If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?

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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2010, 06:17:44 AM »
Do tell me where. I don't see two poles in any diagram in the FAQ. Thanks.


Uh, in the FAQ. A link is provided in the 'Geography' section. Unless of course you're trying to make some ridiculous pedantic point. Anyway, the map is linked in the FAQ, so go read it.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2010, 08:19:09 AM »
Do tell me where. I don't see two poles in any diagram in the FAQ. Thanks.


Uh, in the FAQ. A link is provided in the 'Geography' section. Unless of course you're trying to make some ridiculous pedantic point. Anyway, the map is linked in the FAQ, so go read it.
I still don't see two poles in any map. I guess you don't understand what a 'pole' is. I did provide the definition here lately. It's amazing how you use words with such fickleness.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2010, 08:32:24 AM »
Ah, so you are just making some stupid point of pedantry. When you're ready to have an adult discussion, let me know.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2010, 08:35:00 AM »
Ah, so you are just making some stupid point of pedantry. When you're ready to have an adult discussion, let me know.
So you resort to name calling when caught in an error... That's good to know. An adult admits his (or her) error. So despite what you wrote all FET models of the FE have only one geographic pole, right?
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2010, 08:48:23 AM »
So you resort to name calling when caught in an error... That's good to know. An adult admits his (or her) error.


I don't believe I've called you any names, even if I have made judicious use of certain adjectives.


So despite what you wrote all FET models of the FE have only one geographic pole, right?


No, the model I support has two geographic poles. Please read the FAQ.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2010, 09:12:22 AM »
So you resort to name calling when caught in an error... That's good to know. An adult admits his (or her) error.


I don't believe I've called you any names, even if I have made judicious use of certain adjectives.


So despite what you wrote all FET models of the FE have only one geographic pole, right?


No, the model I support has two geographic poles. Please read the FAQ.
So much for your statement about not caring about speculative model, huh? The FAQ doesn't tell which model you support or where the second geographical pole is. Maybe you speculate that it's on the underside of the FE.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2010, 06:11:35 AM »
No, I don't. One geopgraphic pole is in the Arctic, and the other is in Antarctica, as per the map which is linked to in the FAQ.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2010, 08:06:36 AM »
No, I don't. One geopgraphic pole is in the Arctic, and the other is in Antarctica, as per the map which is linked to in the FAQ.

You mean this map? http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/1zyzfxf.png
If so, then could you tell me how we can circumnavigate the earth around the equator? Also it would be nice to know how the sun "moves" with that map to create the day'n'night cycle we have here on earth.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2010, 04:48:15 PM »
The easiest way to determine the earth is not round is to simply view the data.  From there, later one comes to the realization that the most reasonable model in lieu of this is that the earth is flat.

Where is all this DATA people keep talking about?  Flat Earth is an a priori argument, period.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2010, 04:53:27 PM »
The easiest way to determine the earth is not round is to simply view the data.  From there, later one comes to the realization that the most reasonable model in lieu of this is that the earth is flat.

Where is all this DATA people keep talking about?  Flat Earth is an a priori argument, period.

I also have to ask, "Do you guys have another language you use, kind of like the Alien League on Waveryly Place?"  Widdershins and adderwall and whatsahooits, and pungicallies, and doofensmirtz?  What the???? I don't get it...  ::)
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM »
I also have to ask, "Do you guys have another language you use, kind of like the Alien League on Waveryly Place?"  Widdershins and adderwall and whatsahooits, and pungicallies, and doofensmirtz?  What the???? I don't get it...  ::)

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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2010, 09:10:20 PM »
The easiest way to determine the earth is not round is to simply view the data.  From there, later one comes to the realization that the most reasonable model in lieu of this is that the earth is flat.

Where is all this DATA people keep talking about?  Flat Earth is an a priori argument, period.

I also have to ask, "Do you guys have another language you use, kind of like the Alien League on Waveryly Place?"  Widdershins and adderwall and whatsahooits, and pungicallies, and doofensmirtz?  What the???? I don't get it...  ::)
Widdershins is English.


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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2010, 09:33:44 PM »
I apologize old chaps, but what data are you referring to? Perhaps I am simply just not as enlightened as such brilliant gentleman such as yourselves, but i don't suppose you were referring to this data?

http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl

http://www.iris.edu/data/

http://edc2.usgs.gov/geodata/index.php

http://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds11/kb.html

definitely not, as all this supports a spheroidal earth...

what ever could you be referring to?
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2010, 05:05:00 AM »
No, I don't. One geopgraphic pole is in the Arctic, and the other is in Antarctica, as per the map which is linked to in the FAQ.

You mean this map? http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/1zyzfxf.png
If so, then could you tell me how we can circumnavigate the earth around the equator?


The 'equator' is a fiction of erroneous RE geography.


Also it would be nice to know how the sun "moves" with that map to create the day'n'night cycle we have here on earth.


I can't tell you how the sun moves, because I believe that light bends, and thus the apparent movements of the Sun may not be its actual movements. However, I can give you an image which shows the rough distribution of light in such a model (though you should ignore the Sun's movements as depicted in the following image):


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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2010, 06:24:43 AM »
No, I don't. One geopgraphic pole is in the Arctic, and the other is in Antarctica, as per the map which is linked to in the FAQ.

You mean this map? http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/1zyzfxf.png
If so, then could you tell me how we can circumnavigate the earth around the equator?


The 'equator' is a fiction of erroneous RE geography.


Also it would be nice to know how the sun "moves" with that map to create the day'n'night cycle we have here on earth.


I can't tell you how the sun moves, because I believe that light bends, and thus the apparent movements of the Sun may not be its actual movements. However, I can give you an image which shows the rough distribution of light in such a model (though you should ignore the Sun's movements as depicted in the following image):




So I can't reach, let's say japan, from panama by flying west?
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2010, 06:59:31 AM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2010, 07:05:57 AM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?

Because I would havean icewall blocking my way
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2010, 07:09:25 AM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?

Because I would havean icewall blocking my way


What? ???


You've lost me here - there is no ice wall in that model. Also, are you aware that west != left?
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2010, 07:35:31 AM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?

Because I would havean icewall blocking my way


What? ???


You've lost me here - there is no ice wall in that model. Also, are you aware that west != left?

Yes, west is left, when I go "left" from panama I hit the edge of the disc before I ever reach japan
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2010, 07:38:12 AM »
West is a direction which is either defined in terms of geographic north, or if we're talking about a compass, relative to magnetic north. It is not 'left'.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2010, 08:24:32 AM »
!= means "is not equal to".
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2010, 08:29:23 AM »
!= means "is not equal to".

Really? I was confused by that too. I thought =/= was "is not equal to"...

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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2010, 08:35:20 AM »
!= means "is not equal to".

Really? I was confused by that too. I thought =/= was "is not equal to"...

!= is the not equals sign in C and similar programming languages.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2010, 08:41:55 AM »
I wasn't confused by !=, I was merely contradciting him. If I stand in panama west corresponds to left on the map he presented.
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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2010, 08:50:53 AM »
I wasn't confused by !=, I was merely contradciting him. If I stand in panama west corresponds to left on the map he presented.
The trick in that projection is that the parallel wraps around the "top" or "bottom" of the map. So by following around the parallel and ignoring the position of the Sun, the distance traveled, temperatures encountered, and a few other facts, by going west you end up on the far side of the Earth again. One parallel, the Equator, doesn't seems to be able to do that. So he can't explain how the Sun on the Equinoxes gets back for the 'next day'. I think we can all agree that this model of FE is one of the worst, being unable to explain the motion of the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars, the confinement of the atmosphere, and the reason we can't find the edge (This model has no ice wall.).
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2010, 09:23:23 AM »
Which means we are back at sqaure one: There is no map of a FE with two poles.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2010, 12:43:16 PM »
That map makes no sense. During the equinox, the sun is only overhead at the equator, meaning that it must move in a circle.

Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2010, 12:59:56 PM »
That map makes no sense. During the equinox, the sun is only overhead at the equator, meaning that it must move in a circle.
You should note the laughable discontinuity too. The lit area instantaneously jumps from the 'left' side to the 'right' side as the Sun move across from right to left and then suddenly back to the right side. Just how easy it would be to do an experiment to verify this. It's a shame that FEers continue to speculate rather than experiment.
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Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2010, 01:11:38 PM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?

Because I would havean icewall blocking my way


What? ???


You've lost me here - there is no ice wall in that model. Also, are you aware that west != left?

Yes, west is left, when I go "left" from panama I hit the edge of the disc before I ever reach japan

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Circumnavigation

Re: If the 'flat earth' is so well hidden, how did you find out about it?
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2010, 01:35:52 PM »
Of course you can. Why couldn't you?

Because I would havean icewall blocking my way


What? ???


You've lost me here - there is no ice wall in that model. Also, are you aware that west != left?

Yes, west is left, when I go "left" from panama I hit the edge of the disc before I ever reach japan

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Circumnavigation
Please ignore Tom's post. He didn't notice that we're discussing a different model. Thanks.
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