earth is flat without even a good idea of what it truly looks like seems more like religious faith than scientific fact to me.

Yep, it's surely faith based considering it's never going to work.. I think the aim was to establish a faith based following out of the use of pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct. There is a lot of evidence that suggests this is all religious based to begin with considering the biblical passages I pointed out earlier. I think they know that the 4 corner version in the bible wouldn't ever be believable. So the whole thing is just reeking of being religious based all together.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:46:28 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 09:44:12 PM

Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

Well in all honesty I wouldn't really blame them unless they are really that into the conspiracy. Although I'd assume the money going to FES T-shirts would at least be put into some experimentation to help back up some of their claims. I understand a domain and server etc. costs money but you can throw a few bucks to the people trying to keep this idea alive

Daniel turns very little profit from the merchandise and the money he does makes goes into upkeep of the site.

But if you'd like to donate we'll be happy to accept it!

I would, but women expect to pay for everything when we go anywhere, and suddenly I'm their favorite person in the world. kinda sucks without a steady income

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on July 27, 2010, 09:59:52 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:31:26 PM

My plan is foiled.

It's a trap!   

Just to put a smile on your face,

I lol'd

  You do care!

People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure of FE, and this explains why they don't have any data Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread 

So:

No map
No Data
Map is not possible
No base to support anything else in the theory
No money
No real research
Faith based pseudoscience wrapped around an Ideological construct
inconsistent
inaccurate
mathematical failure
magical objects
Conspiracy theory support base

What more needs to be said about this entire conceptual failure of a Theory to which can't even be called a theory because it lacks any real evidence and data! This is thus not a theory, but rather a faith based assumption that in my opinion can't even be considered a hypothesis. :/

Cheers!

Quote from: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 10:53:33 PM

People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure, and this explains why they don't have any data Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread 

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

This is what we call denial. I've been verifying this ever since I've began sailing. Hence, you are relying on circular assumptions and conspiracies to give FE magical credibility to which it does not have. And this would also require you to completely ignore this entire thread. I had linked to many science experiments and programs that are relevant to this discussion.. Such as the shadow stick study that is taking place around the world, or links on how you can chart your latitude and longitude by using the sun and have it be accurate according to GPS and a spherical Earth while having it be completely consistent. Not once has RE data on this subject ever been inconsistent.

If you like I can re-post all of it here.. Your assumption that people only believe what they read really shows how weak the FE argument is. And this would require the FE people to even deny any atlas or nautical maps and charts.. I surely hope you wouldn't be dumb enough to sail around the world by basing your assumptions on a FE, that's a good way to get yourself killed, or lost.

So all I see are excuses, assumptions, denial of data, conspiracy theory, and no substance to base any of that on.. That's dishonest discourse, and surely doesn't win you any brownie points.

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The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

This is what we call denial. I've been verifying this ever since I've began sailing. Hence, you are relying on circular assumptions and conspiracies to give FE magical credibility to which it does not have. And this would also require you to completely ignore this entire thread. I had linked to many science experiments and programs that are relevant to this discussion.. Such as the shadow stick study that is taking place around the world, or links on how you can chart your latitude and longitude by using the sun and have it be accurate according to GPS and a spherical Earth while having it be completely consistent. Not once has RE data on this subject ever been inconsistent.

If you like I can re-post all of it here.. Your assumption that people only believe what they read really shows how weak the FE argument is. And this would require the FE people to even deny any atlas or nautical maps and charts.. I surely hope you wouldn't be dumb enough to sail around the world by basing your assumptions on a FE, that's a good way to get yourself killed, or lost.

So all I see are excuses, assumptions, denial of data, conspiracy theory, and no substance to base any of that on.. That's dishonest discourse, and surely doesn't win you any brownie points.

Well, I just state what is obvious - people believe what is told to them most.

And about nautical maps, they have rectangular grid, which is component of FE.
Actually, i dont like this topic. I just wrote it, to show that "Nothing is always absolutely so".

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory.

You mean except for the hundreds of people who have gone in to space? Or all the people who mapped the world? Or all the people who proved RE concepts through experimentation?

Quote from: TheJackel on July 28, 2010, 06:05:25 AM

Quote from: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 10:53:33 PM

People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure, and this explains why they don't have any data Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread 

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

That's just not true. REers regularly experiment to verify their theory. We watch the stars wheel around two poles at the same time. We watch the wanderings of the planets that match the RET predictions. We notice that ships disappear (and reappear) at the horizon as RET predicts. We see clouds illuminated from below at sunrise and sunset. We watch shuttle launches. We see the sun rise and set as RET predicts, both at the right time and the correct size and shape. We see the rising dusk. We watch eclipses. We observe the moons of Jupiter and the rings of Saturn. We watch weather and see that it matches the satellite photographs. We use GPS to see that RET predictions about the size of the Earth is consistently accurate. We go to museums to see Foucault's Pendulum in action. We review high altitude missions by even amateurs that capture photographs of the Earth's curvature as RET predicts. We look at the Internet's web cameras to see that the amount of daylight received in various places all over the world matches RET predictions. Oh, and there's a great deal more too. REers do repeat experiments. REers do review the research of others. REers don't just rely on the publications of others.

Well, I just state what is obvious - people believe what is told to them most.

And about nautical maps, they have rectangular grid, which is component of FE.
Actually, i dont like this topic. I just wrote it, to show that "Nothing is always absolutely so".

Please learn how to read a nautical map before you make baseless arguments. And sorry, they will not function or be accurate in FE format lol. You need to take a trip down to a peer and do some research. Hence, 2D flat maps don't mean a damn thing.. Plotting your course is not according to FE, whoever told you otherwise is a fool. :/

And you do realize that you can figure out the Earth is a sphere by the angle and position of the sun from various points of view correct? And this is also why you can measure the circumference of the Earth by just using the sun.